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    Questions for the BNP: part 2


    by Jai on 12th June, 2009 at 8:19 pm    

    [This continues Jai's 85 questions that the BNP need to answer: these ones are my favourites- Rumbold's note]

    Medical impact of a BNP government

    20. What contingency measures does the BNP plan in order to effectively deal with the likely massive increase in accident- and illness-related casualties and deaths amongst the British population due to the rapid collapse of the NHS upon the pre-emptive emigration and/or expulsion/repatriation of non-white British citizens currently working as medical professionals in the NHS, considering that 16% of nurses are non-white, as are 40% of new dentists and 58% of new doctors (figures: May 2009)?

    Economic impact of a BNP government

    21. What contingency measures does the BNP plan in order to maintain the British population’s current standard of living if, upon the election of a BNP government, the United States leads and enforces an international trade embargo on British goods and services, along with applying sanctions and terminating foreign financial and business investment in/business ties with the United Kingdom? Particularly when, along with the United States, the fastest growing economies include China, India and Brazil — incidentally, all majority non-white countries — and are projected to join the United States as global superpowers during the next few decades?

    22. What contingency measures does the BNP plan in order to effectively manage the collapse of the British domestic economy and the Financial Services sector (both retail/commercial and investment banking) upon the execution of the US-led actions detailed in point 21? How will a BNP government also deal with massive hyperinflation and the total collapse of British Pounds Sterling as a viable currency?

    23. What contingency measures does the BNP plan in order to ensure the continued employment and income of the millions of British citizens who will be impacted by the collapse of private companies as a result of points 21 and 22?

    24. What contingency measures does the BNP plan in order to ensure adequate domestic food supplies for the British civilian population upon the termination of foreign food imports and the collapse of British retailers involved in that industry as a result of point 21?

    25. What contingency measures does the BNP plan in order to effectively respond to famine, mass starvation and possible civil disturbances amongst the British civilian population due to limited/unavailable domestic food supplies, as per point 24?

    26. How does the BNP subsequently propose to cater to modern British dietary preferences, based on and subject to the restrictions of domestic agriculture and the British climate?

    Military impact of a BNP government

    27. What contingency measures to ensure the continued safety & protection of the British civilian population does the BNP plan in response to Britain being expelled from NATO and stripped of its seat on the United Nations Security Council upon the election of a BNP government?

    28. What contingency measures to ensure the continued safety & protection of the British civilian population does the BNP plan if the United States (particularly with an African-American US President and an increasingly numerous and influential domestic non-white population) terminates its current strategic military alliance with Britain upon the election of a BNP government?

    29. What contingency measures to ensure the continued safety & protection of the British civilian population does the BNP plan in response to a military attack by an inevitably-hostile United States or a US-led military coalition?

    30. What contingency measures to ensure the continued safety & protection of the British civilian population and the continued survival of Britain as a viable nation-state does the BNP plan in response to a pre-emptive, interventionist or retaliatory nuclear attack by the United States or a US-led military coalition hostile to the notion of an explicitly racist Neo-Nazi British government having access to nuclear weapons?

    31. Considering the sympathy towards the historical German Nazis, admiration for Nazism, Holocaust denial, and alliances with international anti-semitic organisations prevalent among senior members of the BNP, how will the British civilian population be protected in response to a nuclear attack by Israel upon the election of a BNP government?

    32. The current state of the British armed forces will be insufficient to protect Britain and its civilian population from foreign military attack, particularly upon the withdrawal of American and/or NATO military support. How will rearmament be facilitated and financed, especially considering the aforementioned collapse of the British economy?

    33. How will Britain and its civilian population be protected against a pre-emptive military attack by the United States or a US-led military coalition upon the initiation of a BNP government-authorised rearmament programme?

    [The previous questions can be found here]



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    1. blah — on 12th June, 2009 at 9:18 pm  

      Very well done for effort but apart from point 20 all the other points are complete fantasy. Even if (big if) the UK elected the BNP why would the US or any other nation stop trading? Human rights have never been on the US agenda when it comes to making a big buck (China? massacres of minorities in India? Saudi Arabi anyone?)

      29,30,31 and 33 are totally comical. Neither Israel or the US are going to nuke the UK even if the BNP is in charge!! Obama can only be president for maximum the next 8 years and he doesnt make policy based on black consciousness!

    2. Joe Otten — on 12th June, 2009 at 9:41 pm  

      I would like to see them asked this:

      1. When did you stop being racist?
      2. Why?
      3. How did it feel to realise you had been supporting the bad guys up until then?

    3. Vikrant — on 12th June, 2009 at 9:59 pm  

      the fastest growing economies include China, India and Brazil — incidentally, all majority non-white countries — and are projected to join the United States as global superpowers during the next few decades?

      Isn’t India out second biggest foreign investor after US already btw?

    4. Colin Brown — on 12th June, 2009 at 10:07 pm  

      If [PP] are so convinced that racism is rife in the UK (particularly the BNP which I’m a member of) why don’t we hold a national debate on the crisis?

      They did in America a year back. And this was the result: http://tinyurl.com/qdzfc8

      Are we mature enough to put it to the test over here?

    5. Vasey — on 12th June, 2009 at 10:29 pm  

      You’re making a case against the BNP and you have somehow failed to make it convincing. I didn’t believe that to be possible till this moment.

    6. Jai — on 12th June, 2009 at 10:48 pm  

      Some interesting information in the BNP’s General Election Manifesto 2005 indicating their attitude towards the United States in general, along with further implications for the transatlantic military alliance:

      Page 50, re: “Post-EU Foreign Policy”

      Quote:

      “…..Therefore, however much we may dislike the present American regime, and see the need to resist American cultural imperialism, we still need the USA as a counterweight against a European superstate. Therefore, while we should politely but firmly refuse to fight America’s wars, we would give serious consideration to allowing the Americans to keep their bases in the UK so long as they refrain from interfering with our nationalist political agenda along the lines of what they (and others) recently did in Ukraine.

      Under this policy American bases would be essentially hostages to America’s good behaviour (if the Philippines can expel its American bases, it would certainly be possible for us to do so.) As long as Britain allows American bases, the American government will have every incentive to cooperate with a future BNP regime. If Britain threw them out, they would have every incentive to try to overthrow such a government to get back in.

      Such a policy would, of course, be subject to immediate review if it was felt that aggressive action or threatened intervention by the USA anywhere else in the world was turning us into a target at risk of becoming collateral damage in other peoples’ quarrels.”

      *****************************

      Page 52, re: “National Defence”

      Quote:

      “We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete”.

    7. Shamit — on 12th June, 2009 at 10:52 pm  

      Colin

      No one is saying that racism is rife in the UK. There are a small minority of people across races who believe their race is superior and puts everyone else down.

      I, like most regular commentators, don’t believe race or religion are the defining characteristics of any person — some examples, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Obama, Powell, Abdul Kalam, Akbar the Great and many many many others.

      I hate the thugs in Britain who support Al-Qaeda and similarly I hate the racist thugs of BNP.

      Whether you are racist or not really does not matter - just like if you are a member of Al-Qaeda or supporting organisation one should not be surprised if they are branded terrorist.

      We are all willing to have a debate and if you are up for it -let’s have it.

      Jai has a list of 85 odd questions/ Lets start with those.

      I am willing to give you guys and even that rather low life Chairman (who is a liar and a traitor, and a thug) of yours the option to respond to the allegations and/ore respond to the questions provided you are civil on our platform (eGov monitor) (which has been graced by politicians of major countries and almost all mainstream parties in britain). If you are a mainstream party you should welcome this opportunity to clear your stance considering a general election is less than a year away.

      And either refute the allegations with proof or answer the questions

      You want to be mainstream right? Well, thats how the big boys play by debating and persuading people and not by stoking hatred through lies, deceit and creating fear.

      I am British and I was born here and this country is mine as much as yours. And I am against opening the doors of immigration. I want controlled immigration but it should not be based on race but on the value one can add to Britain.

      I am against power being handed to the unaccountable bodies in Europe and I am against the BNP and everything it stands for.

      I am for law and order — and I am for people taking responsibility for their actions while at the same time, I believe as a society we have a responsibility towards those who are less fortunate.

      Now, could you explain why someone (Asian) who was born in the UK, got degrees from universities (many times a couple of degrees), adds economic value to the UK and pays taxes — and whose kids are not going to be on benefits or going to commit crimes or be pregnant at the age of 15 — why is that person and his/her family less desirable in the UK than the white disintegrated family like the 13 year old going to be father incident?

      So if BNP is really British they should have the moral courage and have the fairmindedness to address these legitimate questions that have been put forth.

      If you prefer another debate format — do suggest it. We are matured to handle it — but are you lot? I await your reply eagerly.

    8. Ravi Naik — on 12th June, 2009 at 11:08 pm  

      If [PP] are so convinced that racism is rife in the UK (particularly the BNP which I’m a member of) why don’t we hold a national debate on the crisis?

      Racism is not widespread and we like it to keep it that way. In fact no one likes to be a racist, not even the BNP. Did you read their manual of discipline and language? They say that they are neither a racist nor a racialist party. Try not to smile.

      I would certainly like the BNP to have a debate on race among themselves. Because it is the only party who has problems with it.

      They did in America a year back. And this was the result: http://tinyurl.com/qdzfc8

      The result was Barack Obama.

    9. Jai — on 12th June, 2009 at 11:08 pm  

      Well said, Shamit and Ravi. And Vikrant’s point in #3 is also correct.

      Incidentally, to those of you who are from the BNP, we’re still awaiting comprehensive answers to the first 19 questions on the previous related thread.

      Feel free to respond to the matters raised there before moving onto this thread or indeed the 52 further questions about the BNP’s various policies which will shortly follow in consecutive threads.

    10. Clairwil — on 12th June, 2009 at 11:53 pm  

      @Colin Brown,
      Why don’t you or any other BNP member start at ‘Question for the BNP Part One’ and answer the questions? Is it stupidity or evasiveness?

      However to answer your points I don’t think any of the contributors here think racism is rife. Good God, if it was, the racist BNP party would have a lot more than two MEPs elected on a poor turnout and a smattering of incompetent councillors.

      I’m quite happy to have a national debate on racism. In fact I’d relish the opportunity to show the BNP up as the single issue racists they are and watch them retreat into political irrelevance. That way the rest of us can get on with building a well integrated society without unhelpful interjections from the sort of murderous, totalitarian filth my grandparents risked their lives to defeat in WW2.

      So either prove our perceptions wrong by answering the questions put to you. Otherwise we might take your silence as an admission we were right about the racist BNP all along and I’m not sure that’s the impression you’re trying to sell these days.

    11. Sleuth — on 12th June, 2009 at 11:57 pm  

      You should be embarrassed by some of those questions; they have all the hallmarks of a rejected Brass Eye script.

    12. Clairwil — on 13th June, 2009 at 12:59 am  

      #11,
      Personally I’m still chucking at the BNP being too thick to answer the easy questions in part one. Honestly they’re making my white arse blush with embarrassment!

    13. Katy Newton — on 13th June, 2009 at 6:32 am  

      Considering the sympathy towards the historical German Nazis, admiration for Nazism, Holocaust denial, and alliances with international anti-semitic organisations prevalent among senior members of the BNP, how will the British civilian population be protected in response to a nuclear attack by Israel upon the election of a BNP government?

      Given that this description matches a number of world leaders in much closer proximity to Israel than Britain, I think a nuclear attack by Israel is somewhat unlikely.

      Very much enjoying this otherwise, though, keep em coming.

    14. Golam Murtaza — on 13th June, 2009 at 8:05 am  

      Still no serious attempt by any of the BNP trolls to actually answer Jai’s questions. I suspect we’ll be waiting a while for that…

    15. marvin — on 13th June, 2009 at 10:45 am  

      34. Is the Daily Mail your newspaper of choice?

      Check this leading story

      there was a terrible mix-up when the wrong sperm was mistakenly used by the hospital fertility clinic the couple attended in their hope of becoming parents.

      The result is that while Keith, 47, and his 46-year-old wife Catherine are white, their son is black.

    16. Ravi Naik — on 13th June, 2009 at 11:13 am  

      Jai is framing the questions in the worst case scenario - they can happen, but I would rather focus on likely scenarios of BNP governance. I do not think there is going to be any nuclear warfare from any state (which would affect other European countries), nor famine in Britain. I do agree with Jai though that Britain would suffer tremendously if skilled non-whites (and whites) left the country the next day as a sign of protest.

      Very likely scenarios:

      1) Apartheid in Britain - classification of British according to: whites and coloureds (second class citizens). Segregation of whites and non-whites: schools, housing and public transportation. Voting denied or limited to coloureds. TV programmes would only show white kids. CBeebees would have a TV shows like The Adventures of Uncle Adolf and Aryanna.

      2) Banning “foreign” religions, like Islam. Curbing freedom of expression, specially in regards to race and the current racial policies.

      3) Banning miscegenation.

      4) Skilled and highly-skilled “coloureds” will not tolerate living in a country where they are second-class citizens: they will migrate. I would like to have figures on how much wealth we generate in Britain. I am sure a lot other countries are interested in getting that piece of pie.

      5) Internationally, Britain will become more isolated and irrelevant, not attacked militarily. Tourism will be reduced dramatically. Yes, there will be sanctions against British products.

      6) Whites will emigrate as well. And possibly meet their “coloured” British neighbours from back home.

    17. Jai — on 13th June, 2009 at 12:14 pm  

      Katy,

      Given that this description matches a number of world leaders in much closer proximity to Israel than Britain, I think a nuclear attack by Israel is somewhat unlikely.

      Maybe. On the other hand, those other countries don’t (yet) have nuclear weapons. Britain does.

      Which also happens to be a similar theme in relation to the sabre-rattling between the United States and North Korea & Iran, for example. Or, even more obviously, the dynamic between Israel itself and Iran — we all know about the jitteriness in various corners about a pre-emptive Israeli attack against Iran whenever any noises about the latter’s “nuclear reseach facilities” and “proximity to the production of nuclear warheads” are made. And Ahmedinejad’s rantings about denying the Holocaust and “wiping Israel off the map” certainly haven’t helped matters.

      So you can imagine a similar rapid deterioration in the situation between Israel and Britain upon the election of a BNP government — because the latter really will have ready access to an arsenal of nuclear weapons, along with being explicitly anti-semitic white supremacists and confirmed admirers of Nazi Germany.

    18. Jai — on 13th June, 2009 at 12:25 pm  

      Regarding military matters, let’s just re-iterate the BNP’s stance towards the United States, with relevant areas highlighted in the most applicable sections of the BNP’s 2005 manifesto:

      Page 50, re: “Post-EU Foreign Policy”

      Quote:

      “…..Therefore, however much we may dislike the present American regime, and see the need to resist American cultural imperialism, we still need the USA as a counterweight against a European superstate. Therefore, while we should politely but firmly refuse to fight America’s wars, we would give serious consideration to allowing the Americans to keep their bases in the UK so long as they refrain from interfering with our nationalist political agenda along the lines of what they (and others) recently did in Ukraine.

      Under this policy American bases would be essentially hostages to America’s good behaviour (if the Philippines can expel its American bases, it would certainly be possible for us to do so.) As long as Britain allows American bases, the American government will have every incentive to cooperate with a future BNP regime. If Britain threw them out, they would have every incentive to try to overthrow such a government to get back in.

      *****************************

      Page 52, re: “National Defence”

      Quote:

      We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO,…..”

      *****************************

      Not exactly a promising indication of an intention to maintain the transatlantic “special relationship”, is it ?

      In fact, the tone and some of the language is actually more reminiscent of the anti-American rantings of the current North Koreas regime and the Iranian authorities’ “Great Satan” propaganda.

    19. Jai — on 13th June, 2009 at 12:55 pm  

      There’s more:

      Page 52, “National Defence, point 8″:

      Quote:

      “The compulsory National Service system discussed elsewhere in this Manifesto would begin at the age of 18 with a period of basic training in the army. This would include full training with the citizens’ assault rifle. Conscientious objectors who refuse to undertake military service would be allocated other constructive work for the community, but would not receive the citizen’s right to be armed, or the right to vote.

      ***************************************

      The right of citizens to vote is a basic aspect of the modern democratic system — in the UK, even the homeless have the full right to participate in this process. The only British citizens who are ineligible to vote are people with certain mental disabilities which render them incapable of making an informed voting decision, certain specified types of prisoners (by no means all), and those guilty of voting malpractice.

      If you have any doubts about the anti-democratic aspirations of the BNP, particularly in conjunction with the increased militarisation of British society under a BNP government, this should give you further material to think about. The BNP is already planning various ways to strip British citizens of their established democratic rights.

      And it would also be interesting to have further information on whether the right to bear arms and the right to join the military would also be extended to non-white & Jewish British citizens, or if both of these matters would be restricted solely to white/Caucasian British citizens.

    20. Jai — on 13th June, 2009 at 1:13 pm  

      Many of Ravi’s excellent points in #16, particularly 1-4, will be discussed in considerable detail in the next section of this series, specifically pertaining to the “Social and legal impact of a BNP government”.

      Religious matters will be discussed in detail in the subsequent section “Religious impact of a BNP government”.

      ***********************************

      I believe a comprehensive answer from the BNP regarding the following would also be constructive:

      BNP’s General Election Manifesto 2005, page 52, re: “National Defence”, specifically point 6:

      Quote:

      “If Britain is attacked by rogue states or terrorists then we will respond with maximum force until the threat is eradicated.”

      On what basis can the BNP credibly claim that, upon the election of an explicitly racist, explicitly and aggressively anti-Islam, explicitly and aggressively anti-Muslim BNP government, the risk of an Al-Qaeda or Al-Qaeda-inspired terrorist attack against the British civilian population is not actually INCREASED considerably ?

    21. damon — on 13th June, 2009 at 2:55 pm  

      I was just listening to the saturday follow up to last night’s radio 4 programme ‘Any Questions?’ - called ‘Any Answers?’ - and I thought to myself (having read some of these ‘BNP’ threads on Pickled Politics): …. ”forget the BNP, listen to the radio 4 listening public”.

      As well as having a Stoke BNP councillor phoning in (who showed his true colors by stating that he was unconcerned by the label ‘racist’ and that it was just a word), most of the other callers to the programme seemed to show ‘concern’ that immigration had ‘got out of hand’, and some parts of the country were ‘particularly affected’.
      But as one caller said, ”not so much in Devon where we are, but in ‘other’ parts of the country”.

      I’m really not so concerned about the BNP. I know it’s great to trash them because they are such a jucy target, but I find them to be (not that they aren’t scum) ‘low hanging fruit’.

      I know elsewhere, that Sunny has refered to Sir Andrew Green (of Migration Watch) as ”rent-a-gob”… and I wish (just personally) that as much time and energy was spent ‘going after’ their views and opinions, as was spent on the moronic BNP … who even when getting attacked (by eggs) outside parliament, the thing that you notice most on TV are the goon minders in suits, trying to protect their leader.

    22. Dave S — on 14th June, 2009 at 12:02 am  

      Reading all this, one thing becomes pretty clear:

      If the BNP ever do manage to get into government in the UK (which they won’t, not even close), the entire country would collapse in a matter of a few weeks.

      So, while I applaud the asking of difficult questions in the BNP’s direction, I personally don’t see them as enough of a threat to lose much sleep over. (Which isn’t to say I don’t engage in anti-fascist activism on a regular basis anyway.)

      While it’s unlikely that the BNP will ever gain power, they certainly are agitators. The tabloid press loves to echo their rhetoric, which then gets somewhat adopted by the other political parties in an attempt to “look tough” on things and avoid losing disenchanted voters to the BNP. Adoption of BNP-esque policies and increasing authoritarianism by other political parties is definitely a big concern. The mainstream parties love to point at “the fascists” on one hand, while with the other, they are drafting-up only marginally de-clawed carbon-copies of plenty of the fascists’ policies!

      But what worries me most is the inherent authoritarianism of the entire of mainstream politics in the UK - in the way that our so-called “democracy” is a sham and a lie, and that even if one votes for the least authoritarian political parties or independents, it’s merely an exercise in changing the puppets of authoritarian global capitalism.

      We do not have any say in the running of our lives, and are unlikely to while multinational corporations are more powerful and more mobile than governments.

      Not having any say in the running of our lives is a massive problem, and the resulting dissatisfaction is, I believe, the principle reason many people can quite easily be manipulated into voting for racists and fascists.

      People are looking for an outlet for their general dissatisfaction, and along come the fascists with their “simple” solutions. It doesn’t matter if those solutions are completely brain-dead, because they aren’t asking people to think for themselves anyway! They are saying: “You have problems, and we have the solutions - all you have to do is vote for us and we’ll sort everything out for you, so you don’t have to waste time thinking about it.”

      Of course the BNP are not interested in whether their solutions would actually work - the only thing they are interested in is power, and lots of it. They will say almost anything against almost anybody to get disenchanted people to vote for them - including playing those disenchanted people off against each other if they can get away with it.

      The BNP vote is a direct product of ordinary people being downtrodden, ignored, exploited, and not having control over our lives - it’s really not much more complicated than that.

      The real global fascists are corporate capitalists, and politicians are their lackeys. It doesn’t make any difference under a “communist” (read: “state capitalist”) style government either, so authoritarian socialist anti-fascists (SWP, Searchlight magazine etc.) can get stuffed every bit as much as the BNP!

      While we have authoritarians of any type ruling from within a sham “democratic” system - and especially with capitalists pulling their strings - there can be little hope of sorting out all manner of societal problems, and thus the BNP vote will remain.

      Environmental destruction is our guarantee that this system won’t continue forever. We’re already at (or probably even past) the point where the imbalance between dwindling, finite natural resources and imaginary debt based on the assumption of “infinite” natural resources is starting to cause the wheels to fall off capitalism bigtime.

      The “credit crunch” is only the tip of the iceberg. I shudder to think what the human and ecological costs are going to be, if we allow the natural long-drawn-out death of capitalism to take place. We don’t have time to wait for capitalism to die - it really needs to be euthanased en masse by anybody with half an ounce of sense.

      Governments can’t sort this out, and thus voting is a waste of time*. We have to take meaningful collective action now, because nothing else will save our backsides in the timeframe available to us.

      It is for these reasons that I am an anti-authoritarian anti-capitalist, or more simply an “anarchist”.

      It is a shame that word is so misunderstood, when all it really means is that I believe that human beings are capable of behaving in a reasonable way without having to be forced or bribed to do so. But of course, that is an idea that the rich and powerful find extremely dangerous, so it’s no wonder they go to extraordinary efforts to convince us that without allowing them to protect us from ourselves, we’d all “descend into anarchy” and kill each other.

      * Incidentally, I did vote in the EU elections against the BNP, but this was a pragmatic (and long-considered) decision based on the presence of a system which was likely to let them in. Which indeed it did - despite the fact that 66% of the UK electorate and 57% of the total European electorate voted for nobody at all!

      “Proportional representation” my arse!

    23. Jai — on 14th June, 2009 at 3:51 pm  

      And it would also be interesting to have further information on whether the right to bear arms and the right to join the military would also be extended to non-white & Jewish British citizens, or if both of these matters would be restricted solely to white/Caucasian British citizens.

      This can actually be taken further:

      If non-white & Jewish British citizens will not be allowed to join the military, then that means they will not be given the right to vote under a BNP government either. Bear in mind also that the BNP plan to scrap all laws involving the protection of minorities against racial discrimination, harassment etc.

      And since the right to bear arms (the “Citizens’ assault rifle”, to use the BNP term) will also be contingent on military service, the following situation will result: An armed majority population, and an unarmed & massively outnumbered minority population consisting of non-whites and Jewish people, in a BNP-ruled country with an explicitly racist agenda being promoted from the top-down, with the aforementioned minorities having no legal recourse for their own protection against persecution or harassment either.

      Whether this is by accident or design, and whether the result will be given a nudge, a push, or be allowed to occur of its own accord, this situation will have several outcomes in Britain. One of them involves non-whites and Jews being driven out of the UK because of the sheer level of harassment and discrimination they will receive and will have no defence against.

      The other involves the BNP setting up the chess pieces for something even more “final”. Join the dots.

      And this scenario should be coupled with the threat/warning to the United States not to interfere in the BNP’s “nationalist political agenda” as detailed in the extract from the BNP’s 2005 manifesto in #18, taking into consideration that the BNP uses the term “nation” to mean “race” or “ethnic group” (as confirmed by this morning’s “The Big Question” on BBC1, involving two representatives from the BNP including Andrew Brons).

    24. redpesto — on 16th June, 2009 at 11:35 am  

      From the BNP manifesto (as quoted earlier):

      Conscientious objectors who refuse to undertake military service would be allocated other constructive work for the community, but would not receive the citizen’s right to be armed, or the right to vote.”

      Reminds me of Starship Troopers - only without the jokes. Or the giant alien bugs.

      Dave S: If the BNP ever do manage to get into government in the UK (which they won’t, not even close), the entire country would collapse in a matter of a few weeks. - it’s not national government I’d be worried about; it’s local government - the social/political/economic collapse following a BNP administration could easily occur in somewhere like Stoke.

    25. Leon — on 16th June, 2009 at 12:50 pm  

      So, while I applaud the asking of difficult questions in the BNP’s direction, I personally don’t see them as enough of a threat to lose much sleep over. (Which isn’t to say I don’t engage in anti-fascist activism on a regular basis anyway.)

      While it’s unlikely that the BNP will ever gain power, they certainly are agitators.

      I’m not sure what you’re saying here. On the one hand you say you don’t see them as a threat (I’m sure minority ethnic people in this country might feel otherwise) but then saying they manage to influence all the main parties into following if not their policies but rethoric?

      Read Micro Trends by Mark Penn then tell me if we should stop trying to counter them…

    26. Dave S — on 16th June, 2009 at 1:30 pm  

      Redpesto - Well, that’s true. Luckily, all the people they’ve managed to get elected are such morons, that it’s never long before their true colours and incompetence are revealed. But that’s not saying they don’t cause a lot of damage in local government anyway.

      Leon - I’m not saying we should stop trying to counter the BNP. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t lose sight of the other parties adopting BNP-esque policies.

      For example, Labour’s ever increasing authoritarianism and the march towards a police state, and the Tories being unafraid to scapegoat immigrants where it will win them votes.

      The BNP are undoubtedly among the worst fascists, but that doesn’t make them the only ones with fascist tendencies. They’re just the most fascist in a pile of fascists, really.

      We should be exposing and dismantling fascism, racism and other nasty authoritarian tendencies wherever they occur.



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