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		<title>By: Manmeet Mehta</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-214913</link>
		<dc:creator>Manmeet Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @soniaafroz: Pickled Politics - a whole year ago! &quot; The burkha should not be banned&quot; http://bit.ly/aOS7dP&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @soniaafroz: Pickled Politics &#8211; a whole year ago! &quot; The burkha should not be banned&quot; <a href="http://bit.ly/aOS7dP" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aOS7dP</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sonia Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-214895</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonia Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Pickled Politics - a whole year ago! &quot; The burkha should not be banned&quot; http://bit.ly/aOS7dP&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Pickled Politics &#8211; a whole year ago! &quot; The burkha should not be banned&quot; <a href="http://bit.ly/aOS7dP" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aOS7dP</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-194156</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had sex with a woman in a burkha. Oh my god it was fabulous</description>
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		<title>By: MrAnonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-194153</link>
		<dc:creator>MrAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or how about enforcing this law- all burqa wearers have to wear a burqa in the colours of the french national flag</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or how about enforcing this law- all burqa wearers have to wear a burqa in the colours of the french national flag</p>
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		<title>By: MrAnonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-194152</link>
		<dc:creator>MrAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i feel that sarkovsy should set rules such that only those who have met the moderate representatives of the french muslim association and pass their checks on how well they know french culture, secularism and the moderate islam practise, then they can be allowed to wear the burqa in public... same for all other less understood  religions. this way they earn their right, and no one can say rights are infringed. as for problem for those who claim women are oppressed into wearing, solution could be to toughen penalties on the oppressors on a case by case basis. set up avenues where women can easily ask for help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i feel that sarkovsy should set rules such that only those who have met the moderate representatives of the french muslim association and pass their checks on how well they know french culture, secularism and the moderate islam practise, then they can be allowed to wear the burqa in public&#8230; same for all other less understood  religions. this way they earn their right, and no one can say rights are infringed. as for problem for those who claim women are oppressed into wearing, solution could be to toughen penalties on the oppressors on a case by case basis. set up avenues where women can easily ask for help.</p>
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		<title>By: MrAnonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-194151</link>
		<dc:creator>MrAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m sure sarkosy is a man of reason, just that he mistakenly left out the fact that some women willingly don the burqa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sure sarkosy is a man of reason, just that he mistakenly left out the fact that some women willingly don the burqa.</p>
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		<title>By: MrAnonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-194150</link>
		<dc:creator>MrAnonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the french just want to ban due to all the negative media coverage of islam in its extreme forms eg... bombings, hate speeches, the ongoing war on terror... they equate the burqa as some sort of deviant wear. also because they want to raise the issue of their sizeable muslim population of immigrants integrating into french society..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the french just want to ban due to all the negative media coverage of islam in its extreme forms eg&#8230; bombings, hate speeches, the ongoing war on terror&#8230; they equate the burqa as some sort of deviant wear. also because they want to raise the issue of their sizeable muslim population of immigrants integrating into french society..</p>
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		<title>By: MiriamBinder</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-192477</link>
		<dc:creator>MiriamBinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ian Bell #s 445 &amp; 446 - You are assuming that women do not elect to wear either the burqa or the niqab for their own personal reasons. Though this may well be the case for some it certainly cannot be a blanket assumption made for all. If the issue of coercion is such a factor, make it clear that those women who do not want to wear the burqa or niqab will be supported in their discarding of the same. Further, the right to choose should also include the right to choose to make oneself subordinate. 

And for your very personal call for the ban ... you can always elect not to speak to a person wearing a burqa or niqab ... you never know ... you may even be doing them a favour ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ian Bell #s 445 &amp; 446 &#8211; You are assuming that women do not elect to wear either the burqa or the niqab for their own personal reasons. Though this may well be the case for some it certainly cannot be a blanket assumption made for all. If the issue of coercion is such a factor, make it clear that those women who do not want to wear the burqa or niqab will be supported in their discarding of the same. Further, the right to choose should also include the right to choose to make oneself subordinate. </p>
<p>And for your very personal call for the ban &#8230; you can always elect not to speak to a person wearing a burqa or niqab &#8230; you never know &#8230; you may even be doing them a favour <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ian bell</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-192473</link>
		<dc:creator>ian bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ban it i like to speak to a person not a set of eyes</description>
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		<title>By: ian bell</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-192472</link>
		<dc:creator>ian bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the uk stands for freedom and democracy , where in the burka and the supression of women is freedom and democracy ?</description>
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		<title>By: A Realist</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-184020</link>
		<dc:creator>A Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is that every issue I find on these blogs is largely full of the same kind of uneducated rabble rousing. The generalisations are so worrying and the hatred and zenophobia is so apparent.

Is a woman who wears a veil out of choice or even by force such a massive world issue - isn&#039;t human trafficking and prostitution which occurs in every single country and culture a bigger deal.

Also just to correct another ignorant misconception a burkha and niqaab (covering of the face) are not the same thing and don&#039;t have the same cultural affiliations.

A veil/headscarf is intended to be modest - nuns in the christian tradition, orthodox jewish women, rastafarian women etc also cover their hair. Hair is considered sensual in many cultures and religions why can&#039;t you people get over it and understand that battling over this stuff is totally ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is that every issue I find on these blogs is largely full of the same kind of uneducated rabble rousing. The generalisations are so worrying and the hatred and zenophobia is so apparent.</p>
<p>Is a woman who wears a veil out of choice or even by force such a massive world issue &#8211; isn&#8217;t human trafficking and prostitution which occurs in every single country and culture a bigger deal.</p>
<p>Also just to correct another ignorant misconception a burkha and niqaab (covering of the face) are not the same thing and don&#8217;t have the same cultural affiliations.</p>
<p>A veil/headscarf is intended to be modest &#8211; nuns in the christian tradition, orthodox jewish women, rastafarian women etc also cover their hair. Hair is considered sensual in many cultures and religions why can&#8217;t you people get over it and understand that battling over this stuff is totally ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Farah</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-181064</link>
		<dc:creator>Farah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have decided I will be wearing a burqa when i get married, there is no pressure. I believe that I would like to keep my beauty between me God and my husband. I also love the idea of looking like a ninja, but thats just an added bonus  x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have decided I will be wearing a burqa when i get married, there is no pressure. I believe that I would like to keep my beauty between me God and my husband. I also love the idea of looking like a ninja, but thats just an added bonus  x</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-179898</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. Just fuck irresponsible welfarism as a &#039;career&#039; choice.</description>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-179896</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay! Fuck the poor!</description>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-179894</link>
		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youâ€™re right. I would withhold or reduce benefits for anyone who either refuses to work or deliberately makes themselves unemployable. That would soon solve the problem of white single mums with litters of dysfunctional kids from different fathers and those irresponsible  immigrant communities such as the Somalis, where despite an 80% unemployment rate have unfeasibly large families at the expense of the tax payer.

Watch this space. Itâ€™s going to happen. Welfare will be reformed. Itâ€™s bankrupting us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youâ€™re right. I would withhold or reduce benefits for anyone who either refuses to work or deliberately makes themselves unemployable. That would soon solve the problem of white single mums with litters of dysfunctional kids from different fathers and those irresponsible  immigrant communities such as the Somalis, where despite an 80% unemployment rate have unfeasibly large families at the expense of the tax payer.</p>
<p>Watch this space. Itâ€™s going to happen. Welfare will be reformed. Itâ€™s bankrupting us.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-179888</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And withhold benefits from burkha wearers. After all, why should I as a taxpayer be forced to pay for people who deliberately make themselves â€˜unemployableâ€™?
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Heh. that would be amusing watching the benefits system try and work out who wears a burkha and who doesn&#039;t! (and just as well, where would our civil liberties be then?) are any of your suggestions Reza possible to implement?  

you come across as impossibly draconian,you sound like you have much in common with a Pakistani Mullah. Content of opinion may be diametrically opposed, but similar ideas of implementation. thankfully here we like our individual freedoms and there is enough of a post-punk desire to resist authoritarianism. phew

Anyway, there are lots of people who some argue make themselves deliberately &#039;unemployable&#039; - like mothers for instance who don&#039;t work. Of course no doubt you would suggest they not be eligible for any state support of course. 

I wonder why people like you choose to come and live in countries where the State functions and there is a collective agreement to pool money into a pot that is there for the welfare of that collective. and not those countries where the State doesn&#039;t function and there is no such state-wide social welfare..like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Afghanistan..and countless others. (that&#039;s why of course people are so dependent on the family cartel for social welfare, that&#039;s as far as the idea of a collective seems to go). 

Or again= to the US of A. the house of unamerican activities will spot the burkha wearers and not give them any benefits!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And withhold benefits from burkha wearers. After all, why should I as a taxpayer be forced to pay for people who deliberately make themselves â€˜unemployableâ€™?
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<p>Heh. that would be amusing watching the benefits system try and work out who wears a burkha and who doesn&#8217;t! (and just as well, where would our civil liberties be then?) are any of your suggestions Reza possible to implement?  </p>
<p>you come across as impossibly draconian,you sound like you have much in common with a Pakistani Mullah. Content of opinion may be diametrically opposed, but similar ideas of implementation. thankfully here we like our individual freedoms and there is enough of a post-punk desire to resist authoritarianism. phew</p>
<p>Anyway, there are lots of people who some argue make themselves deliberately &#8216;unemployable&#8217; &#8211; like mothers for instance who don&#8217;t work. Of course no doubt you would suggest they not be eligible for any state support of course. </p>
<p>I wonder why people like you choose to come and live in countries where the State functions and there is a collective agreement to pool money into a pot that is there for the welfare of that collective. and not those countries where the State doesn&#8217;t function and there is no such state-wide social welfare..like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Afghanistan..and countless others. (that&#8217;s why of course people are so dependent on the family cartel for social welfare, that&#8217;s as far as the idea of a collective seems to go). </p>
<p>Or again= to the US of A. the house of unamerican activities will spot the burkha wearers and not give them any benefits!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 09:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, let&#039;s not ban the burkha. 

But &#039;tolerating&#039; the burkha and niqab is the thin end of the wedge. We&#039;ve seen it before.

First the multiculturalists force us to &#039;tolerate&#039;. Then we must &#039;respect&#039; and ultimately we have to &#039;celebrate&#039;.

And soon, the right to wear a burkha becomes specifically enshrined in our draconian anti-discrimination laws.

Banks, airports and schools will be forced to make specific arrangements to accommodate those people. Shopkeepers and businesses will be prosecuted if they deny access to a burkha wearer.

And I will be forced to employ people wearing this vile and offensive garment.

So donâ€™t ban it. But allow the majority of people in this country, who find the garment offensive, the freedom to be offended by it. Allow them to refuse to employ, burkha wearers or admit them to their premises.

And withhold benefits from burkha wearers. After all, why should I as a taxpayer be forced to pay for people who deliberately make themselves â€˜unemployableâ€™?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, let&#8217;s not ban the burkha. </p>
<p>But &#8216;tolerating&#8217; the burkha and niqab is the thin end of the wedge. We&#8217;ve seen it before.</p>
<p>First the multiculturalists force us to &#8216;tolerate&#8217;. Then we must &#8216;respect&#8217; and ultimately we have to &#8216;celebrate&#8217;.</p>
<p>And soon, the right to wear a burkha becomes specifically enshrined in our draconian anti-discrimination laws.</p>
<p>Banks, airports and schools will be forced to make specific arrangements to accommodate those people. Shopkeepers and businesses will be prosecuted if they deny access to a burkha wearer.</p>
<p>And I will be forced to employ people wearing this vile and offensive garment.</p>
<p>So donâ€™t ban it. But allow the majority of people in this country, who find the garment offensive, the freedom to be offended by it. Allow them to refuse to employ, burkha wearers or admit them to their premises.</p>
<p>And withhold benefits from burkha wearers. After all, why should I as a taxpayer be forced to pay for people who deliberately make themselves â€˜unemployableâ€™?</p>
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		<title>By: samuel  welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuel  welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ban the nasty rag</description>
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		<title>By: Sumayah</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4963#comment-172840</link>
		<dc:creator>Sumayah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Muslim woman, I don&#039;t agree with a jilbab (full outer gown) ban, but I always feel a bit uneasy when confronted with a niqab wearing or burqa clad woman because it&#039;s always so hard to communicate. I know a highly educated Muslim woman who wears niqab and I always feel weird and uneasy after talking to her because I can&#039;t read her facial expressions.

Also, security concerns ARE an issue. Anyone could don a burqa and fool the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Muslim woman, I don&#8217;t agree with a jilbab (full outer gown) ban, but I always feel a bit uneasy when confronted with a niqab wearing or burqa clad woman because it&#8217;s always so hard to communicate. I know a highly educated Muslim woman who wears niqab and I always feel weird and uneasy after talking to her because I can&#8217;t read her facial expressions.</p>
<p>Also, security concerns ARE an issue. Anyone could don a burqa and fool the system.</p>
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		<title>By: freewheeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>freewheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi folks,
Just read this entire blog.

There is little in the way of rational argument, reasoned positioning, or evidence.
There is a lot of abuse,and posturing.

I will not be back, as I left kindergarden 40 years ago, and have no wish to return.
Do not bother with a response, I will not see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi folks,<br />
Just read this entire blog.</p>
<p>There is little in the way of rational argument, reasoned positioning, or evidence.<br />
There is a lot of abuse,and posturing.</p>
<p>I will not be back, as I left kindergarden 40 years ago, and have no wish to return.<br />
Do not bother with a response, I will not see it.</p>
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