nice country you have))) I’m jealous)))

tolerating Anjem Choudary full of hatred towards all non-muslim people, praising Mumbai attack and not letting Weert Wilders in because peer Ahmed dislikes him – if it is not ISLAMIZATION then WHAT

(Stoke-on-Kent, England) Two boys were disciplined for not kneeling in prayer to Allah during religious diversity education.
Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and ‘pray to Allah’ during a religious education lesson.

Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent – which included wearing Muslim headgear – was a breach of their human rights.
In a statement, the Cheshire County Council said, “Educating children in the beliefs of different faith is part of the diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is essential to understanding.”

It appears that religious diversity education in Britain concentrates exclusively on having infidels learning to pray to Allah. There are no reports of Muslims being required to take Holy Communion.

modern tolerancy policy is insane. because it helps the minorities intimidate the native citisens. comparing with facism is stupid, Islam is the modern Facism

what Islamization is? it’s my mistake to come to asian racists forum and to speak of islamization, I can see it now (initially I thought that it is general forum)
you will deny everithing in advance.

more muslims in EU, parasirizing in taxpayers, hating them, commiting crime against them, the oppression on free speech against that plaque, labelling it a @racism@ and other stupidity – if it is not islamization, when what?

have you heard of some christians in islamic countries on governmental posts?

And Munir’s point in #134 is spot-on too. That’s basically what I was getting at earlier.

“but is there at least one normal person, non-muslim?
if I lived in Britain I would vote for BNP, or Wilders and so on – shame on you british people! do you like what’s going on in your country?

you are so scared to be called racists for resisting islamization? yeah, you are no racists, you are the slaves to Islam and so-called tolerancy”

Care to explain what this “Islamization” is? Muslims are under represented in every area of power (economic, political, media, militray) in Europe – yet you claim Europe is being “Islamized”!!! Insane

yes I believe many Europeans did the same in the 30s to resist “Judaization”. There were numerous books written on the subject. Didnt really work out too well for anyone.

all over the world Muslim Extrimests kill people of other faiths – is that what you call “make their lives difficult”? you are disgusting! you should read more, not only lying pro-muslim media

recently in Pakistan Christian man was killed because drinking a cup of tea in muslim cafe!

that is CHRISITANOPHOBIA

by the way Choundary call for killing non-muslims

Shamit
Jai -Thats a good idea mate

It is . Al Muhajiroun are abhorred in the Muslim community but many Muslims cant see why they for example (and probably in future HT) are banned for hate speech while groups like the BNP are allowed to preach hatred against Muslims. The double standard is galling.

It is also harder to convince younger Muslims not to go down the path of extremism when 1 million non-Muslims voted for a party that wishes to expel Muslims- and its even worse on the continent. As Gary Yonge said about “the Muslim threat” more Europeans vote for far right Islamophobic parties than there are Muslims in Europe.

I dont have much time for Anjem Choudhury but to compare religious extremists to racial ones is misguided. Extremist Christian or Muslim groups if they took power could well make life difficult and restrictive for religious minority groups . Extremist racial groups like the BNP would exterminate them

Its like comparing the fate of European Jews under Christianity and under Nazism. Pretty big difference.

“I’m based in the north-east, so I’m fucking outraged by the fucking fucks who voted for the BNP up north. In Newcastle, where I currently live, the Mayoral elections saw the BNP get 3,398 votes, and the National Front 1,086! Fair enough people are dismayed by politics, but this is a tragedy.”

“агслштп fucks”? maybe what’s why we voted for BNP – because you call them “fucking fucks”?

maybe the are tired or crimes, made by such haters like you, and ignored by media?

or tired of muslims?

I would be definitely tired of mislims if they were behaving so disgustingly in my country.

voting for someone is people’s right and it should be respected.

guys, are you really so brainwashed multicaltural nothing ar it just seens to me?

but is there at least one normal person, non-muslim?
if I lived in Britain I would vote for BNP, or Wilders and so on – shame on you british people! do you like what’s going on in your country?

you are so scared to be called racists for resisting islamization? yeah, you are no racists, you are the slaves to Islam and so-called tolerancy

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I’m going to repeat what I said in #112 above, as I think it’s an other critical point that needs to be circulated and emphasised as widely as possible:

65 years ago — an anniversary which was commemorated just a few days ago — the British at the time sent soldiers to Europe in order to stop Nazis from coming here, and now some modern-day British people have sent Nazis to Europe as politicians.

Similarly, exactly 65 years ago, the general British policy in relation to Nazis was “Kill or capture”, whereas we now have Holocaust-denying British Nazis giving interviews on the news and throwing up faux-Churchillian victory “V signs”, and some of their followers even turning up here on PP and declaring their support on online news blogs owned by the Times, the Independent etc.

The British population as a whole — both those who voted for/support the BNP and everyone else in this country — needs to grasp the fact that these are 21st century Nazis trying to seize power in Britain. They are the real thing.

If you support them, then that makes you identical to someone who supported Hitler’s efforts during WW2, and it spits on the memory of everyone on the side of the Allies who fought and died in that conflict, it stabs in the back all those British people in the present day whose relatives fought and/or died in WW2, it makes a mockery of this country’s annual D-Day anniversary celebrations, and it’s a betrayal of the worst kind towards those brave, elderly military veterans who are still alive.

Anyone else reading this is more than welcome to duplicate everything I’ve just said above on any other internet discussion forums or blogs. Go for it.

Jai -Thats a good idea mate

While I abhore their views too, is this enough reason to ban them?

Possibly, considering their end-game and Nick Griffin’s network of fellow ideologues both in the US and in Europe, which whom he is now attempting to form an international coalition.

(There also some similarities to a certain banned Islamist organisation in the UK too, outlawed for similar reasons and with similar aspirations. Nick Griffin is basically the English version of Anjem Choudary).

Or prosecute them for treason. Or any of the other measures that their UK-based Islamist counterparts have been threatened with or which have actually been implemented.

Or anyone else who has expressed unpleasant views and/or support for Britain’s historical enemies

Al-Muhajiroun.

“Given the admiration for Hitler’s junta and their Neo-Nazi ideology (and affiliation with similar groups internationally) on the part of various members of the BNP’s “High Command”, the BNP are effectively traitors and, as far as I’m concerned, so is everyone who voted for them.”

While I abhore their views too, is this enough reason to ban them? After all, no one to my knowledge has called for Diane Abbot to be banned from public office, even though she simpers over mass murderers:

http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2008/05/why-does-bbc-give-diane-abbott-airtime.html

Or anyone else who has expressed unpleasant views and/or support for Britain’s historical enemies (see Tony Benn et al.)?

So what? They still persecuted people based upon their own arbitrary criteria. How much less of a crime is that?

Comparing in relative terms different empires on how tolerant they were really is quite silly, because almost every empire in history has persecuted people to some degree.

You seem to have misunderstood my motivations (which should have been obvious, because I clearly spelt them out earlier in response to Hantsboy’s mutterings about the Romans).

However, since it needs re-iterating: I am not holding up the Romans as a paragon of imperial tolerance. They were a group of self-glorifying, expansionist thugs who, for all their advanced ideas about politics, philosophy and technology, did not view the Indians, Persians or the Chinese as viable targets for conquest because all of the latter were at the very least their own equals in terms of their military capability to defend themselves, along with their own levels of wealth, political/philosophical development, the extent of territory under their control, and so on. Under different circumstances, I have no doubt that Roman attitudes would have been considerably more hostile (but again, note that presumptions of race would not be a factor here).

I am simply drawing attention to the fact that — for all their brutality — the Romans were generally not racists, especially towards some groups that the BNP and their supporters believe themselves (and all other Europeans) to be intrinsically racially superior to, specifically for the benefit of members of the latter who glorify the Romans as “fellow members of the European race” and, along with the Greeks, as people amongst the major founders of European civilisation as per their understanding of it.

By the way, I’m not white but I am Christian. You seem to have jumped to the classic mistake of thinking I am white based upon my religion.

I made no references whatsoever to your presumed ethnicity or your presumed religious affiliation.

However, given the way that so many early Christians were treated by the Romans and indeed the fate of Jesus himself, I can appreciate why your views of the Romans would not be particularly favourable. You would be completely justified in this stance.

And while we’re on this topic, I’ve frequently been struck by the paradox of many racist British imperialists from the Victorian era conspiciously trying to emulate the Roman precedent (in fact, there are historical records of some of British colonialism’s staunchest advocates pompously declaring “We are Romans”) whilst simultaneously promoting Christian evangelism and indeed claiming to be pious Christians themselves; perhaps the inherent contradiction was somewhat less than obvious to them, despite the glaring irony from the perspective of more objective eyes.

The BNP are first and foremost a racist party, not a religious party. Their attempts to play the religious card are futile because the majority of (practicing) Christians still do not heed their call. Of course, a few gullible white Christians may be attracted to them. But being racist is inimical to what Jesus taught.

Exactly, which is why all this needs to be flagged up as many times as possible and as loudly as possible. And also why you and I are actually very much on the same side

So what? They still persecuted people based upon their own arbitrary criteria. How much less of a crime is that?

Comparing in relative terms different empires on how tolerant they were really is quite silly, because almost every empire in history has persecuted people to some degree.

By the way, I’m not white but I am Christian. You seem to have jumped to the classic mistake of thinking I am white based upon my religion.

The BNP are first and foremost a racist party, not a religious party. Their attempts to play the religious card are futile because the majority of (practicing) Christians still do not heed their call. Of course, a few gullible white Christians may be attracted to them. But being racist is inimical to what Jesus taught.