The big showdown is tonight


by Sunny
26th June, 2009 at 11:53 am    

If you can make it, don’t forget I’m speaking at City Circle tonight in central London
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The BNP – How should we deal with them?
With: Fiyaz Mughal, Salma Yaqoob, and Sunny Hundal
on: Friday 26th June 2009, 6.45pm – 8.30pm
at: 45 Crawford Place, London W1H 4LP More details here.


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  1. Ravi Naik — on 26th June, 2009 at 12:02 pm  

    It would be cool if you had someone video record the event, and then host it here in the “video heaven” section. Pickled TV.

  2. munir — on 26th June, 2009 at 12:11 pm  

    I go quite frequently to CC events and they are always interesting and stimulating . If you’re also going tonight take a chance to try some delicious Lebanese food from the restaurants on Edgware Road. Mmmmm shawarma

  3. dave bones — on 26th June, 2009 at 12:23 pm  

    I am going to try and make it

  4. Denim Justice — on 26th June, 2009 at 12:47 pm  

    Edgware Road is the tops – don’t forget to sit outside and chug away on some shisha. Do they still do that?

    I’m backing Sunny to win!

  5. Denim Justice — on 26th June, 2009 at 12:52 pm  

    Btw Is New Generation Network still operating?

  6. Richard — on 26th June, 2009 at 12:56 pm  

    Why is this a “big showdown” and why should anyone “back Sunny to win” (or lose come to that)? Isn’t this a discussion among people who agree that the BNP is a danger and needs to be confronted? What are the big differences that makes it necessary for Sunny to pose as the brave warrior?

  7. dashenka — on 26th June, 2009 at 3:28 pm  

    guys, you are really scared of BNP? why?

  8. dashenka — on 26th June, 2009 at 3:35 pm  

    I would also like to see the video of it

  9. Denim Justice — on 26th June, 2009 at 10:11 pm  

    So who won?

  10. Leon — on 26th June, 2009 at 10:45 pm  

    Yeah, report Mr Hundal!

  11. Shatterface — on 26th June, 2009 at 11:28 pm  

    Did you wrestle in jelly?

  12. billericaydicky — on 27th June, 2009 at 10:53 am  

    I had to stand you up I am afraid Sunny as the Galloway bash was much more interesting. There is a full report over on Socialistunity.com. It would be interesting to know what happened at your do though.

  13. Yossarian (The Spittoon) — on 27th June, 2009 at 1:27 pm  

    I also want to know what happened. Having chosen the pub over all other options, please fill us in on the gossip.

  14. billericaydicky — on 27th June, 2009 at 6:48 pm  

    Yossarian, you used to be the bomb aimer, is it really you my friend? I was the pilot when we did those raids on Monte Cassino in 1944.

    What a slow plane that Liberator was. A good job we were escorted by 303 Squadron, the Poles, those guys really hated Germans. Mind you, of course, their friends were on the ground, General Anders and the Free Poles. Jinkwia! Remember Katyn!

  15. Naadir Jeewa — on 27th June, 2009 at 7:30 pm  

    Thought the event was a bit silly. Lots of people talking at cross-purposes with one another. Don’t think many people liked what Sunny said, and there was more than one accusation of borderline racism, though that was more than one. The Respect train crash was brought up, in the context of ethnic politicking, much to Salma’s furious annoyance, though I’m not too sure if was very relevant. My feeling was that Respect wasn’t too different to the other main parties in the use of South Asian patrimonial politics in getting power (though Galloway deserves all the abuse he gets).

    An audience member suggested a shift to liberal citizenship to civic-republican citizenship in all but name, and I think that was what Sunny was hinting at.

    Housing seemed to be a common theme.
    There was much agreement with my Birkbeck SU colleague who said there is a common “British” culture that the whole panel had swallowed, and that was the class structure, and the attitude of talking down to BNP voters, and that there’ll be no progress until major parties reverse Thatcher’s decimation of the social housing stock (he’s a proponent of the Land Tax as a solution).

    Murad Qureshi was rather dismissive of the whole thing, saying that the vote hasn’t changed all that much, and the BNP will use whatever rhetoric is useful to get their way. Fiyaz responded by saying the vote has become more concentrated, and that this is a problem. There was then a stalled discussion on the use of framing by the BNP by Sunny.

    That’s all for now.

  16. Denim Justice — on 27th June, 2009 at 8:59 pm  

    “a shift to liberal citizenship to civic-republican citizenship in all but name”

    What’s the difference between the two?

  17. Denim Justice — on 27th June, 2009 at 9:01 pm  

    Justice found this:

    http://www.soton.ac.uk/citizened/activities/rights_duties_of_citizenship/civicrep.html

    I am all for the civic republican tradition. Screw liberal citizenship, it’s just resulted in racism and selfishness. We aren’t all islands, we have a responsibility to look after each other.

  18. Naadir Jeewa — on 28th June, 2009 at 8:58 am  

    Except civic republicanism hasn’t been particularly successful on the continent. Witness the banlieues and Le Penn in France, the near ideal=type of the civic republican tradition.

  19. Naadir Jeewa — on 28th June, 2009 at 9:04 am  

    I’ll just add that many scholars would throw their weight behind deliberative citizenship now, which aims at mediating across societal groups in order to reach common consensus.

  20. MixTogether — on 29th June, 2009 at 3:47 pm  

    Sunny you hyped it so much, why not write it up?

  21. Ger Francis — on 29th June, 2009 at 3:57 pm  

    Well, I attended and was so taken aback by some of the stuff Sunny was coming out with I wrote my own account:

    http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4301#comment-137864

  22. MixTogether — on 29th June, 2009 at 6:58 pm  

    Thanks for that Ger.

    Will comment on your piece as it sums up proceedings pretty well the way I remember them too.

    Seems like Sunny has bottled giving a writeup!

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