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    Andrew Brons: the BNP’s other MEP


    by Rumbold on 8th June, 2009 at 9:16 am    

    Andrew Brons, the BNP’s MEP for the Yorkshire region, has a heartwarming backstory:

    “Brons, 61, started his nazi career in the National Socialist Movement, an organisation that was deliberately founded on Hitler’s birthday by Colin Jordan, the British nazi leader who died in April aged 85. NSM members were responsible for an arson campaign against Jewish property and synagogues in the 1960s.”

    So he’s a Nazi.

    “Brons was a prominent member of the National Front, notorious for its extreme racism and violence, from its early days and was voted onto its national directorate in 1974. Later as the NF’s education officer he hosted seminars on racial nationalism and tried to give its racism a more “scientific” basis.”

    And a liar.

    “He and another NF member were heard shouting slogans such as “Death to Jews”, “White Power” and “National Front”. When approached by PC John Raj, Brons stated: “inferior beings like yourself probably do not understand the principle of free speech”.

    Brons resigned as NF chairman in 1984 and later faded from public view. He has been a BNP member for around four years.”

    And a charmer.

    (Via Socialist Unity and Harry’s Place)



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    1. Andrew Brons: the BNP’s other MEP | Free Political Forum — on 8th June, 2009 at 9:22 am  

      [...] Original post by Rumbold [...]

    2. cjcjc — on 8th June, 2009 at 9:51 am  

      What an idiot.

      “inferior beings like yourself probably do not understand the principle of free speech”

      though with *some* style?!

    3. marvin — on 8th June, 2009 at 10:33 am  

      Have you heard him talk though? He’s posh and articulate! Bizarre watching his acceptance speech the BBC website, realising the man talking is yer real McCoy nazi guy.

    4. Jai — on 8th June, 2009 at 11:26 am  

      Regarding Brons’ NF and Nazi background, it’s exactly this sort of thing which needs to be exposed and given the maximum possible publicity in the British (and indeed international) media, as Ravi has correctly emphasised a couple of times recently.

    5. Pedram Safai — on 8th June, 2009 at 2:38 pm  

      i was actually a student of Andrew Brons at Harrogate College. He had no control over our class so i do not know how he has managed to become an elected member of european parliament. we had no idea he had such extremeist views, seemd quite a nice guy, almost a bit of a loser.

    6. jonny knight — on 8th June, 2009 at 2:45 pm  

      i was also a student with andrew brons and i felt that he was a top bloke good sense of humour and extremely patient and always willing to help congratulations big man

    7. Formulaic - Hard to know what to say. — on 8th June, 2009 at 2:48 pm  

      [...] days like this, I don’t really know what to say. Last night my region went and elected a former National Front leader and hatemonger to be our representative in the European [...]

    8. Northern Uproar « Max Dunbar — on 8th June, 2009 at 5:42 pm  

      [...] By maxdunbar So I wake up this morning to find that this piece of shit, and this other piece of shit, have been elected to the European Parliament. The Griffin result is a particular blow to me [...]

    9. Northern Uproar « Shiraz Socialist — on 8th June, 2009 at 5:45 pm  

      [...] elections, fascism, immigration) So I wake up this morning to find that this piece of shit, and this other piece of shit, have been elected to the European Parliament. The Griffin result is a particular blow to me [...]

    10. keir — on 8th June, 2009 at 5:56 pm  

      please someone send me the address of andrew brons to carverkm01@leedslearning.net

    11. billericaydicky — on 9th June, 2009 at 4:59 am  

      I can only assume that everyone posting here who is surprised By Bron’s history has never been involved in the anti fascist movement as his antecedence has been known for years.

      I remember him on platforms and marches in the seventies. There is a photo of him,Griffin and Martin Webster on http://www.socialistunity.com on one of the now many articles about the elections.

      The thing has to be put in perspective, it could have been much worse andit was only the massive Hope Not Hate campaign right across the country that held them to two.

      I just wonder how many people posting here and at other sites actually did anything bar tap a keyboard. Next May all of the seats they won around the country in 2006 are up for re-election and the campaign will be starting in January. People are needed so get involved. I was disgusted to see that the do nothings of Unite Against Fascism were on telly waving their placards in protest at the BNP getting the seats when they had done sod all through the camapign.

      Interesting post on http://www.obv.org.uk from Lee Jasper. It seems there is to be a new “black led” anti BNP initiative with, presumably Bro Lee as one of the full time paid leaders. Simon Wooley must be desperate if is allowing this clown net space.

      I thought Lee had given up and gone back to hustling around Notting Hill with his old mate and yardy enforcer Frank Critchlow. It’s a bit sad, like Ken he just can’t get used to the idea of being finished.

    12. Anton — on 9th June, 2009 at 6:42 am  

      A contrary opinion. I for one am delighted by the election of Messers Brons and Griffin. Obviously those with a vested interest in the destruction of Western civilization and Christian values will be disappointed, but for those of us who value decency, integrity, and honesty, these men will be a breath of fresh air. Well done.

    13. Ravi Naik — on 9th June, 2009 at 9:34 am  

      Obviously those with a vested interest in the destruction of Western civilization and Christian values will be disappointed, but for those of us who value decency, integrity, and honesty, these men will be a breath of fresh air. Well done.

      Racism and social exclusion based on race or ethnicity are not Christian values - they go directly against them according to the Church of England and the Vatican. Western civilization is based upon a liberal foundation, which centres on individual liberty, equality, capacities, and worth. Any group that wants to mould an identity and create a homogeneous group based on that identity goes against what we know to be Western civilisation. Honesty, integrity and decency are absolute opposites of: cheating, deceit, deception, dishonesty, falsehood and fraud.

      My point is that these men which you support are not a breath of fresh air: they stink. They got less votes than 2005 despite the climate, and it won’t be too difficult to put them out of their job in the next election.

    14. munir — on 9th June, 2009 at 9:41 am  

      Anton
      “A contrary opinion. I for one am delighted by the election of Messers Brons and Griffin. Obviously those with a vested interest in the destruction of Western civilization and Christian values will be disappointed, but for those of us who value decency, integrity, and honesty, these men will be a breath of fresh air. Well done”

      This is a stupid argument because if the BNP got their way ethnic minorities (eg west indians) and recent east european immigrants without whom the practice of Chrisianity in this country would be negligble, wouldnt be here. Neither incidentally would Jesus , a (pbuh) if he tried to enter a BNP Britain- he was middle eastern

      If you want “Christian values” why not vote for the Christian Alliance?

    15. Shamit — on 9th June, 2009 at 10:17 am  

      A contrary opinion. I for one am delighted by the election of Messers Brons and Griffin. Obviously those with a vested interest in the destruction of Western civilization and Christian values will be disappointed, but for those of us who value decency, integrity, and honesty, these men will be a breath of fresh air. Well done.

      As usual not having the intellectual competence to see through to the logical consequences of BNP policy you surround yourself in the idiot’s version of the “Utopian World”.

      And do you understand the meaning of the words decency, integrity and honesty? Because the values those words represent are polar opposites to those promoted by the BNP.

      Sorry Anton you are thick

    16. chairwoman — on 9th June, 2009 at 10:22 am  

      Neither incidentally would Jesus , a (pbuh) if he tried to enter a BNP Britain- he was middle eastern

      And Jewish!

    17. Ravi Naik — on 9th June, 2009 at 10:36 am  

      Neither incidentally would Jesus , a (pbuh) if he tried to enter a BNP Britain- he was middle eastern

      Although the BNP has opened its doors to European Jews (and a BNP Jewish councillor was elected), they would certainly rejected Jesus according to their constitution - Jesus does not belong to Anglo-Saxon or Celtic stock, and is not European for that matter. Yet Anton thinks that the BNP is the best organisation to safeguard the identity and values of a “racial foreigner” deity.

    18. persephone — on 9th June, 2009 at 10:38 am  

      ‘who value decency, integrity, and honesty’

      Not having these values is why Nick Griffin cannot attend the Queen’s garden party.

    19. persephone — on 9th June, 2009 at 10:40 am  

      I take it that the BNP policy would mean they consider those of Greek extraction as non indigenous. Does that mean the last few generations of the Royal family are also considered as immigrants by them?

    20. Jai — on 9th June, 2009 at 10:42 am  

      “A contrary opinion. I for one am delighted by the election of Messers Brons and Griffin. Obviously those with a vested interest in the destruction of Western civilization and Christian values will be disappointed, but for those of us who value decency, integrity, and honesty, these men will be a breath of fresh air. Well done”

      Yes Anton, because wishing to “purify” the country of The Other and return it to a mythical glorified Utopia in the past, denying the Holocaust, having a grossly distorted & fabricated understanding of recent, medieval, classical and ancient history, and possessing an inflated and highly misguided false notion of “superiority” with a racist attitude towards everyone you regard as being literally subhuman are all “Christian values” and what Jesus Christ embodied and preached.

      I think you may be getting matters confused with Al Qaeda or the Third Reich. That’s okay — it’s an easy mistake to make where Herr Griffin and the Schutzstaffel of the BNP are concerned.

    21. chairwoman — on 9th June, 2009 at 11:06 am  

      take it that the BNP policy would mean they consider those of Greek extraction as non indigenous. Does that mean the last few generations of the Royal family are also considered as immigrants by them?

      Sorry Persephone, but Philip was only Greek by adoption, the whole Royal Family are ethnically German.

    22. Tom — on 9th June, 2009 at 11:37 am  

      “Neither incidentally would Jesus , a (pbuh) if he tried to enter a BNP Britain- he was middle eastern”

      ‘Dirty renegade Jews, coming over here with their foreign religion, threatening our traditional pagan values and way of life…’

      “Philip was only Greek by adoption”

      And birth, which is important in this, since the standard anti-BNP view is that being born in Britain makes you British regardless of skin colour and ancestry, being born in Corfu makes him Greek regardless… etc.

      Not solely Greek, of course, but another part of being anti fascist is recognising that people want and have multiple cultural and national allegiances and it’s not the State’s role to enforce one.

      However, the main reason why the BNP are not going to bring a ‘breath of fresh air’ for ‘those of us who value decency, integrity, and honesty’ is because they blatantly, provably lie all the time, which sort of undermines all three.

    23. persephone — on 9th June, 2009 at 12:17 pm  

      Thanks Chairwoman @ 21

      I am not sure of that for a number of reasons as I am reading a book now which throws doubt in a number of ways as to origins.

      Modern research has shown that as many as 10% of the children born in some Western societies have a biological father who is not the officially documented father of the child. Any very long patrilineal descent is unlikely to be biologically accurate, even if the historical accuracy of the documentation for each link is irrefutable - as appears to be the case in royal families.

      And then tracing descent from antiquity is an ongoing challenge. But taking into account the well known rulers/invaders such as Alexander the Great, Darius, Cyrus the Great to name a few who believed in fusion (e.g. Alexander encouraged marriage b/n his entourage & the locals across the wide expanses he travelled) we may be more of a genetic mix than the documentation or family tree shows.

      Coupled with this, some of the reigning dynasties in antiquity used to fabricate lineage. Some lineage claims were propaganda to establish an emergent leader as royal by extolling the antiquity and nobility of their ancestry. In the Middle Ages, major royal dynasties of Europe claimed their descent from Caesar & Alexander.

      We may never know unless fool proof genetic testing is undergone of the individuals and a clear association is made to those in antiquity.

      This all presents obstacles for groups such as the BNP when they attempt to use terms such as immigrant and indigenous with any degree of certainty.

    24. Jemmy Hope — on 9th June, 2009 at 7:05 pm  

      … and Hitler’s male line ancestry remains a mystery.
      Is anything known about Brons’s lineage? His name sounds Jewish to me (Bronstein aka Trotsky, Eleanor Bron).

    25. Refresh — on 9th June, 2009 at 8:31 pm  

      Not really come across Brons before, obviously I had thought the dark days of having to know fascists by name had passed us; but have had the dubious honour (or rather my partner has) of being called a ‘lesbian’ by none other than John Tyndall.

      Tyndall and his bovver boys were testing the mood of our little market town and hadn’t accounted for my wife who made it quite clear they were not welcome. Soon the reprobates were surrounded by fellow concerned citizens. They never returned.

      Motto: Catch the early signs and have them surgically removed. Just like a cancer.

    26. Ravi Naik — on 9th June, 2009 at 9:16 pm  

      We keep hearing these stories:

      He [Andrew Brons] was my tutor at Harrogate College. I am absolutely stunned by this - I had no idea he had extreme right-wing views. He was kind and supportive to all students, and was extremely popular around the college.

      If I had known all those years ago as an 18 year old that he had been involved with the National Front, I would have probably held some kind of protest in his lectures!

      I am pretty shaken by this, I have to say. He was somebody I really looked up to and now I discover his abhorrent views many years later.

      The strange case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde?

    27. persephone — on 10th June, 2009 at 11:27 am  

      @ 24 A few etymology sites came up with this for Brons:

      Bron is Anglo-Saxon: meaning Brown or dark
      Bronson is Anglo-Saxon: meaning Son of the dark man
      Bronson in English: meaning Brown’s son.

      Bronowitz/Bronisz: Polish Patronymic Name. Owitz and owicz are typical patronymic endings applied to a given name in several languages of Slavic origin. Bronowitz would be the ’son of Bron.’ Bron, meant ‘defender.’ The surname Bronisz is taken directly from that given name.

      From an Arthurian names site:

      Bron [Boon, Brom, Brons, Gron, (H)ebron]

      The Fisher King and Maimed King in Robert de Boron’s Grail Cycle, represented in Robert’s Joseph and the Didot-Perceval. Bron married Enygeus, sister of Joseph of Arimathea, and accompanied Joseph on his trek from Judea to Britain. Joseph appointed him keeper of the Grail. His piety was reflected by the fact that he was able to sit in the Perilous Seat at the Grail Table.

      Perceval was Bron’s grandson. He fell ill when Perceval arrogantly sat in the Round Table’s Perilous Seat, and could be cured only by the Grail Question. Perceval failed in his first visit to Bron’s castle, but returned for a successful second visit. Bron was healed, passed the Grail on to Perceval, and died three days later. The author of the Vulgate Cycle, recognizing the centuries between Joseph of Arimathea’s time and Arthur’s, makes Bron an ancestor, but not the grandfather, of Perceval and Galahad. The Vulgate Estoire del Saint Graal names another of Bron’s sons as Joshua, and the Prose Tristan names two more as Naburzadan and Sador.

      The longer version of his name, Hebron, belongs to both a biblical city in Israel and a son of Kohath, whose family was responsible for care of the Ark of the Covenant. Proponents of a Celtic origin for the Grail have urged a connection with King Bran of Welsh legend and who was said, in a Triad, to have brought Christianity to Britain.

    28. Jemmy Hope — on 10th June, 2009 at 12:33 pm  

      Fascinating stuff. The Arthurian one should go down well with the Nazis, ancient and autochthonous - or are th Celts inferior to the Teutons?

    29. persephone — on 10th June, 2009 at 12:58 pm  

      @28 autochthonous - well I learnt a new word today

      I particularly like the association with it meaning the anglo saxon for being dark/brown

      As the BNP are so keen on origins they should all have a genetic test & the results published. I wonder what that would throw up.

    30. Patrick — on 10th June, 2009 at 4:34 pm  

      Hi Pedram

      Interesting that you were tought by Brons at Harrogate. What was he like towards BME/East European students?

    31. chairwoman — on 10th June, 2009 at 4:49 pm  

      Aren’t the BNP proponents of Odin worship?

      Surely Arthur himself was Romano/British so actually part Johnny Foreigner. I doubt whether he will be rising from his slumber to help Nick Griffin in his hour of need!

    32. teech — on 14th June, 2009 at 1:52 am  

      Forget all the politics. They’ve been elected. I am represented by the BNP…

      However, I am keen to go to an MEP surgery and ask questions of my elected representative. In fact I’m going to go and sit there and ask questions as soon as I am possibly allowed.

      Is there anything you guys would like me to ask my MEP?… Bear in mind that I am likely to record his answers and post them on my husband’s little blog of rants.

    33. Ravi Naik — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:18 am  

      Is there anything you guys would like me to ask my MEP?… Bear in mind that I am likely to record his answers and post them on my husband’s little blog of rants.

      Which MEP would that be? Nick Griffin or Andrew Brons?

    34. Student of Brons — on 14th June, 2009 at 11:42 am  

      Don’t remember any Eastern European students, but there was no indication in Brons’ classes that he had any animosity to anybody. And that included the solitary BME student.

    35. Jai — on 14th June, 2009 at 2:00 pm  

      Andrew Brons was on “The Big Question” this morning and was effectively taken apart by one of the panellists, Jonathan Bartley, Director of the think-tank Ekklesia.

    36. Ravi Naik — on 14th June, 2009 at 2:58 pm  

      Many thanks Jai - here is the link for anyone who missed it. And indeed Jonathan Bartley took them apart: he said he could think of 19 questions, but guess which one was his first? :)
      It is a pity that many in the panel felt that the BNP should not have a voice, specially the MCB.

    37. Don — on 14th June, 2009 at 3:17 pm  

      Thanks for the heads up, Jai. Just watched it on iplayer. Yes, Bartley was very good, and that BNP ‘vicar’ was no help to Brons. Did he think a tame dog-collar would lend an air of respectability?

      I liked one remark in particular - the BNP have a right to be heard, but not a right to be heard with respect.

    38. Jai — on 14th June, 2009 at 3:26 pm  

      Ravi,

      he said he could think of 19 questions, but guess which one was his first?

      Given the fact that, to my ears, it actually sounded like he said “90 questions” and followed it up with the very first question from my list here on PP (which was partly inspired by your own recent suggestion), it did make me smile too. These are exactly the type of questions that people need to very publicly ask the BNP.

      Speaking of which, the third part of my list will be published on PP later today. I think you’ll find it especially interesting, as it deals with many of the key issues you’ve already referred to in your own comments on the previous two related threads.

    39. Ravi Naik — on 14th June, 2009 at 5:32 pm  

      Here is Jon Stewart’s take on the BNP (fast forward to min 3:10). Watch Nick Griffin respond to the question of how you decide what indigenous means.

      I have to say that it is weird after 8 years of looking down at Americans for having elected a retard… to see how they are looking at us for having elected two fascists in the European parliament.

    40. tinderbox0 — on 14th June, 2009 at 9:23 pm  

      I was looking up where Brons’ name originated and came across this site on my way. Thought I’d return to it with what I turned up. Brons is a Dutch name from broem, brom ‘broom’, probably having a topographic meaning, although it may have been a nickname for a poor farmer, one whose land was covered with broom. The highpoint of immigration of members of the Brons family into the USA was in the period 1875-1880. I couldn’t turn up any data on when people with the surname Brons migrated to the UK, but it may be around the same period. However, on the 1891 UK census there were still only around 20 households comprised of immigrant families with the surname Brons.

    41. david — on 15th June, 2009 at 6:20 pm  

      Hi
      Andrew Brons family tree is relatively easy to look up as he left messages on family tree message boards. His mother Alice Spenner was the daughter of two german “immigrants” and was born in hackney london. Andrews dad Ronald had two german grandparents: cordt bruns and eliza froelich/frayley. Let me know if anyone wants the full details (the rest of his family are simpsons and richards from southern england)

      david

    42. Jemmy Hope — on 15th June, 2009 at 6:44 pm  

      One question exercises my mind - what is the BNP’s policy with regard to the chronically ill and the disabled? Is it the same as that of their political forebears of 1930s/40s Germany?
      In my view the BNP gets let off too easily as a result of this concentration on their racism. They have other, equally sinister policies that their ability to limit the area of debate helps them keep under wraps.

    43. Jemmy Hope — on 15th June, 2009 at 6:56 pm  

      Re David’s comment (no.41). Presumably Brons was formerly Bruns, possibly changed by a clerical misspelling on an official document, not uncommon. It’s also possible that the slight change gave the name a less teutonic look. if AB’s grandparent’s were resident in this country during World War I they might have been victims of anti-German feelings, even anti-German riots, possibly interned as enemy aliens.
      How ironic that would be.

    44. david — on 16th June, 2009 at 12:51 pm  

      Hi
      Yes they may have suffered anti-german feeling in Bethnal Green or Hackney. I ended up getting carried away and put the full thing on my website, click on my name to have a look or try http://www.wastedfood.co.uk/andrewbrons.html

      I actually did it before daily mail! made similar but very vague suggestions.

      Im just waiting till he makes a comment about “immigrants”.

    45. Leon — on 16th June, 2009 at 1:05 pm  

      In my view the BNP gets let off too easily as a result of this concentration on their racism. They have other, equally sinister policies that their ability to limit the area of debate helps them keep under wraps.

      That’s a fair point. Perhaps if we achieve success with this campaign, we can contact various campaign groups in those equalities strands and suggest they use the model?

    46. Jai — on 16th June, 2009 at 1:20 pm  

      Jemmy Hope,

      One question exercises my mind - what is the BNP’s policy with regard to the chronically ill and the disabled? Is it the same as that of their political forebears of 1930s/40s Germany?
      In my view the BNP gets let off too easily as a result of this concentration on their racism. They have other, equally sinister policies that their ability to limit the area of debate helps them keep under wraps.

      That’s a very good point. It was one of the areas addressed in Part One of the “85 Questions for the BNP” list, specifically Question 19:

      “How will a BNP government ensure the safety, protection and welfare of Britain’s current and future disabled population, considering that a senior member of the BNP has been on record as stating that he supports forced euthanasia of the handicapped, saying that “we live in a country today which is unhealthily dominated by an excess of sentimentality towards the weak and unproductive. No good will come of it,” in response to the death of David Cameron’s son in spring 2009?”

    47. Ravi Naik — on 16th June, 2009 at 1:47 pm  

      In my view the BNP gets let off too easily as a result of this concentration on their racism. They have other, equally sinister policies that their ability to limit the area of debate helps them keep under wraps.

      That’s true. In fact, focusing too much on their racial policies has two disadvantages: whites who would consider voting for the BNP at best do not care about excluding non-whites from society, and second the BNP has become pretty good at deflecting racist allegations. Still, I would say the “racist part” is useful for Asians and Blacks who decide to stay at home in the next election.

      We need to focus as well on why the BNP is bad for those potential supporters. People may be racist, but they do not necessarily vote for racist parties if they think their self-interests are at stake.

      specifically Question 19:

      This question gives the BNP the opportunity to clarify that that’s the opinion of one individual, and not part of the BNP policy. And that the BNP does care…, and that’s another media campaign against the BNP. Instead, I would just collect infamous BNP quotes (like the “rape” and the “infanticide”) and just parade them in a flier.

    48. Jemmy Hope — on 16th June, 2009 at 7:50 pm  

      I’m pleased to note that the question of policy on disability, etc., has been raised. I think the fact that I wasn’t aware of that, or the BNPer’s remark on the Cameron boy, suggests that this subject doesn’t get the airing in the mainstream press ‘BNP on race’ does.
      I have referred elsewhere to the recent BNP vote as composed of racists, paranoiacs and cretins, but I know that that is a simplification. There are people who feel disquiet at large-scale immigration, but from an economic, rather than a race/ethnicity/”culture” viewpoint. If these voters can be dissuaded from swelling the numbers registering support for the BNP (even as a gesture of protest) by shining a light into murky corners it should be tried.



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