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    Questions for the BNP: part 3


    by Jai on 14th June, 2009 at 7:14 pm    

    [This continues Jai's 85 questions that the BNP need to answer, and have yet to (I wonder why)- Rumbold's note]

    Social and legal impact of a BNP government

    34. Exactly how much of Britain’s current GDP, in terms of gross, net, and overall percentage figures, is a result of the non-white British population?

    35. What would be the estimated financial loss to Britain’s GDP upon the withdrawal of all domestic assets by non-white British citizens submitting to “voluntary repatriation” or involved in pre-emptive emigration upon the election of a BNP government?

    36. According to May 2009 figures, exactly what percentage of non-white British citizens are tax-payers and are not receiving government benefits? Figures should be broken down according to suitable groups, eg. British Asian (or British Indian, British Pakistani etc), along with British African, etc.

    37. According to May 2009 figures, exactly what percentage of white/Caucasian British citizens are tax-payers and are not receiving government benefits?

    38. According to May 2009 figures, exactly what is the total percentage of each non-white group in relation to the British population as a whole? Figures should be supplied according to both ethnicity and religious affiliation. Similar data should be supplied in relation to each white/Caucasian group currently residing in the United Kingdom.

    39. How does the BNP propose to deal with severely restricted international travel for recreational or business purposes for British citizens upon the election of a BNP government and the retaliatory measures subsequently implemented by the United States and/or other countries, as per point 21?

    40. Exactly what kind of organised nationwide “re-education programme” would a BNP government initiate in order to bring the views of the British civilian population into line with the BNP’s policies and ideology?

    41. What will be the standard BNP procedure in order to deal with non-white British citizens who refuse voluntary repatriation and do not submit to compulsory repatriation?

    42. Specifically what procedures will a BNP government implement in order to “encourage” non-white British citizens to accept voluntary repatriation? Please provide the maximum level of detail possible.

    43. Exactly what percentage of Britain’s foreign aid budget will be used in order to provide the “generous financial incentive” to encourage the voluntary repatriation of approximately 6 million non-white British citizens?

    44. What will be the total financial amount required in order to provide this “generous financial incentive” for up to 6 million people?

    45. Will Britain’s white/Caucasian population be subject to taxation by a BNP government in order to finance this incentive?

    46. What will be the status of British citizens (both minors and legal adults) who are the children of one white/Caucasian parent and one non-white parent, specifically taking into consideration Nick Griffin’s recent response “I don’t care, drop them all over Africa”?

    47. What will be the status of white/Caucasian British citizens married to non-white British citizens at the time of the election of a BNP government?

    48. What will be the legal status of the marriages detailed in point 47? Will they be declared void/illegal?

    49. Exactly how will a BNP government “discourage” relationships between white/Caucasian British citizens and non-white British citizens?

    50. Exactly how will a BNP government “discourage” British citizens involved in mixed-race relationships from having children?

    51. Exactly what level of governmental monitoring and involvement in the private lives of British citizens does the BNP foresee in order to enforce the policies referenced in points 49 and 50?

    52. Will a BNP government implement forced, mandatory abortions in cases where a white/Caucasian British woman is pregnant and the father of the child is non-white, or in cases where a non-white British woman is pregnant and the father of the child is white/Caucasian?

    53. What legal rights and protections will non-white British citizens not have, in comparison with the white/Caucasian British population? And will non-white British citizens be subject to any special taxation?

    54. What voting rights in local & national British elections will non-white British citizens have, if any?

    [Parts one and two here and here]



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    1. Rumbold — on 14th June, 2009 at 7:17 pm  

      I really do wonder what they are going to do about mixed-race children.

      And what about those who convert to ‘foreign’ religions?

    2. Clairwil — on 14th June, 2009 at 7:26 pm  

      And still not a cheep out of them! Are they trying to hide something or are they really as thick as we all once thought?

    3. persephone — on 14th June, 2009 at 8:00 pm  

      my comments are being denoted as spam? Has a BNP spam filter taken over here??

    4. SickofImmigrants — on 14th June, 2009 at 8:23 pm  

      As free citizens of the UK, I truly hope the BNP tell you immigrants to sod off.

      Who really gives a sh*t about you? I don’t, most white indigenous people are sick to death of foreigners and immigrants and you barbaric ridiculous religion.

      If you all left, I’m sure we’d survive, we have for thousands of years, so don’t fool yourselves!!!!

    5. Rumbold — on 14th June, 2009 at 8:26 pm  

      Sorry Persephone. The spam filter seems to have lost it too. It really seems to like Ravi as well at the moment.

    6. D-Notice — on 14th June, 2009 at 8:49 pm  

      Is sickofimmigrants a satire?

    7. Colin Brown — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:20 pm  

      I have a serious question to ask.

      How many of you who either:>

      (A). Run [PP] or,
      (B). Contribute to the content of [PP] or,
      (C). Agree with the ideology of [PP] - have ever smoked pot over an extended period of time - particulary in your formative years?

    8. Clairwil — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:23 pm  

      @sickofimmigrants,
      Being a white pantheist who can trace their roots in the British Isles back to the 17th Century where exactly do you suggest I sod off to?

      More to the point as a white Briton I’d like to know who died and appointed a moron like you as our spokesperson?

      Why not try answering the questions put to you on not one but three threads of questions based on BNP policy. Is it because you’re thick? Why is it that not one of you can tell us anything about BNP policy?

    9. Clairwil — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:28 pm  

      @Colin Brown,
      I have smoked hash but never over an extended period at any time in my life. It’s a pretty nasty rough smoke for very little pay off. So with that out the way, why are you a member of a party when you can’t answer very simple questions on their policies? Is it because you are thick? Or are you just being evasive?

      By the way can you also tell us how many members of the BNP share Mark Collet’s enthusiasm for grooming underage white girls for sex?

    10. persephone — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:30 pm  

      Rumbold

      ok thks for letting me know. i thought it was a BNP solution to the questions raised ie just delete them as they cannot answer them

    11. chairwoman — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:31 pm  

      “If you all left, I’m sure we’d survive, we have for thousands of years, so don’t fool yourselves!!!!”

      The world was a different place then, so don’t fool yourself.

      Oh, more than one exclamation mark is tacky, just so you know.

    12. Vikrant — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:40 pm  

      (C). Agree with the ideology of [PP] - have ever smoked pot over an extended period of time - particulary in your formative years?

      I’m based in Berkeley, California for this summer. Can’t help, theres soo much pot in the air, that you just get a contact high :P .

      “If you all left, I’m sure we’d survive, we have for thousands of years”

      Whatever about the blood suckered from the empire, which put great in Great Britain!

    13. persephone — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:41 pm  

      “If you all left, I’m sure we’d survive, we have for thousands of years”

      But you keep inviting us over when you have a skills shortage.

    14. Clairwil — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:43 pm  

      @Colin Brown,
      Given your Lee Barnes habitial skunk smoking do you think trying to accuse us of being drug addled is the best approach? If you consult the Bible you’ll find something about motes and beams. Get an adult to read it to you if you’re having trouble.

    15. persephone — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:44 pm  

      [D] Agree with some of the ideology. Liberal useage as to pot (of tea) from formative years to now

    16. Amrit — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:51 pm  

      Non-’indigenous’ heathen that I am, I would just like to take this opportunity to let all you Picklers know that I LOVE YOU GUYS!

      Points 46-50 of especial interest. I think this is my favourite set of Qs so far.

    17. Clairwil — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:55 pm  

      I too would like to join Amrit and praise Jai. Over halfway in and not one of those moronic, bigots can answer a single question. How thick are they? Tee hee.

    18. Shamit — on 14th June, 2009 at 10:38 pm  

      Colin/Sickofimmigrants

      The offer to respond to Jai’s questions on eGov monitor stands - you wanted the debate and we are offering you a chance to debate?

      You want to take it up?

      If you do not we would publish in bold in every bit of dissemination that BNP though offered the opportunity declined to respond. And we would add our opinion to that as to why they did not.

      Don’t worry we would be officially contacting your press office and ask for a official response.

      So what do you think your party would do Colin? If I were a betting man, I could have vouched for your party doing another runner.

      If you do respond to the request for comment we would be forwarding that to the PP editorial team as well. Are you up for the ensuing debate? We are but we doubt you are.

      ********************************************

      Sickofimmigrants -

      Very eloquent - Jai’s first question referred to taking a DNA test and go back 3000 years — are you prepared to do so? If it then establishes that you are not as indigenous as you think you are - would you be willing to leave Britain? Again I am repeating Jai’s question no. 1?

      And there about 84 more? Bit too much — if I were a BNP supporter and came on this blog I would have been very upset too. But that eloquence of yours shows that you are nothing but a racist thug with absolutely no fucking grey matter.

      This is my country too and guess what shithead I am a better representative of it.

      Well, your party had its biggest electoral success — enjoy it as it won’t get any bigger anytime in the near future. But your Chairman knows it — why don’t you? Oh you are a gullible simpleton because of course you believe whatever they tell you. You stupid git.

    19. Colin Brown — on 14th June, 2009 at 10:39 pm  

      Pot abuse, alters the chemistry of the mind. I find some of the wording / phrases used in your questions to the BNP a tad bizarre - unhinged.

      Let my good friend Michael explain.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tPlkE5DkHc

    20. Clairwil — on 14th June, 2009 at 10:47 pm  

      Shamit,
      Don’t be too hard on them. It’s a cult of personality. They’re just knuckledragging thicko fodder to pay the chairman’s bills. Speak to any ex-member. Repressed homosexuality is terrible burden for the the nutzis. I know it is almost incredible to you and I but they really are dazzled by Griffin’s intellect.

    21. Shamit — on 14th June, 2009 at 11:09 pm  

      Clairwill

      ” I know it is almost incredible to you and I but they really are dazzled by Griffin’s intellect.”

      That is scary.

      And Colin’s question about drug use has only one response. Forget smoking pot, these BNP folks must be still doing their LSD cubes - otherwise how could someone come up with their sets of policy except for when hallucinating.

    22. Colin Brown — on 14th June, 2009 at 11:23 pm  

      What if the BNP counter-compile 100 questions for [PP] to answer? Would you view such a proposal as a fair exchange of intellect?

      Naturally like yourselves, we too, could publish the answers and add our own interpretations and scrutiny to them.

    23. Shamit — on 14th June, 2009 at 11:32 pm  

      Oh I would love that — but I don’t speak for PP. I am humble commentator but if you lot are willing to respond to Jai’s questions - I promise I would publish your questions and our answers (where people like Jai, Rumbold and other picklers would have significant contribution) on eGov monitor.

      Are you up for it?

      If so lets do it.

    24. Dave S — on 14th June, 2009 at 11:53 pm  

      Bloody hell, that sounds great, but I’m not holding my breath it’ll happen any time soon. (I’m not a PP contributor, just website visitor.)

    25. Clairwil — on 15th June, 2009 at 12:02 am  

      Colin that sounds a brilliant idea though I would prefer your proposed national debate on race first, however if you’d prefer to answer our questions then ask some in return thats fine with me.

    26. Clairwil — on 15th June, 2009 at 12:07 am  

      However we should all remember Colin’s proposed questions are an attempt to distract us from his failure to answer a single one of ours. Mark my words the sub normal nutzis will expect us to answer theirs first. But when it comes to their turn to answer they’ll vanish because they really are too moronic to understand their own manifesto.

    27. Clairwil — on 15th June, 2009 at 12:29 am  

      Oh can I just appeal to me fellow picklers to go easy on Colin when he comes up with his 100 questions. To give you an example of his problem he donated a substantial sum to the BNP to buy their ‘truth truck’ only they pocketed the difference and hired one instead.

      Poor Colin still thinks they’re his friends and not a Nick Griffin scam. So show a bit of compassion and tread carefully for you tread on his dream of a Britain where his shortcomings are indulged.

    28. Amrit — on 15th June, 2009 at 12:53 am  

      What if the BNP counter-compile 100 questions for [PP] to answer? Would you view such a proposal as a fair exchange of intellect?

      blah blah blah stop victimising us you effniks, or we’ll do it back!

      1) Why should PP answer your Qs? Are we a political party? Resounding no.
      2) Come come, we already know it wouldn’t be a fair exchange of intellect. You’re free to imagine that it would be, though.
      3) How about you answer the questions that have been put to you, in 3 instalments, now?

      I’m liking how the response has been evasion, evasion, evasion. You can forget the swap-shop. Get your Fuhrers if you must; just ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

      (Though Shamit, if push comes to shove, I will be right there with the rest to answer anything that I must!)

      The British Nazi Poppets are proving veritably of less substance than the sweets I named them for. Must try harder.

    29. Questions for the BNP: part 3 — on 15th June, 2009 at 1:40 am  

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    30. Golam Murtaza — on 15th June, 2009 at 4:51 am  

      Ha, this is great! The trolls are really struggling, they seem even more incoherent than usual. Well done everyone! (though Jai especially, of course)

    31. TJ — on 15th June, 2009 at 7:45 am  

      “I don’t care, drop them all over Africa”?”

      Wow, when and where was this?

    32. TJ — on 15th June, 2009 at 7:45 am  

      “I don’t care, drop them all over Africa”?”

      Wow, when and where was this?

    33. platinum786 — on 15th June, 2009 at 8:19 am  

      Excellent questions again Jai. You seem totally dedicated to showing these guys up for the idiots they well and truly are.

      I think we should have a BNP trail Month, see how well Britain does get on without any imports from non-white countries and if all non white people go on strike for a month.

      I’m also quite interested in these financial incentives. What exactly do they propose? In 2001 there were 4.5 million of us. How much are they going to pay us all? What about the property we own?

      Assume for a minute they offer to by out 2 million homes at an average price of £150,000, I can’t get my head around the numbers of zero’s.

    34. persephone — on 15th June, 2009 at 9:26 am  

      There may be more of the non indigenous biological presence in those who consider themselves ‘indigenous’ than they think or that DNA tests shows.

      Think about the numbers of all those who have had had an operation, a baby, organ transplant & numerous other medical conditions/procedures that require blood. Some of that blood would have been ‘non indigenous’.

      An allied question to ask the BNP is: if a family member of theirs were critically ill & the only blood or donor transplant match were ‘non indigenous’ would they refuse it if it meant death/low quality of life for their family member? Presumably in an apartheid Britain it would not be allowed.

    35. Hantsboy — on 15th June, 2009 at 9:51 am  

      It would be interesting to test the DNA of High Caste Indians and see if they too are racially or genetically different from the lower Castes (poor sods)

      Has any research been done on this ?

    36. Jai — on 15th June, 2009 at 10:05 am  

      Thanks again to everyone who has responded positively so far. The list above is actually the first half of the section pertaining to social & legal matters; the second half involving a further 19 questions on this specific area will be published by PP during the next day or two.

      *****************************

      “I don’t care, drop them all over Africa”?”

      Wow, when and where was this?

      Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/5363715/We-have-nothing-to-fear-from-these-British-National-Party-jokers.html

      Quote:

      “What would he do with those he couldn’t send “home” because we don’t know their nationality? It’s the kind of thorny problem real politicians wrestle with, but Griffin looked like his head would explode. Eventually he spluttered: “Drop them out of a plane somewhere over Africa. I don’t really care.” I realised dialogue was futile.”

      Given the BNP’s insistence that “race/ethnicity” and “nationality” are interchangeable and analogous concepts, presumably the paragraph above applies equally to mixed-race individuals and those whose original nationality in the genuine political sense is indeterminate for whatever reason.

    37. Jai — on 15th June, 2009 at 10:11 am  

      Platinum786,

      You might want to check out one of my comments on the previous “Questions” thread. I think you’ll find it particularly interesting, being a military-minded man.

      http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4818#comment-166802

    38. Colin Brown — on 15th June, 2009 at 10:16 am  

      I do not represent, nor speak on behalf of the BNP because I’m an ordinary member (1 year) with no voting rights - as yet. However, I do have a question as a long term Nationalist thinker, that I’d like to put to you guys.

      Wanna hear it?

    39. chairwoman — on 15th June, 2009 at 10:18 am  

      “An allied question to ask the BNP is: if a family member of theirs were critically ill & the only blood or donor transplant match were ‘non indigenous’ would they refuse it if it meant death/low quality of life for their family member? Presumably in an apartheid Britain it would not be allowed.”

      Good question Persephone.

      Jai, think about including this one in your excellent list.

      ” I know it is almost incredible to you and I but they really are dazzled by Griffin’s intellect.”

      Shamit - Astonishing as it may seem, compared to the rank and file, the man’s an intellectual giant.

    40. Jai — on 15th June, 2009 at 10:31 am  

      Chairwoman,

      Jai, think about including this one in your excellent list.

      All 85 questions have already been submitted to PP editors, but I agree that Persephone’s suggestion is also very good, extremely relevant, and another question which should be answered by the BNP. There will actually be a related question involving the subject of medical treatment in the second half of this section, so do keep an eye out for that.

    41. 5cc — on 15th June, 2009 at 10:39 am  

      Wanna hear it?

      I’d rather hear an answer to one - just one - of the questions so far. Number 41 would be favourite. I know you’re only a short term member, but surely you should know something this basic.

    42. Ravi Naik — on 15th June, 2009 at 10:52 am  

      However, I do have a question as a long term Nationalist thinker, that I’d like to put to you guys.
      Wanna hear it?

      Shoot ahead.

    43. Colin Brown — on 15th June, 2009 at 11:07 am  

      I cannot answer Q.41 nor any others that [PP] have compiled. But let me ask you a (what if) question.

      What impact would it have on [PP] or the liberal mindset in general, if the BNP either through new equality legislation, or internal self-moderation accepted (without protest) membership from any ethnic race, colour or creed in the same fashion that Labour currently do?

      If the BNP then focused on immigration numbers, instead of race and identity would [PP] still have the same purpose in life?

      I need not remind anyone here, that the remainder of BNP policies are the most popular of all political parties. Would you then perceive the BNP as lesser, or greater threat?

    44. Leon — on 15th June, 2009 at 11:19 am  

      Can’t see much value in answering any BNP questions about us until they’ve answered all the ones about them. There is a clear public interest in them answering. And a need for the media to be better briefed when it comes to interviewing them.

    45. Ravi Naik — on 15th June, 2009 at 11:21 am  

      I cannot answer Q.41

      Thank you for your honesty. Do you think Chairman Griffin knows the answer, or he is too shy to answer it?

      if the BNP either through new equality legislation, or internal self-moderation accepted (without protest) membership from any ethnic race, colour or creed in the same fashion that Labour currently do? If the BNP then focused on immigration numbers, instead of race and identity would [PP] still have the same purpose in life?

      Yes, there are other issues that PP talks about besides the BNP - in fact, it brings me no joy in talking about your party. However, what you should be asking is: if the BNP accepts people of any ethnic background, then what is the point of your party? They offer absolutely nothing new, except for bringing South African Apartheid to Britain.

    46. Jai — on 15th June, 2009 at 11:24 am  

      Ravi and other commenters are welcome to reply to the attempts at obfuscation by several BNP-affiliated commenters here, including “Colin Brown”; however, please be advised that this clearly involves a calculated effort on their part to derail this thread.

      Comprehensive responses to the 54 questions published here so far (with another 31 pending) are still awaited. Individual BNP members are welcome to unilaterally voice their own thoughts, but ideally all contributions provided in the name of the BNP should be fully authorised and accompanied by a statement confirming that the opinions and/or queries are representative of formal BNP policy. Readers of PP are free to reach their own conclusions about possible reasons for the silence if no such responses from the BNP are forthcoming.

      Be advised that any contributions from the BNP as per the details stipulated in the previous paragraph and which will subsequently be displayed online will be a matter for the public record.

      We await the BNP’s response.

    47. Leon — on 15th June, 2009 at 11:28 am  

      Indeed. As I’ve stated above PP have no reason to answer their derail intended questions as we’re not in the public interest. The BNP are by the fact that they are a political party with elected people.

      This thread and it’s associated campaign are to scrutinise them, to hold them to account, not to waste time over whether some writers smoked dope or something at some point.

    48. platinum786 — on 15th June, 2009 at 11:31 am  

      Colin, I’d rather you the way you are, than a wolf in sheeps clothing. You have to be more specific when you talk about immigration. If your talking about controlling the numbers of immigrants arriving in Britain, well in fact i agree. If your talking about sending all the darkies back, but in a sugar coated manner, forget it.

    49. Ravi Naik — on 15th June, 2009 at 11:43 am  

      I believe the point of these questions is to provide the media the tools for inquiring BNP officials when broadcasting to a large audience - No one should expect that the few BNP supporters commenting here will provide any sort of insight to BNP policy, or speak on behalf of the BNP. And if they say they speak on behalf of the BNP, how can you verify that?

      I think it is useful to interact with BNP supporters, and see what sticks and what doesn’t. But that’s my opinion. I will refrain from responding to BNP supporters on the 85-questions BNP threads, if this is interpreted as derailing these threads.

    50. Colin Brown — on 15th June, 2009 at 12:20 pm  

      RE:> platinum786

      Be specific, OK.

      What if, the BNP modelled it’s approach to immigration on similar lines to the Roy Beck method - (NumbersUSA)?

      Roy Beck: http://tinyurl.com/2shny9

    51. Hantsboy — on 15th June, 2009 at 12:23 pm  

      What many BNP supporters are worried about is being outnumbered by non Europeans in 50 years’ time.
      Now I don’t know whether this will turn out to be true.
      Powell’s estimate of the minority population by the end of last century was pretty accurate and he was ridiculed for saying it.

      The British were never numerous enough to inflict the same fate on the sub-continent. And when their time was up folded their tents and went away.

    52. Shamit — on 15th June, 2009 at 12:53 pm  

      Jai/Rumbold and Leon

      Could you please all check your emails and get back to me soonish?

      Thanks
      ******************************************
      Colin

      Immigration as a debate is welcome provided one understands some of the basic economic realities of today’s world. As Platinum says we agree that we should not have an open door policy and definitely not one based on race. Why?

      No chants of British Jobs for British Workers would save a single job because jobs that can be done cheaply and with equal or better quality somewhere else would go there. Therefore, it becomes incumbent on the Government and the civil society to ensure our citizens have the right skills to move up the value chain.

      The problem is due to the lack of discipline and aspiration mostly due to home environments many of our children are being left behind. And in turn creating a generation of NEETs.

      And, from your perspective, this problem is not very evident in the Asian community or the Chinese community - are they?

      Aside from blaming the immigrants, what policies do the BNP have to bridge this gap between our society?

      And how would a BNP Government bring in quality academics from around the world to teach at our universities?

      Finally, also if the BNP comes into power, then the quality of our University system would go down due to the lack of revenues from international students?

      Add these three to the list of 85 Jai has already produced.

    53. Colin Brown — on 15th June, 2009 at 1:29 pm  

      RE: “And how would a BNP Government bring in quality academics from around the world to teach at our universities?”

      I guess we’d start by searching for those who have been displaced by Globalism. What? Globalism isn’t the problem! I disagree.

      This is globalism: http://tinyurl.com/mhsh4a

      Don’t forget, Britain was built by the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish - however awkwardly that historical fact sits with some of you.

      The people of the UK exported their skills around the world showing many countries how build bridges, viaducts, sewage plants (suffice to say, the list goes on).

      I therefore question, why the ’student’ has to now educate the teacher? Do explain.

    54. chairwoman — on 15th June, 2009 at 2:05 pm  

      What do you all make of this?

      I have been trying to read the BNP Manifesto since yesterday evening, but every time I log onto their site, Firefox crashes.

      You will notice it’s not crashing now.

      Is their website Aryan specific?

    55. Colin Brown — on 15th June, 2009 at 2:23 pm  

      RE: “Is their website Aryan specific?”

      No. But I heard a rumour that Simon Bennett designed the site with a barrage of anti Marxist defences. Perhaps that was the problem you ran into?

    56. chavscum — on 15th June, 2009 at 2:27 pm  

      Meanwhile, the Tories are laughing their heads off as Labour have just polled their lowest votes since their inception, the LDs are neither left or right and have been chucked out of the English counties and what remains of the Left are bogged down with their obsession with the BNP. You are just digging a deeper and deeper whole for yourself as you refuse to acknowledge that voters do not want any more mass immigration.

      Come 2010, the Tories will be voted in and they will control around 3/4s of local Govt; an unprecedented defeat for the Left. Labour is hated for what they have done to the country and their lies and spin. Your best hope is the Greens, but how long before the little old ladies doing the spadework realise the environmental movement has been hijacked by the nasty left? You’ll be left with Bob Crow and George Galloway.

    57. Dave S — on 15th June, 2009 at 3:00 pm  

      Shamit @ 51:

      The problem is due to the lack of discipline and aspiration mostly due to home environments many of our children are being left behind. And in turn creating a generation of NEETs.

      What is actually wrong with not being in education, employment or training?

      Heaven forbid that anybody (especially the young) actually take some time out to doss and just enjoy life for a while!

      You never know - given some idle time away from the pressure to “just do something - anything”, a few of them might even figure out what they want to do with their lives, and take steps to realise their dreams.

      But time to think and be idle is a dangerous weapon in the hands of the masses. We couldn’t possibly allow millions of people to sit around all day, dreaming up ways the world could be a better place, or getting together to organise and change things. We certainly couldn’t allow communities the means or the time to become self-sufficient, and able to reject the entire wet dream of industrial capitalists the world over.

      No no, they need to be forced off the land, conditioned to want to buy all kinds of crap, in a never-ending cycle of futility, in order that they’ll take employment doing jobs they hate, and making profits for those who themselves, are also too lazy to work (just smart enough to figure out ways of exploiting and creaming off of others).

      For those who don’t buy into the bullshit - and contrary to expectations of the puritan work ethic - actually don’t want to work (I know, it sounds insane doesn’t it!), then there are the many sticks of the system to beat them into shape with. The cult of work will stop at nothing in it’s assault on those human beings who reject it’s slavish doctrines. Guilt, punishment, humiliation, attacks on self-worth - it’s all there in the arsenal of the DWP.

      So I ask you again: What is actually wrong with not being in education, employment or training?

      I’ll tell you what is wrong with it.

      Anybody not in education, employment or training has got time on their hands, and plenty of it.

      People with time on their hands are a very, VERY dangerous and subversive group, as far as the state, the economy, capitalists and bureaucratic scumbags are concerned.

      No, the only problem with “NEETs” as they currently stand, is that thanks to years of failed brainwashing by this crappy, productivist, exploitative “society”, many of them are too deflated and disempowered to just get on and create the lives they want to live, off their own backs.

      I can’t say I blame them for sitting there and watching TV all day. They’ve had all their creativity, initiative and autonomy systematically destroyed by a system that wants them to keep their heads down and be good little worker-consumers.

      These “NEETs” did little more than fall through the cracks in the system, and having been told repeatedly the lie that there are no other options available for their lives, accepted their fates and consigned themselves to nothingness.

      So you know what, maybe we should just leave them the fuck alone?

      Instead of pressurising people into lives they clearly don’t want to lead, or pompously belittling their (eminently sensible and predictable) reaction against the drudgery of wage-slavery under modern consumer capitalism, let’s stop coming up with patronising acronyms to describe those who do not subscribe to the empty promises of betterment through a life of hard labour, and do not wish to participate in the vacuuous meritocracy of someone else’s creation.

      Maybe if capitalists, bureaucrats and puritans would cease their self-serving assault on non-conformity, those “NEETs” might be freed up to find their own paths through life?

      The problem is not “due to the lack of discipline and aspiration” - it is due to the pursuit of profit and a docile, dependent, powerless people.

      Many of the greatest creative minds throughout the ages have been those who took the time to sit back, dream, and just let their imaginations wander.

      What more could anybody actually need in life than land to produce food, a roof over their heads, a good community of friends, fun, freedom and autonomy? Absolutely nothing.

      Abolish the work-ethic bullcrap, stop trying to sell everything to everybody, and allow people the space to mould their own lives and communities around self-sufficiency and the pursuit of happiness.

      Don’t do something about it - do NOTHING! Stop meddling, and just see what happens! Empower people to make their own choices in life.

      The added bonus is that environmental meltdown can be avoided in the process too.

    58. cjcjc — on 15th June, 2009 at 4:18 pm  

      Many of the greatest creative minds throughout the ages have been those who took the time to sit back, dream, and just let their imaginations wander.

      I’m sure that’s what those NEETS are up to…budding Picassos all of them.

      Well they can dream on someone else’s money…

      forced off the land ?

      Great - let’s all go back to subsistance farming.

    59. Jai — on 15th June, 2009 at 4:52 pm  

      Chairwoman,

      What do you all make of this?

      I have been trying to read the BNP Manifesto since yesterday evening, but every time I log onto their site, Firefox crashes.

      You can download their manifesto in full from the BBC’s website, here:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/BNP_uk_manifesto.pdf

    60. chairwoman — on 15th June, 2009 at 4:56 pm  

      Thanks Jai :)

    61. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:12 pm  

      Question 44 is THE killer.

      ‘44. What will be the total financial amount required in order to provide this “generous financial incentive” for up to 6 million people?’

      ‘Question 44′ is the BNPs ‘Lothian Question’.

    62. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:13 pm  

      44a. What will the BNP do to the remaining non-whites when the money runs out?

    63. Ravi Naik — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:17 pm  

      Answer to 44 is: £50,000 - not sure if it is per individual or per family unit.

    64. Jai — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:23 pm  

      44 refers to the TOTAL financial amount which will be required, ie. for all 6 million people, not just per individual or per family unit.

    65. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:25 pm  

      That then comes out at over £75 billions if its per family and £300 billions if per individual.

      It does not of course include the cost of compulsory purchase of all their assets eg houses. That would be 1 million properties suddenly released on to the open market. The knock on effect will be far more severe than the credit crunch we’ve have just seen.

    66. Ravi Naik — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:28 pm  

      That then comes out at over £75 billions if its per family and £300 billions if per individual.

      Did you take into account all non-whites or just immigrants?

    67. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:33 pm  

      Now how much will the BNP-defined ‘indigenous’ houseowner lose in the value of their homes?

      Interesting perspective, given that in the 70s people feared losing value of their property because of a black or asian family moving next door. Turns it around a little.

    68. Imran Khan — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:34 pm  

      If you are paying people to leave then what about their assets?

      What about the drain of money out of the country?

      Idi Amin tried this and now Uganda is begging the Asians to come back!

      The BNP is also making an assumption that Africa, Asia etc and also ethnic businesses abroad will continue to buy British but they may boycott.

      Also why would communities who are white buy from a BNP led country?

      The pound would collapse long before you got the blecks and brawnies out of the country.

      The reason South Africa survived through Apartheid was due to support from various governments worldwide but those days are gone and it may not be so easy anymore.

      This also doesn’t take into account the fact that White indigenous people may leave in disgust which would affect the viability of essential services.

    69. Leon — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:35 pm  

      ‘44. What will be the total financial amount required in order to provide this “generous financial incentive” for up to 6 million people?’

      ‘Question 44′ is the BNPs ‘Lothian Question’.

      I like that, the BNPs West Lothian Question…although the one about how the NHS will be affected by a serious % of it’s staff suddenly leaving is up there also…

    70. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:35 pm  

      ‘Did you take into account all non-whites or just immigrants?’

      I presumed the 6 million figure included all those the BNP wish to see removed. Not sure whether that includes both categories.

    71. Colin Brown — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:37 pm  

      Q.44?

      Everyone currently settled in Britain should be very concerned about our unregulated immigration that the Labour party are very keen to promote.

      If the BNP were in office, they claim that they would slam the immigration door shut. Now, like it or not, that commonsense approach has far reaching appeal to voters. This is now the HOME to 6 million non-Brits. They too, want to live a quality life - not an overcrowded one.

      I Therefor estimate that the voluntary repatriation scheme would NOT be widely taken up because proper immigration controls would be in place. If you think that’s somehow a ‘very racist attitude’ please take a look at the present effect that unregulated immigration is having upon the Black community in America.

      Link below.

      http://tinyurl.com/n48rz4

    72. Imran Khan — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:40 pm  

      Also what about sports and the impact that would have on the UK?

      Would the UK be allowed to participate in events?

      Would the Premier League be as appealing if only indigenous people were allowed to take part?

      What about foreign owned businesses? Harrods, Chelsea, Investment Banks etc. Would they continue to operate here?

      With a run on the pound would foreign multinationals want to set-up here and who would run these companies as dem rotten foreigners are not allowed?

      Also what if say Scotland and Wales didn’t want to be party to the plan? Do they have an opt-out as they have their own Parliaments?

    73. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:45 pm  

      Thanks for the correction Leon:

      ‘BNPs West Lothian Question’

      I think we are beginning to see our top 5 list, here’s mine:

      1. How much will it cost us to repatriate?
      2. What will happen to our house prices?
      3. What will happen to our NHS?
      4. Who will we trade with?
      5. Where will we be able to holiday?

      I am beginning to see the value of think tanks.

      Boys and girls, if you have contact with them then lets get them to join us and start costing out the BNP manifesto.

      Shamit, is there anything you can do on this?

      They want a debate, lets ******* have it!

    74. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:47 pm  

      Imran,

      ‘Also what if say Scotland and Wales didn’t want to be party to the plan? Do they have an opt-out as they have their own Parliaments?’

      It will accelerate the break up of the union, Scotland will go independent within 5 years.

      [Add to my list above:

      5a. Who will we play with? ]

    75. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 5:54 pm  

      Leon, Jai et al,

      Whenever we refer to the BNP’s economic strategy we should use the term ‘Question 44′ as shorthand.

    76. Imran Khan — on 15th June, 2009 at 6:18 pm  

      Refresh - “It will accelerate the break up of the union, Scotland will go independent within 5 years.”

      But that means hardly any oil revenue to pay for repatriation then!!

      So where does the money come from if Scotland isn’t party to this?

      Also that then brings the added pressure of the break up of the union to pay for as well as the break up of the armed forces.

      So it then is no longer a question of kicking people out with their 50k.

      Also would Scots then return home because they don’t support the BNP measures?

    77. MaidMarian — on 15th June, 2009 at 6:22 pm  

      Colin Brown (42) - ‘I need not remind anyone here, that the remainder of BNP policies are the most popular of all political parties. Would you then perceive the BNP as lesser, or greater threat?’

      I’m not altogether sure what evidence you are drawing on with that rather sweeping assertion - do you have anything to back that up? The point being made here and elsewhere is essentially that it is easy to be popular when you are throwing other people’s money (i.e. my money) around on what could charitably be called a pig-in-a-poke of a manifesto.

      What the BNP’s policies appear to be are more or less what used to be called tax and spend. I would suggest that for 30-plus years election results have suggested strongly that a plurality wants is, essentially, Thatcher style cuts. I don’t really see the BNP’s grandiose spending chiming with election results (as opposed to talkboard hyperbole).

      Sure, Immigration is a gripe - I don’t see anyone questioning that, and it ill behoves you to put words into other people’s mouths. The problem comes that the BNP take the view that immigrant=bad. You yourself may well take that view, I’m not here to tell you what to think.

      As ever though, what is missed in the heat of a talkboard is the real-world sophistry that makes immigration a gripe issue rather than anything else. The BNP fall into the trap that pressure groups like MigrationWatch fall into. ‘Immigrant’ is not a single category, however much the BNP may want it to be.

      The simple belief that an asylum piss-taker is on the same footing in the public mind as (say) a skilled immigrant worker is fanciful. The idea that a student visa overstayer is on the same footing as the immigrant nurse that looks after my elderly relatives is offensive.

      The BNP could, of course try to come up with a deserving/undeserving dichotomy, but being identity obsessed it doesn’t look to anything other than the simple messages, designed to get media attention.

      I would not perceive the BNP as a real threat because the public, when it comes to the crunch are more sophisticated and better than the BNP.

    78. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 6:24 pm  

      Imran, if I was a Scot living under a BNP regime I would demand my £50k before I crossed the border. Why would I want to be deprived of such bounty?

    79. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 6:26 pm  

      On the question of how generous is generous - £50k is pitiful. £200k at a minimum please.

    80. Vikrant — on 15th June, 2009 at 7:01 pm  

      @Refresh: £200K per immigrant would cost £1.2 trillion to repatrite all the wogs. Thats half our GDP.

      At any rate, why dont BNP put their money where their mouth is and start paying people like me who’ve already immigrate elsewhere haha :) .

    81. Dave S — on 15th June, 2009 at 7:10 pm  

      cjcjc @ 55:

      I’m sure that’s what those NEETS are up to…budding Picassos all of them. Well they can dream on someone else’s money…

      My point is that for their entire lives, they have been shoe-horned into someone else’s system - a system which they evidently feel is not right for them.

      But instead of someone else’s system not being right for them and them being able to choose their own way of life, the damage has already been done, because other avenues - other ways of life - have been deliberately closed down by the industrial capitalists in order that their way of life is more-or-less the only way of life open to people.

      We are “free” to do as they tell us.

      Under those circumstances, it is no wonder that you end up with “NEETs” and all manner of other societal problems.

      I am not asking you to pay for them to be idle. I am asking you (and all who think they know what’s best for others) to back off, get out of people’s lives, and empower them to live as they see fit.

      Stop trying to force people to live in a way they do not want to live, and you won’t end up having to support those who don’t fit into your system.

      But it is vital that other ways of living are not attacked, closed down, or made impossible - as they are currently. Self sufficiency should be an option for anybody who wants it - and indeed was, until the Enclosures stole our common land from us.

      Great - let’s all go back to subsistance farming.

      Look into forest gardening and permaculture - ways we can produce plenty of food, in a small-scale, self-sufficient manner. A well established forest garden (10+ years) can provide enough food for several families for something like only 10 days work each year.

      Watch the BBC Natural World episode “A Farm For The Future” (torrent) where they talk to people doing just that.

      We can have everything we need for around 10 days work a year (given the initial investment to get things up and running), and the rest of our time would be ours.

      All we need is the land which was stolen from our communities. It’s time to give it back!!!

    82. Shamit — on 15th June, 2009 at 7:56 pm  

      “Shamit, is there anything you can do on this?”

      Working on it with some great support from the other picklers.

    83. Ravi Naik — on 15th June, 2009 at 8:26 pm  

      The real question is who gets an invitation to leave: non-whites in general, or just the ones who are not British.

      According to the latest BNP manual of language and discipline, non-whites and their descendants can be British (as citizens not as part of the British identity) and have all the rights of indigenous people (rule #13). This is weird. They concede that you can have non-white British citizens, but don’t accept them as members?

    84. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 8:26 pm  

      ‘Working on it with some great support from the other picklers.’

      Great!

    85. blah — on 15th June, 2009 at 8:34 pm  

      Hantsboy
      “Powell’s estimate of the minority population by the end of last century was pretty accurate and he was ridiculed for saying it.”

      This was the man who in 1968 said ” “In this country in 15 or 20 years time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.”

      Yeh a fvcking crystal ball hants boy

      “The British were never numerous enough to inflict the same fate on the sub-continent. And when their time was up folded their tents and went away.”

      Actually some stayed and are Indians (ever heard of Anglo Indians?) . And Black and Asian British people are British not Indian or Jamaican.

    86. Refresh — on 15th June, 2009 at 8:38 pm  

      Anybody got any thoughts on where the BNP-endorsed ‘indigenous’ people could go for their holidays?

    87. Rumbold — on 15th June, 2009 at 8:42 pm  

      Brittany?

    88. Don — on 15th June, 2009 at 8:43 pm  

      DaveS,

      …only 10 days work each year.

      What, every bleedin’ year?

    89. Don — on 15th June, 2009 at 8:50 pm  

      Hols for the BNP approved? Sealand?

      http://www.cracked.com/article_15821_fun-size-countries-insane-histories-worlds-6-tiniest-nations.html

    90. persephone — on 16th June, 2009 at 10:32 am  

      @86 Newquay, bournemouth

    91. chairwoman — on 16th June, 2009 at 10:42 am  

      ” bournemouth”

      Full of Jews and foreign students.

    92. persephone — on 17th June, 2009 at 8:45 pm  

      on no chairwoman we may have given them another demonisation to use: the jewishification of Bournemouth

    93. links for 2009-06-18 « Embololalia — on 18th June, 2009 at 6:09 pm  

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