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    Why I welcome the BNP vote


    by Sunny on 6th May, 2006 at 4:55 pm    

    Much will be made of the BNP’s gains in the Local Elections, given they doubled their share of councillors from around 20 to 44. But a closer look at this result is warranted and I, for one, am happy with the gains they made. Let me tell you why.

    1) The BNP contested over 350 council wards won only 44 seats; a quarter in just one area - Barking and Dagenham. In other places their showing was pitiful.

    They fielded 81 candidates in West Yorkshire, their biggest push in the county. The result? They managed a grand total of one extra seat out of the 366 seats on five councils. In Bradford, where they had four seats, they ended up losing two of them.

    2) The big three are unlikely to stop asylum seekers and immigrants being blamed for their own incompetence. But with the BNP protest vote now a serious threat they will have to pull their socks up and deal with local housing and public transport problems.

    Barking told us that Margaret Hodge’s willingness to pander to prejudice backfired and did little to salvage Labour support. She was idiotic but Margaret Hodge did us a favour.

    3) The plea by political leaders to vote anyone but the BNP was patronising. Those gullible enough to fall for the BNP’s lies are unlikely to listen to them anyway. At least this result may force the big three to think harder about reconnecting with voters on a grassroots level than simply treat them as kids.

    4) A recent petition asked for the media to give less prominence to the BNP. I disagreed. The more they are in the limelight, the more their stupidity and bigotry can be exposed.

    5) It was billed as a ‘referendum on Islam’ with a planned focus on 7/7 and the Danish cartoons. The BNP’s success however came primarily from a focus on local housing and transportation issues. Of course they falsely blamed immigrants and asylum seekers but it gives us an indication of likely future direction.

    Britons still care more about bread and butter issues than giving in to the hysteria around terrorism. The BNP’s efforts in trying to use Islamophobia and 7/7 up north utterly failed to make a difference.

    6) Hilariously, the BNP fielded Jewish, Muslim and Sikh councillors. Even they’ve embraced our multi-ethnic society!

    7) The BNP’s gains are unlikely to be long-term. Their candidates are comically incompetent. For some, local proceedings are too complicated; for others they have been an eye-opener.

    When leaving the BNP, councillor Maureen Stowe of Burnley said: “This is the best thing I could have done. I’ve got a chance to do a lot of good. Now I think we can pull all the people of Burnley together to improve things for everybody. I keep asking myself how could I have been so stupid as to have anything to do with them.”

    As Abraham Lincoln once said: “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”

    The intelligence of some who have come here to tell us why they voted BNP is also hilarious. Apparently if you see racist attacks by non-white criminal gangs then it is all the more reason to vote for a racist party that will do their best to help increase racism. That makes sense! Who said racists were stupid people?



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    1. j0nz — on 6th May, 2006 at 5:53 pm  

      Good points there Sunny. Of course it takes an effnic lefty to say such things. Well done for a non-hysterical post, unlike a lot of cracker-ass-honkey lefties.

      6) Hilariously, the BNP fielded Jewish, Muslim and Sikh councillors. Even they’ve embraced our multi-ethnic society!

      That is amusing, however they didn’t field a Muslim candidate. In fact surprisingly they make their racism quite clear and openly on their website

      we do not have, and will not have, any non-white or Muslim members.

      (Search for Sharif Gawad in google)

    2. Rakhee — on 6th May, 2006 at 6:11 pm  

      As Abraham Lincoln once said: “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”

      …but as Martin Luther King once said “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity”.

      The fact that the BNP is increasing votes and riding the publicity machine to their advantage (debatable, I know) does pose a very real threat.

    3. Bikhair — on 6th May, 2006 at 6:24 pm  

      Pickled Peerpers,

      As I have wondered many times before, why should those who have voted for the BNP be allowed any nuances to their justification and not those Palestinians who voted for Hamas. Those people who are falling over themselves explaining to Britain that the BNP are gaining influence because of this and that reason would never offer those same explainations for those who voted for Hamas.

      Those Arabs in the West Bank and the Occupied territories live and breathe the destruction of Isreal even while, unemployment is high, corruption is rife, people get sick, people need education, people need infrastructure, people want money, people want a good home, people want to be able to go to the doctor, etc.

      BNP got votes because Britain is a dam racist place for many. Nuff said.

    4. El Cid — on 6th May, 2006 at 6:41 pm  

      Maybe Margaret Hodge is smarter than you think

    5. Dave Newquay — on 6th May, 2006 at 6:45 pm  

      Sorry your sums are slightly wrong.The BNP had a net gain of 32 seats. Added to the 23 seats it already held that makes a total of 55 seats the BNP now hold

    6. Yusuf Smith — on 6th May, 2006 at 7:02 pm  

      A recent petition asked for the media to give less prominence to the BNP. I disagreed. The more they are in the limelight, the more their stupidity and bigotry can be exposed.

      But do the media expose their stupidity and bigotry, such as by revealing that the lies they tell are just that, that despite their law and order talk some of their senior activists are recidivist criminals, or that when they get on councils they are generally incompetent and even silent? A lot of media hand-wringing about the BNP will not do this - it is better that they not be mentioned at all if the media are not willing or able to robustly oppose them, which is not difficult.

    7. Rohin — on 6th May, 2006 at 7:21 pm  

      Yusuf has a point that I want to elaborate on.

      We have argued that while nutters like Abu Hamza got prime time slots, the BNP were not covered by the press, giving the impression that Muslims are crazy and all white people are nice - bad.

      What we WANTED was a press that consults mainstream views (i.e. the main parties, mainstream minority representatives and so on) as well as coverage of all the nutters - good. This way people will know BNP are extremists, not to be confused with other politicians and people will know HuT etc are extremists, not to be confused with normal Muslims.

      But what I’m seeing now is that the BNP are simply being covered as a political party. Few outside the print media are branding them racists, the extremists are not being interviewed - only the leader seems to speak and he isn’t stupid enough to begin a tirade against ethnics on TV, unlike the reverse with Abu Hamza or even Iqbal Sacranie. If the BNP are only reported on as opposed to their actual agenda and policies being exposed, we will get the scenario I feel we’re entering - where people don’t really know what the BNP stands for and start becoming sympathetic.

      We need those BNP crazies on TV, the ones who aren’t afraid to tell the “sand niggers to fuck off” so that the public realise the BNP are not moderate people.

    8. Katy Newton — on 7th May, 2006 at 12:56 am  

      The BNP had Jewish candidates? Jewish people have joined the BNP?

      They deserve a good slap. I apologise on behalf of all normal Jewish people.

    9. raz — on 7th May, 2006 at 1:03 am  

      Katy,

      http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/1009_bnp_jewish_win.htm

    10. Jay Singh — on 7th May, 2006 at 3:14 am  

      No need to apologise Katy we all have morons and mad people in our own communities. In fact they kind of form their own community of mad morons. There is a Sikh man who has done a propaganda video for the BNP.

    11. Sunny — on 7th May, 2006 at 3:20 am  

      Katy - you think that’s bad? The BNP had a Sikh guy on their party political broadcast last year. He deserved a hiding not a slap.

      Dave - BBC News says they won 27 seats and increased their total to 32. See here. So we’re both wrong.

      j0nz - aha. I When I heard his name on radio I mistook him for Muslim. Cheers for correcting that.

      Bikhair - Take your point. I plan to do another post on it… if and when that chance arises.

      Yusuf and Rohin:
      The press has done a lot to expose the BNP’s racism and lies… even the likes of the Sun and Daily Mail constantly bash them (if maybe only to promote their anti-racist credentials so they can bash immigrants later). Rohin has picked this up.

      But I want the BNP on TV more so people can hear their rubbish. I actually get annoyed that while white racists are successfully marginalised - Muslim fanatics are actually hunted down for a front-page quote. Whackos like Omar Bakri love the media.

      The trick with Nick Griffin is that he is very smart. He plays down his racism on TV and tries his best to come across as a reasonable man who wants the best for Britons. In a way his language and mannerisms are not dis-similar to Hizb ut Tahrir who have also learnt to play the media game and now always do their best to sound very moderate and middle-class.

      the more Nick Griffin comes on TV, the more opportunity there is for his mask to slip away. And it will happen. If he continues being moderate, then the upshot is that his core base of hardcore racist supporters will get pissed off and desert him for the more extremist National Front or Stormfront crew. Either way it is win-win for us.

    12. Sunny — on 7th May, 2006 at 3:24 am  

      Jay Singh got there ahead of me.

      Anyway, I know some people are worried this marks the ascent of the BNP into respectability and widespread support. It doesn’t. We have been here before:
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4968406.stm

      As I also said above, the BNP councillors are usually so so comically stupid and bad that they are not going to get far.

    13. Amir — on 7th May, 2006 at 3:31 am  

      Yvonne Ridley and Nick Griffin? A match made in heaven?

      I bet the sex would be great… ruthlessness and supremacism under the bedsheets.

      Can’t beat it!

    14. Roger — on 7th May, 2006 at 11:55 am  

      “The BNP had Jewish candidates? Jewish people have joined the BNP?”
      There have been quite a few former jews who’ve joined nazi or fascist organisations. Before Hitler fascism wasn’t associated with antisemitism actually; Mussolini and Mosley had jewish supporters. With the nazis there have been peole who abandoned and suppressed their jewishness- there was a US nazi leader who was revealed as Jewish and shamed on TV. Francis Beckett, in his biography of his father John Beckett, told how he learned that his mother who adored his father had been born and raised a jew.

    15. JTS — on 7th May, 2006 at 2:19 pm  

      Time to pull your head out of the sand, Sunny boy.

      “The BNP contested over 350 council wards won only 44 seats… In other places their showing was pitiful.”

      Really? BNP candidates achieved a national average of 18.1%, based on the individual candidate’ votes. Compare their 2006 percentage with their 2004 percentage. In most cases there was a huge increase in support:
      http://www.bnp.org.uk/election2006/results.php

      “The BNP’s success however came primarily from a focus on local housing and transportation issues. Of course they falsely blamed immigrants and asylum seekers but it gives us an indication of likely future direction.”

      Wrong. The BNP do not blame immigrants or asylum seekers. They blame the ‘mainstream’ governments. And anyway, how could immigration not exacerbate housing shortages?

      “Those gullible enough to fall for the BNP’s lies are unlikely to listen to them anyway.”

      And which party’s lies recently got us into an illegal war?

      I see you’re stooping low enough to start quoting Searchlight and its bunch of useful idiots at Stop The BNP. Its communist, criminal editor is hardly likely to provide impartial account of the BNP. Rather than forming their own political party, this failed bunch of weirdos try to find meaning in their lives by attacking anyone right-wing of the Greens.

      Read “Background notes for editors” at the base of this article.
      http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/docdiary2.php?docId=10

      And this: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/finalconflict/a20-1.html

      And while you’re slagging off BNP councillors, take a look at this:
      http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/liars_oct04.htm
      or just take a quick look at the ‘achievements’ of some of Blair’s recently booted sidekicks.

      The intelligence of some who have come here to tell us why they voted BNP is also hilarious. Apparently if you see racist attacks by non-white criminal gangs then it is all the more reason to vote for a racist party that will do their best to help increase racism. That makes sense! Who said racists were stupid people?

      Utter rubbish. Racist attacks only happen in multiracial communities, the kind endorsed by ‘mainstream’ parties which do their best to ignore attacks on whites (which, according to the Home Office, are in the majority). Tell me, under which British governments have racist attacks come about? Real ’stupidity’ comes in voting for more of the same punishment, ie, a government that gave us racist attacks in the first place, and has done nothing to halt the destruction of white communities by mass non-white immigration.

      …but as Martin Luther King once said “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity”.

      How ironic, Rakhee, that you should quote MLK on ignorance and stupidity. This liar and academic failure plagiarised huge chunks of his doctoral thesis and even his “dream” speech.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr._-_authorship_issues
      Now that really is hilarious!

    16. Jay Singh — on 7th May, 2006 at 2:24 pm  

      I see you’re stooping low enough to start quoting Searchlight

      Searchlight is a noble and brave journal dedicated to trailing and highlighting Nazi political scum. Have some fun with Nick Cohen in the Observer today - he relates some hilarious examples of the BNP at work in council chambers - including the one who made an interruption in the middle of a debate to ask someone to explain what the word ‘abstain’ meant. Hilarious fuckwits.

    17. Jay Singh — on 7th May, 2006 at 2:32 pm  

      Have a good laugh at the antics of the stupid idiotic half wits of the BNP

      http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1769483,00.html

    18. leon — on 7th May, 2006 at 3:43 pm  

      Searchlight brave and noble? You haven’t heard much about their collusion with the security services against the left over the years then…

    19. Jay Singh — on 7th May, 2006 at 3:45 pm  

      No havent heard about that leon tell me more!

    20. Rakhee — on 7th May, 2006 at 7:54 pm  

      JTS - thanks for the link. Bloody hell.

      Let’s say though for arguments sake he really was a cheat and a liar, at least his words ring true.

      “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity”.

      If he was a plagiarist then he was conscientiously stupid and sincerely ignorant. The fact that people still worship him, remember him and quote him is scary and yes, dangerous.

    21. Sunny — on 7th May, 2006 at 8:40 pm  

      BNP candidates achieved a national average of 18.1%, based on the individual candidate’ votes.

      Do you really expect me to fall for this rubbish? They concentrated hard on a few areas by spreading tons of lies abnd so they got a few dimwits to vote for them. They would never get anywhere nationally. Their arses would be sued out of existence for lying first.

      Rather than forming their own political party, this failed bunch of weirdos

      Right…. and I’m supposed to take a BNP supporter seriously? Anyone can form a political party… even a bunch of half-witted imbeciles. As the BNP clearly show.

      Racist attacks only happen in multiracial communities,

      Haha! That’s like saying “crime only takes place in places where there’s money”. Try and exercise that brain a bit more please so you can come out with a coherent argument.

      a government that gave us racist attacks in the first place,

      They gave us racist attacks? Is that in a legislation or through some mass-hypnotic exercise?

      Lastly, do I care that MLK might have plagiarised some speeches? No. At least he had good ideals. Too bad I can’t say the same about you.

    22. Ravi Naik — on 7th May, 2006 at 8:56 pm  

      “Racist attacks only happen in multiracial communities,”

      This comment has the dubious honour of being either blatant wrong or blatant obvious depending on what he means by ‘multiracial’ communities.

      Obviously no racist crime can be commited if the society is all-white or all-black, which shows how irrelevant crime is when linked with race. On the other hand, Russia is predominantly white and you keep hearing about racist murders/attacks against foreign students very frequently.

      Again, who says racist people are stupid?

    23. [...] The Lib-Dems have been shafted, royally, ending any hopes that the next general election will be a three-way contest. This election has seen the electorate swing rightwards. Votes went either to the Tories whose traditional prejudices nowadays lurk behind the slick urbanite geniality of “Call me David” Cameron or they went to the not-so-thinly disguised xenophobia of the BNP. Well, I for one am looking forward to seeing the BNP fall flat on their faces, which is when we can raise our glasses and sing the anti-BNP anthem by Saint Bob. Don’t take my word for it. Sunny H, far more qualified than me in taking on the bastards, thinks so as well. [...]

    24. Ravi4 — on 7th May, 2006 at 10:22 pm  

      Let’s not make excuses for those who voted BNP - they are basically racists. They may hide their racism behind economic determinism type arguments, but that’s just a facade.The vast majority of white working class people facing very similar problems to those in Barking, Dagenham etc did not vote BNP.

      Yes we’ve got to tackle the problems of social infrastructure, housing, transport etc - but because they are worth doing in themselves, not as a strategy to stop the BNP. Our strategy to stop the BNP should be to point out the stupidity of their supposed arguments, the even greater stupidity of most of their candidates, and to make clear that those who vote for racist parties must expect to be labeled as racists themselves.

      I believe most BNP supporters will move away from their racism if given access to the right information, rather than the BNP/ Daily Mail xenophobic propoganda. My own experience tends to support this hopeful analysis. (And it seems from the Cohen article that even BNP councillors can be made to see sense and quit their odious party.)

      But enough of this root causes nonsense. It doesn’t work for Islamist suicide murderers. And it doesn’t work for white racists either.

    25. Ravi Naik — on 8th May, 2006 at 10:21 am  

      Ravi4

      I would be careful in labelling people ‘racists’ just because they vote for the BNP. Racism is a serious social disease, where people - for instance - get anxious just to sit or see people that are dark-skinned.

      But for a lot of people, it’s a culture thing. If they perceive that their town is becoming increasingly more ethnic, they become more unconfortable. As I said before, I believe that multiculturism as is implemented in the UK makes people more complacent to integrate.

      I think in part, multiculturism has served both the Right and the Left quite well. The Right never wanted other communities to integrate with their own society. Each community for its own. And the Left - guilty because of the colonisation and the sort - feels that communities should live here as they would live in their own countries.

      And I fear that this mentality is what the BNP needs to get this message across: that Britain is losing its cultural identity. And they don’t even need to go to the ‘race’ route.

    26. Jai — on 8th May, 2006 at 10:36 am  

      *that Britain is losing its cultural identity.

      That’s the ironic thing — in reality, the UK is basically turning into the 51st State of the US (culturally). I don’t see the country as a whole becoming a mini-India or mini-Pakistan, even if certain parts of it seem that way. There aren’t actually that many of us here compared to the 60+ million indigenous population.

      It’s a case of the BNP playing upon people’s fears, especially as the visibility of Asians is greater than the actual numbers. I guess it’s a little like Sikhs in India (small population but much higher profile).

    27. Ravi4 — on 9th May, 2006 at 3:59 pm  

      Ravi - I’m afraid I don’t agree with you on this. The vast majority of white working class people facing all the economic and cultural fears that you describe still don’t vote BNP. Only a very stupid/ gullible person would fail to spot the racist nature of the BNP. The floppy haired new BNP councillor who was interviewed by most of the TV channels made clear that his party would work to ensure that the “indigenous” UK population would be given highest priority for council services and other support. As far as I’m concerned that’s racism - you don’t need to go as far as refusing to sit next to me on a bus to be a racist.

      I’m not saying racists are irredeemable. I was at uni with a couple of boarding school boys who were really into Skrewdriver and other far right nonsense at the time they arrived at uni. When I asked them about this in our final year they were totally embarrassed and apologetic - the uni experience had changed them. Similar changes happened with some (not all) of the more working class lads I’ve worked with in casual summer jobs. My mum and dad - like most first generation asians who arrived in the 60s/70s - were pretty racist towards white, black and muslim people when they first arrived - but no longer.

      By the way, I should have said more visibility and engagement and less isolation by Asian communities should be part of any strategy to undermine the BNP - so I’d agree with you that much about the downsides of multiculturalism, although I wouldn’t condemn it wholesale in the way you seem to. (See France and its minorities trying to be little Brown Frenchmen embarrassed even to discuss their backgrounds to see what happens without some kind of multiculturalism.)

      Jai - Isn’t this claim about UK turning into the 51st state a bit old hat? They’ve been saying it ever since the country was overrun with insatiable appetite for jazz and Hollywood in the 1930s. 70 years later the US and UK are if anything more different than they were back then (what with Hispanic influence over there and asian influence over here). US food (McDonalds) and music is less popular now than it used to be. UK media and public is now much more critical of the US than perhaps at any time in the past 70 years. I bet people will still be trotting out the “we’re becoming too american” line 70 years from now (unless by then it’s changed to “we’re becoming too Chinese/Indian” - depending on who’s the global cultural hegemon by then…)

    28. Bijna — on 9th May, 2006 at 10:10 pm  

      > Apparently if you see racist attacks by non-white
      > criminal gangs then it is all the more reason to
      > vote for a racist party that will do their best to
      > help increase racism. That makes sense! Who said
      > racists were stupid people?

      Generalizing from my own experience:

      1) People under attack seek allies. Whites being attacked by non whites first turn to the government, which tells them that they are confused and that immigrants are actually nice people. Then they turn to BNP.

      2) Stupid people are poor people. Poor people do not live in Ivory tower but near near immigrants. They are the the first to benefit from the “peace” known as Islam.

    29. TottenhamLad — on 10th May, 2006 at 3:54 pm  

      Another reason I vote for the BNP:

      Iraqi rapist may stay

    30. JB — on 16th May, 2006 at 6:28 pm  

      BNP all the way!! I couldn’t give a toss about ethnic minorities and am getting fed up with the mainstream parties going evermore to the left,crippled by political correctness and pandering to the ever increasing ethnic vote.The BNP are without doubt the future and will one day soon gain some real power.That day cannot come soon enough!! Good day.

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