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		<title>By: Sergeant Twining</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167467</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergeant Twining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so upset that I typed Sergeant wrong!</description>
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		<title>By: Sregeant Twining</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167466</link>
		<dc:creator>Sregeant Twining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was shoddy of The Times, and quite usually predictable of the Judge, and I think he was well wrong innit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was shoddy of The Times, and quite usually predictable of the Judge, and I think he was well wrong innit.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167232</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting link Marvin. The comments were wonderful.

In general, societies benefit from having &#039;whistleblowers&#039;. This doesn&#039;t mean that everything they say will be right, rather that we need a system that allows people to reveal information &#039;in the public interest&#039; without fear of prosecution/harrassment.

Now, you can argue how this law should be drafted, but the one thing that is clear from this case the the way the Times behaved: there was no public interest in knowing his real identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting link Marvin. The comments were wonderful.</p>
<p>In general, societies benefit from having &#8216;whistleblowers&#8217;. This doesn&#8217;t mean that everything they say will be right, rather that we need a system that allows people to reveal information &#8216;in the public interest&#8217; without fear of prosecution/harrassment.</p>
<p>Now, you can argue how this law should be drafted, but the one thing that is clear from this case the the way the Times behaved: there was no public interest in knowing his real identity.</p>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167226</link>
		<dc:creator>vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=127470    Nightjack get your complaint in first

P Foster would have done well to read this when he was confronted at his door by the boys in blue



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1531307/Student-barred-over-sex-film.html        Patrick Foster Peeping Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&#038;t=127470" rel="nofollow">http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&#038;t=127470</a>    Nightjack get your complaint in first</p>
<p>P Foster would have done well to read this when he was confronted at his door by the boys in blue</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1531307/Student-barred-over-sex-film.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1531307/Student-barred-over-sex-film.html</a>        Patrick Foster Peeping Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167216</link>
		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/17/nightjack-blogging-anonymous-whistleblowing</description>
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167144</link>
		<dc:creator>marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2009/06/i-have-had-quite-a-few-emails-and-comments-about-nightjack-and-the-times-story-revealing-his-identity-so-i-thought-i-would-g.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daniel Finklestein replies&lt;/a&gt;

The comments are worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2009/06/i-have-had-quite-a-few-emails-and-comments-about-nightjack-and-the-times-story-revealing-his-identity-so-i-thought-i-would-g.html" rel="nofollow">Daniel Finklestein replies</a></p>
<p>The comments are worth reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167125</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB it also shows how far up the wire decisions like this must be taken in terms of editors and broader managerial guidelines.

Leon, I didn&#039;t even think of the Murdoch angle yet. He was talking up paid subscriptions for all news websites a while back a.k.a &quot;Google News stole our Headlines&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB it also shows how far up the wire decisions like this must be taken in terms of editors and broader managerial guidelines.</p>
<p>Leon, I didn&#8217;t even think of the Murdoch angle yet. He was talking up paid subscriptions for all news websites a while back a.k.a &#8220;Google News stole our Headlines&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised no one&#039;s torn into Rupert Murdoch over this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised no one&#8217;s torn into Rupert Murdoch over this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bananabrain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167109</link>
		<dc:creator>bananabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all that really goes to show is what lazy, unethical, cynical and ultimately untrustworthy creatures journalists are, even the so-called &quot;proper&quot; journalists. in my experience of dealing with them you&#039;ll be lucky if they&#039;ll even check their spelling, let alone if they&#039;ve got their facts right.

b&#039;shalom

bananabrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all that really goes to show is what lazy, unethical, cynical and ultimately untrustworthy creatures journalists are, even the so-called &#8220;proper&#8221; journalists. in my experience of dealing with them you&#8217;ll be lucky if they&#8217;ll even check their spelling, let alone if they&#8217;ve got their facts right.</p>
<p>b&#8217;shalom</p>
<p>bananabrain</p>
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		<title>By: chairwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Times, or rather its sister, The Sunday Times outed the sex blogger Girl With a One Track Mind, the week after she gave them an interview under her pseudonym with a guarantee that she would remain anonymous.  The next week they &#039;outed&#039; her.

At least three police bloggers have been forced to stop blogging and take their past posts down or be disciplined, and one actually emigrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times, or rather its sister, The Sunday Times outed the sex blogger Girl With a One Track Mind, the week after she gave them an interview under her pseudonym with a guarantee that she would remain anonymous.  The next week they &#8216;outed&#8217; her.</p>
<p>At least three police bloggers have been forced to stop blogging and take their past posts down or be disciplined, and one actually emigrated.</p>
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		<title>By: bananabrain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167103</link>
		<dc:creator>bananabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the cynic in *me* thinks they&#039;re thinking &quot;bugger the bloggers, they showed us up for the slipshod ephemeral hacks we always were, but at least we get paid for it.

b&#039;shalom

bananabrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the cynic in *me* thinks they&#8217;re thinking &#8220;bugger the bloggers, they showed us up for the slipshod ephemeral hacks we always were, but at least we get paid for it.</p>
<p>b&#8217;shalom</p>
<p>bananabrain</p>
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		<title>By: Random Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4855#comment-167098</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes BB, thats exactly right. 

And onward the march to an increasingly regulated internet...

(By the way, this dovetails nicely with restriction of &#039;undesirable&#039; opinion on the Net, and perhaps with a longer-term objective of dumbing down the Net as a knowledge resource in favour of the corporate media model. Anyway, the cynic in me thinks &quot;You lot worry about Islamic Extremism/Iran etc. while these fuckers strip your freedoms...it worked with the Credit Crunch and MP Expenses didn&#039;t it?&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes BB, thats exactly right. </p>
<p>And onward the march to an increasingly regulated internet&#8230;</p>
<p>(By the way, this dovetails nicely with restriction of &#8216;undesirable&#8217; opinion on the Net, and perhaps with a longer-term objective of dumbing down the Net as a knowledge resource in favour of the corporate media model. Anyway, the cynic in me thinks &#8220;You lot worry about Islamic Extremism/Iran etc. while these fuckers strip your freedoms&#8230;it worked with the Credit Crunch and MP Expenses didn&#8217;t it?&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: bananabrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>bananabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hang on, the times did this? are these not the same journalists that are meant to protect the identity of their sources?

but suddenly it&#039;s OK for them to expose bloggers?

i am very disappointed if i&#039;ve understood this correctly.

b&#039;shalom

bananabrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hang on, the times did this? are these not the same journalists that are meant to protect the identity of their sources?</p>
<p>but suddenly it&#8217;s OK for them to expose bloggers?</p>
<p>i am very disappointed if i&#8217;ve understood this correctly.</p>
<p>b&#8217;shalom</p>
<p>bananabrain</p>
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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
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		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few tips to anyone who wants to protect their ID;

1. Setup blogs under email addresses you don&#039;t use for any other reason, stick to free ones like hotmail or gmail, and don&#039;t register it with your real details. 

2. There is software available on the internet, and as far as I know it is legal, and you can use it to mask your IP address. 

I think the security services can still track you down, but your average tabloid journalist, not a chance I think. 

Having said that I don&#039;t really care. I say what I say, and I&#039;ll say it to someones face.

However I do have mixed feelings about this. If someone is breaking the law, then the law has the capablity and the right to track you down. 

However do you deserve privacy as an individual, in say this case, or that case where it was exposed a self styled security expert was posting hateful comments on ummah.com to then sell the story to the papers? We all pretty much supported his outing. We generally don&#039;t support this outing. 

Why? I think the reason is where we draw the line between right and wrong. I think it varies from individual to invidivual, and I don&#039;t feel comfortable having someone legislate on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few tips to anyone who wants to protect their ID;</p>
<p>1. Setup blogs under email addresses you don&#8217;t use for any other reason, stick to free ones like hotmail or gmail, and don&#8217;t register it with your real details. </p>
<p>2. There is software available on the internet, and as far as I know it is legal, and you can use it to mask your IP address. </p>
<p>I think the security services can still track you down, but your average tabloid journalist, not a chance I think. </p>
<p>Having said that I don&#8217;t really care. I say what I say, and I&#8217;ll say it to someones face.</p>
<p>However I do have mixed feelings about this. If someone is breaking the law, then the law has the capablity and the right to track you down. </p>
<p>However do you deserve privacy as an individual, in say this case, or that case where it was exposed a self styled security expert was posting hateful comments on ummah.com to then sell the story to the papers? We all pretty much supported his outing. We generally don&#8217;t support this outing. </p>
<p>Why? I think the reason is where we draw the line between right and wrong. I think it varies from individual to invidivual, and I don&#8217;t feel comfortable having someone legislate on that.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Shatterface has got it about right. If an anonymous blogger is telling outright lies then they deserve to be exposed. However this is just another attempt to silence dissent, which is a free speech issue. I am not at all in favour of a culture where employment law can be used as a tool to silence comment on organisations and that is very, very prevelant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Shatterface has got it about right. If an anonymous blogger is telling outright lies then they deserve to be exposed. However this is just another attempt to silence dissent, which is a free speech issue. I am not at all in favour of a culture where employment law can be used as a tool to silence comment on organisations and that is very, very prevelant.</p>
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		<title>By: A Councillor Writes</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Councillor Writes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Justice Eady does produce some &quot;interesting&quot; libel/privacy judgements. I think this is the third one this year to which my reaction has been WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Justice Eady does produce some &#8220;interesting&#8221; libel/privacy judgements. I think this is the third one this year to which my reaction has been WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: Shatterface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shatterface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outing is fair game where the blogger is spreading untruths, invading someone elses privacy (that is, intruding on their personal life rather than their public life) or behaving in a hypocritical manner. 

Otherwise privacy is a free speech matter: without privacy we censor ourselves out of fear of the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outing is fair game where the blogger is spreading untruths, invading someone elses privacy (that is, intruding on their personal life rather than their public life) or behaving in a hypocritical manner. </p>
<p>Otherwise privacy is a free speech matter: without privacy we censor ourselves out of fear of the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...that said I guess a case can be made that public scrutiny must be suspended if it would curtail serving public interest?

Hmmmmm....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;that said I guess a case can be made that public scrutiny must be suspended if it would curtail serving public interest?</p>
<p>Hmmmmm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm...I&#039;m conflicted about this, while I agree about protecting whistle blowers my view generally is the more public influence the more public scrutiny you deserve. 

Blogs are public and can wield real influence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;I&#8217;m conflicted about this, while I agree about protecting whistle blowers my view generally is the more public influence the more public scrutiny you deserve. </p>
<p>Blogs are public and can wield real influence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Amrit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amrit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaargh! Sorry &#039;bout the double post, my Firefox is behaving very strangely. I think it&#039;s possessed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaargh! Sorry &#8217;bout the double post, my Firefox is behaving very strangely. I think it&#8217;s possessed!</p>
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