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What? Is that your reading of the proposal?

Richard Dawkins himself would probably argue that these matters should be decided on when you’re older. Yes, religious indoctrination is a terrible thing, so counter it by not having any indoctrination at all, not forcing them to learn concepts they won’t be interested in.

hmm. perhaps the pushy middle class , gotta get the bugger into oxbridge types.

Actually, Dave, the guy in the article I linked to describes exactly how you can do that experiment at home for yourself. Doesn’t matter what you choose to “believe” in. Fascinating stuff. But then, as DaveMWW asked, I’d be very, very interested in your rational, evidence-based explanation as to why the guy is wrong. (The videos purporting to support the “miracle” are very interesting, especially when you check out exactly how much is spilling down the front of the statues. But then I *would* say that, wouldn’t I, I’m just another godless “reality-based” dupe, who’s “making up” “pseudo-scientific bullshit”).

I considered continuing debating this (just to bore you senseless) – we could have examined Hume’s arguments that (in a nutshell) extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to support them.

The phenomenon of mass hysteria clearly played an important role – something which millions of people become subject to every weekend attending football matches, for instance…

But your replies suggest that on this topic at least, it’d be a complete waste of my life.

Ho hum.

nobody’s ranting.

dave’s borderline.

Going up to a rabbi and saying

“Mr Wabbi you are wong.” isn’t even clever. I could do that. Anyone could.

Note to the ranters: Dawkins is not the Pope of Atheism. It is neither organized not a religion.

Get a grip mate, nobody’s ranting. You can’t deny the guy loves publicity and always jumps at the chance to push Atheism (for the record, I’m an Atheist) when ever he can. By default he’s making it look like an organised movement whether he likes it or not…

“The number of athiests with religious kids and athiest children of vicars indicates that.”

Got any proof of that? I’d imagine that it may possibly true of those few parents who heavily indoctrinate their kids with atheism (A kind of push-back against them), but I’d be very surprised if that was the case with parents who just never bothered talking much about religion with their kids.

Anyway, I think the people who shriek about indoctrination are just projecting here. Religions have had a monopoly on indoctrinating children for thousands of years, so it’s a bit hypocritical if religious people moan that atheists are getting in on it all of a sudden.

That said, I agree with previous posters who say it’s making atheism seem a bit too much like a religion or a dogma. For me it’s just a default position that I don’t have to think about. Disestablishing the C of E, total secularisation of the education system, ensuring evolution is properly taught in school and the government stopping pandering to faith groups would be far more effective.

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Must say I’m getting a little bored of Richard Dawkins being a ‘leading light’ amongst Atheists…

I’ve always thought that the concept of an orchid being the end result of millions of years of evolution is far more amazing and beautiful than the rather trite idea of a big guy with a beard magicing it up.

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