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    Still making excuses for religious extremists


    by Sunny on 4th June, 2009 at 12:57 pm    

    Oh look, ex-Muslim Council of Britain honcho Inayat Bunglawala has written an article not only arguing for free speech for the extremist group al-Muhajiroun, but also chiding Luton Muslims for driving away those idiots last week!

    Amusing to watch a man, until recently obsessed with telling everyone how free speech and Islamophobia was hurting Muslims, now singing like a canary about how great freedom of expression is. Inayat Bunglawala’s two-faced hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Yesterday’s Independent carried an excellent article: Luton fights back against right-wing extremists. It mentions that many of Luton’s ordinary Muslims had to face constant hassle and goading from extremists from the al-Muhajiroun/al-Ghuraaba lot. The demo against British soldiers was clearly the straw that broke the camel’s back and the following week they drove the extremists off the Mosque. Good on them.

    Religious fanatics of all stripes have always been a cancer on minority communities because of their willingness to use intimidation and stop them from speaking out. Obviously many of the people who attended the Luton mosque had enough and took matters into their hands to reclaim their space. What else were they supposed to do? But no! That’s soooo terrible for our fanboy for free speech! Inayat thinks that somehow these “morons” will be driven off the street by magic, despite the fact they love the publicity, without the communities actually standing up to their actions. No really! Just as al-Muhajiroun announce they’re coming back, somehow they’re going to listen to his enlightened thoughts and decide that it’s probably best to shut the fuck up and sit at home.

    Or Inayat could recognise that the Luton fightback against the al-Ghuraaba sect, if translated into something far wider, could be the best bit of PR British Muslims could get for years.

    Also: A new website commemorates Britain’s Muslim Soldiers (nothing about beheading them honest, lol).



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    1. platinum786 — on 4th June, 2009 at 1:08 pm  

      Would Inayat have the same opinion of the BNP setup a stall in the area and were told to F-off?

      The fact of the matter is, groups like HT, Al Mouhaijroun, the BNP, and others, tend not to be breaking the law in their existance and their activities, but what they do is encourage the mentality that will help people cross that line.

      Can the state act against these groups? Perhaps, but they’re the murky waters of the thought police.

    2. munir — on 4th June, 2009 at 1:48 pm  

      “Amusing to watch a man, until recently obsessed with telling everyone how free speech and Islamophobia was hurting Muslims, now singing like a canary about how great freedom of expression is. Inayat Bunglawala’s two-faced hypocrisy knows no bounds. ”

      Free speech doesnt hurt Muslims: Islamophobia does. they are two seperate things

      Actually you are mistaken - Inayat has called for Islamophobes like Gert Wilders or works of art attacking islam etc not to be banned and to be allowed to speak

      Was this written by Sunny or Sid ?

    3. mysteryman — on 4th June, 2009 at 2:00 pm  

      Inyat is so blinded by his own insidious agenda that he would be unable to apply consistency if his miserable life depended upon it. The independent article is a good read although the headline is terribly inaccurate as the alleged “fightback” is against Islamist extremists rather than right wing extremists. I’m not sure how much of a ‘moderate’ Farasat Latif and his crew at the calltoislam website truly are though. They make a big deal of “luton muslims against extremism” but continue to host documents on the very same website that encourages attacks on jews and host another lovely piece called Women Are Deficient In Their Intellect. Hardly the modern tolerant Muslims they’re trying to present themselves as.

    4. sonia — on 4th June, 2009 at 2:04 pm  

      Mind you, Inayat has admitted he was wrong back in the day when he joined the burn the rushdie book crew. At the Dialogue with Islam event, to be fair to Inayat, he did say he’s learnt Muslims don’t do themselves any favours by being against freedom of speech as allowed within the law(i.e. speech is hateful etc.) He did encourage Muslims to get ‘involved’ and instead of ‘banning’ someone else, express themselves and their point of view whatever that is. It seemed sensible what he was saying.

      ( i suppose within the legal bounds of ‘expression’!)

      I suppose in this case if one feels that they are inciting people to hatred, then that’s outside the legal bounds of freedom of speech anyway, so..should be argued on that account.

    5. damon — on 4th June, 2009 at 2:21 pm  

      I really liked those first two pictures in the Daily Mail article that Sunny linked to in the second link.

      In the first one, can you tell when you look at those faces, who are the brainwashed?

      In the first Daily Mail photo, my money would go on the white with ginger hair towards the center right of the photo, followed by a couple of black African looking gues towards the center of the photo.

      In the second Daily Mail photo I feel flightly concerned about whether the two fingers being direcdted towards the cameras (and those very young muslim boys who have turned out to see what’s happening) are pro or anti.
      It’s important.

    6. munir — on 4th June, 2009 at 2:27 pm  

      Sunny you clearly havent read what Inayat has written on this issue and are being unfair to him

      “Those of us – including me – who marched and called for the book (Satanic Verses) to be pulped/banned were in the wrong. Calls for pulping or banning the book gave rise to understandable fears about increased censorship and intolerance. A more sensible response would have been to just ignore the book or to write a proper rejoinder pointing out Rushdie’s shortcomings in his fictional treatment of the Prophet Muhammad and allow readers to then make up their own minds.

      It is more than ironic that the 20th anniversary of the fatwa should coincide with another free speech controversy, this time involving the leader of the Dutch Freedom party, Geert Wilders. Wilders has sought to make political capital with his anti-Muslim outbursts including calling for the Qur’an to be banned and describing the Prophet Muhammad as “the devil” while advocating the closure of Islamic schools and the halting of the building of mosques.

      The Muslim Council of Britain has issued a statement in which it deplores Wilder’s views and come as close as it is possible to get to supporting the Home Office’s decision to bar Wilders without actually explicitly saying so.

      I think they have made a mistake. Wilders is without doubt an anti-Muslim bigot, but the Home Office was still wrong to issue an order denying him entry to the UK.

      As I argued in the case of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, if Wilders broke any of our laws while on his visit he could always have been prosecuted. By denying Wilders entry, our government has allowed Wilders to portray himself as a (wholly undeserving) martyr for free speech. The government has got itself into a terrible pickle by arbitrarily deciding who can and cannot come into the country.”

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/12/rushdie-fatwa-islam

    7. munir — on 4th June, 2009 at 2:34 pm  

      damon
      “In the first one, can you tell when you look at those faces, who are the brainwashed?

      In the first Daily Mail photo, my money would go on the white with ginger hair towards the center right of the photo, followed by a couple of black African looking gues towards the center of the photo.”

      My money Damon would go on the Policeman in the third picture I mean look at him - he looks like a mad brainwashed zombie!!

      Er hold on a minute maybe deciding what a person is like from a photo is totally idiotic - what do you think Damon?

      Reminds me of the “he looks evil” “he looks guilty”
      dialogue of tabloid idiots

    8. billericaydicky — on 4th June, 2009 at 2:38 pm  

      It’s news to us in the East End that Al Mouhajiroun had ceased to exist and was being reformed. Everyone down here thinks that they simply changed their name to Islamic Forum Europe and are now running Tower Hamlets Council.

      Interesting developments in the ruling Labour Group yesterday. It seems that at a meeting of the Leadership Advisory Board in the afternoon the leader, Lutfor Rahman, sacked the Chief Executive.

      Now Mr Rahman and co keep some interesting company. Last October he was photographed coming out of a secret meeting at the Town Hall with the Immam of the Kabba in Mecca. Nothing strange about that you might say except that the gentleman concerned, Sheikh Abdur Rahman al Sudeis, is known for comparing Jews to pigs and has called for a jihad to get infidels out of Iraq.

      He has been banned from entering the States on several occasions and is, it seems, permanently banned from Canada. When questioned by the East London Advertiser which published the photo Rahman said he had no idea who the Sheikh was and he had just dropped in for a cup of tea!

      Then last week, presumably for a cup of tea, Lutfur Rahman and several other leading lights in Jihadi politics in Tower Hamlets spent a week in Mecca as a guest of the Sheikh arriving on the 21st and arriving back a few days ago just in time to sack the CE.

      Besides all of this gadding around the Islamic world at whose expense we don’t know, Lutfor is currently the receipient of a lot of local flack after he gave plum jobs to four of the defectors from the SWP branch of Respect in the borough.

      This was a part of the deal to get himself re-elected as leader a couple of weeks ago. I am afriad that too much attention has been paid to Pakistani orientated Jihadis and not enough to what is happening in the East End. One of those on the jew bashing jolly up to Mecca was Hira Islam who is the link man between the Lutfor Labour group and the East London Mosque.

      He is a middle ranking council official in social sevrvices and the owner of the Halal Bite restaurant at 198 Mile End Rd. The entire building is owned by IFE and its web site lists it as its European headquarters.

      Now the Halal Bite is interesting for other reasons. A couple of days after he was suspended as a civil servant Azad Ali was photographed having a late night meeting with Lutfor Rahman and others linked to extremist groups at the restaurant. It was also used for a celebration meal after Lutfor won the election for leader.

      Poor old Inayat Bonkerswallah isn’t having too good a press at the moment is he? The MCB is also conveniently situated in Cavell St E1 midway between the Mosque and IFE headquarters, yes it’s all happening down in E1 at the moment! Part of his problem, like all of the leaders, is that he has to appear as a Jew and Infidel basher to the faithful but come across as the moderate community leader to the British establishment.

      It is getting more and more difficult to do this as he is finding out to his cost. Put the Sheikh into wikipedia and I will forward Sunny a photo of he and Lutfor together. Hope you all got out and voted.

    9. munir — on 4th June, 2009 at 3:05 pm  

      billeracy dicky

      “It’s news to us in the East End that Al Mouhajiroun had ceased to exist and was being reformed. Everyone down here thinks that they simply changed their name to Islamic Forum Europe and are now running Tower Hamlets Council.”

      Only idiots like you do. The utter falsity of what you say has been exposed before yet you continue to

      IFE are an outgrow of Jamat Islami. They are distinctly different from al-Muhajirin. IFE believe it is OK to run for elections and have had run ins with al muhajiroun over this.

      Al Muhajiroun consider Muslims voting and even more so taking part in elections as candidates to be an act of apostatsy that makes you a non Muslim. They ran a whole campaign called “Stay Muslim dont vote” at the last election. Yet you want us to believe they are at the same time running as candidates? Retard alert!!!

      If this was the case why has Tower Hamlets Council banned HT the forerunner of al Muhajiroun?
      Can you explain dicky?

      “Just down the way from the Whitechapel underground stop in the heart of Britain’s largest Muslim neighborhood, the young men of the Al-Muhajiroun movement had set up a campaign stand.

      The message, referring to the June 10 elections for local government and the European Parliament, was blunt: “Stay Muslim. Don’t vote.”” “Democracy is an act of apostasy. Integration is a failure for Muslims,” one of the pamphleteers said, declining to give his name

      Then again you believe Muslims are plotting to take over Europe so you are clearly nuts
      Youre extremely odd - an anti-BNP campaigner who spouts the same rubbish as the BNP!

    10. Andrew — on 4th June, 2009 at 3:12 pm  

      Looks to me like Inayat has swung from wanting to ban everything to the other extreme of allowing ‘free speech’ for everyone! So far as the situation in Luton goes, it does appear to be a case of conservative Salafis taking on radical Salafis. No ‘moderates’ there, but I would prefer the first lot to the second lot! Does Inayat still speak on behalf of the MCB? He slagged them off over MINAB in a Guardian CiF piece he did recently.

    11. Batley Muslim — on 4th June, 2009 at 4:15 pm  

      I had a bash at Bungle on CIF and it seems that after Inyat reminded me that he could look after himself

      Yes, I am and I’m glad you recognise the fact. Btw, if you really are a Muslim then I am really and truly Elvis Presley.”

      Every post of mine has now been deleted on that thread and I now find my posts have to go through moderation. It appears that to the Plastic mullahs at the MCB free speech is only available to them and anybody who speaks out against them must be censored.

      On that note I wonder if Bungle would like to meet me for a coffee and a chat (And I do mean a chat) NAh Bungle would wet his M and S (Isn’t that a crime Inyat?) Knickers and call in the Police.

      But then he does claim I cannot be a Muslim so as to character assassinate me.

      What is it with the MCB and their inability to take criticism

    12. Sunny — on 4th June, 2009 at 4:26 pm  

      What is it with the MCB and their inability to take criticism

      They were born with that instinct.

    13. Faisal — on 4th June, 2009 at 5:08 pm  

      Was this written by Sunny or Sid ?

      Sunny. Sid now writes exclusively at the Spittoon.

      Incidentally munir, the IFE and al-Muhajiroon are indeed totally different entities and your statement that the IFE is an offshoot of the Jamaat-e-Islami is correct. But your attempts at whitewashing the IFE as cuddly democracy loving East Enders is noted for its amusement value.

      On paper, al-Muhajiroon are a bunch of posturing cranks who glorify terrorism for effect and yes the Jamaat engage in democracy. However, in real terms, the Jamaat and its various fronts such as the ‘Shibir’ (its students wing) for example have a history of terrorism to its credit and Jamaat has a legacy of blood and mass-murder on its hands.

      You might be getting away with blowing smoke up arses here but I’d like to see you try that on the Spittoon.

    14. Don — on 4th June, 2009 at 5:21 pm  

      Blowing smoke up an arse on a spittoon?

      Man, I haven’t had my tea yet. Take it easy on the grotesque imagery.

    15. Faisal — on 4th June, 2009 at 5:24 pm  

      evocative huh?

    16. dave bones — on 4th June, 2009 at 9:25 pm  

      hmm. Interesting article about Luton, you can see their point if they suffer for what others say near their mosque. I’ve always thought the biggest problem in these things is simple- groups of blokes. Get a bunch of men together you have a testosterone problem. I have no opinion about Mr Banglawala as I have never met him but I don’t disagree with what he says in this article.

    17. dave bones — on 4th June, 2009 at 9:38 pm  

      If governments (even governments who aren’t involved in attacking Muslims in Muslim countries) start banning people for what they say it creates an unnatural and unsupportable definition of free speech.

      Free speech might as well be free speech and at times like this it is only more important that it is so, I can’t see anything else being workable or a good idea.

    18. Faisal — on 4th June, 2009 at 9:43 pm  

      I have no opinion about Mr Banglawala as I have never met him but I don’t disagree with what he says in this article.

      I don’t either. In fact this is one of Bunglawala’s better articles. He is saying that the al-Macaroons are perfectly entitled to freedom of speech and he is of course right, it should not be otherwise. Sunny says that Bungle is “now singing like a canary about how great freedom of expression is”. Well yeah, why should he be criticised for that?

    19. Wordup — on 4th June, 2009 at 10:14 pm  

      It seems to me that billeraydickey, Faisal and the rest of the merry band of self-appointed anti-Islamists are nothing more than the stormtroopers for factions within the murkey world of Tower Hamlets Labour politics. There is a Faustian pact between islamophobes and certain Labour party members terrified at losing their grip on power (with no support amongst Bangladeshis) and the vote going to Tories or the BNP. They lost out to the internecine warfare for power within the Tower Hamlets Labour Party and are now resorting to smear and bluster (just like the kind you are supposed to be opposed to Sunny when you rail against neocons) to won power.

      Sour grapes.

    20. Boyo — on 5th June, 2009 at 6:48 am  

      ? I thought they drove the Islamists out because they brought the wrath of the mob upon them not because they were offended by the anti-troops demo?

    21. Boyo — on 5th June, 2009 at 6:55 am  

      oh, I see Bungle says the same thing - it’s absurd to ignore that Sunny. As for freedom of expression etc it’s all armchair liberal nonsense - you may not have noticed but communalism has arrived in the UK, and when it does fists begin flying.

    22. billericaydicky — on 5th June, 2009 at 8:01 am  

      I see Munir is running the Hocaust Denial Defence (HDD). What this entails is to take an overwhelming case for a proposition, the most famous being the extermination of the European Jews, finding the tiniest discrepancy and then claiming that the whole never happened. He would get on famously with David Irving except that Irving would have made a much better job than he.

      My information from Tower Haemlets sources that I have known for thirty years is that the IFE group now controlling the Labour Party is derived from Al Muj. What noonehas done is to take the very serious allegations that I have made and dealt with them and the reason why no one can is because they are true.

      And As Sir Trev MacDonut would say “some news just in”. It seems the sacking of the Chief Executive is linked to the freehold of the land that the East London Mosque and Islamic centre stands on is owned by Tower Hamlets and the title was to passed over to the Mosque incrementally at a certain per centage a year. Rahman has demanded that it be transfered in total and at once which would mean that the original deed would have to be redrawn which would mean a lengthy process with all sorts of objections. The CE was against this move and was sacked, apparently on the orders of IFE.

      This one is going to be interesting especially as last year Rahman tried to get a particularly vicious bit of amti semitism through by means of street improvements.

      At the rear of the centre is the oldest functioning Synagogue in the East End in Fieldgate Street. It is now completely surrounded by the Islamic complex and there has been constant harassment of the Minyan or quorum of Jews praying there.

      What the ” improvements” were to be included an Arabic themed mosaic set into the pavement outside the front door of the Synagogue which the Jews would have had to walk over to get inside to pray. This was leaked to the East London Advertiser, everybody went ballistic and the plan was dropped.

      Should be interesting this one, I’ll keep you briefed as it moves along. Munir, you can’t get your head around how someone can be an anti fascist and yet not an apologist for the more extreme forms of Islamic anti semitism and hatred of the West. I can only assume that the whites you know are all of the guilt tripped variety who are forever apologising for slavery and the colour of their skins or the manic Trots in things like Stop The War who call people who bomb lines of people waiting to vote “insurgents”.

      I am sorry to disillusion you but there is a different reality out here. It is called the real world, welcome.

    23. munir — on 5th June, 2009 at 8:34 am  

      Faisal

      “Incidentally munir, the IFE and al-Muhajiroon are
      indeed totally different entities and your statement that the IFE is an offshoot of the Jamaat-e-Islami is correct”

      Yeah Im really going to be pleased with an endorsement from an ignoramous who thinks Salafi and Wahabbi are two different groups and that Sufi and ulema are mutually exclusive!

      ” However, in real terms, the Jamaat and its various fronts such as the ‘Shibir’ (its students wing) for example have a history of terrorism to its credit and Jamaat has a legacy of blood and mass-murder on its hands. ”

      True they do. But which political party doesnt? You seriously think engaging in democracy and in terrorism/ mass murder are exclusive? Ever heard of the Labour Party ?

      ” But your attempts at whitewashing the IFE as cuddly democracy loving East Enders is noted for its amusement value. ”
      “You might be getting away with blowing smoke up arses here but I’d like to see you try that on the Spittoon.”

      Typical Faisal/Sid insanity- he invents his opponents argument then knocks down the straw man. Is Spitton full of people like you? Ignoramouses who think their Muslim names make them experts on Islam when they know s*d all about it? You arent even able to say basic Islamic phrases correctly!!!

      “Sid now writes exclusively at the Spittoon.”

      Great glad your gone. Spitton? Its tag should be “sh*t name for a sh*t writer”

    24. munir — on 5th June, 2009 at 8:36 am  

      billeracy dicky you are too stupid to debate with

      “My information from Tower Haemlets sources that I have known for thirty years is that the IFE group now controlling the Labour Party is derived from Al Muj”

      “This was leaked to the East London Advertiser, everybody went ballistic and the plan was dropped. ”

      In other words you believe everything you read or are told

    25. billericaydicky — on 5th June, 2009 at 9:09 am  

      The problem you have with this one Munir was I saw and passed to the East London Advertiser the actual council documents which detailed the mosaic, where it was to be and the cost. Your running HDD instead of dealing with what I say. If I root around in my study I can find them but I rather think that Sunny won’t putthem up here.

      Incidently Sunny, did you get the photo I forwarded to you of the Immam of the Kabba coming out of his secret meeting with Lutfor Rahman?

    26. damon — on 5th June, 2009 at 9:32 am  

      Munir @ 7, I wasn’t being entirely serious when I asked ”can you tell who the brainwashed are?” in those Daily Mail photos. But in the first one the picture is right there as two different groups clashed, and I was wondering if the majority of people facing the camera were of the idiot Islamist faction or the more level headed people who were telling them to clear off and stop misrepresenting Islam and Muslims.

      It is somewhat prejudiced of me because I can’t be sure, but I was looking at the faces and doing just that. ‘Spot the nutty Islamist’ - was it wrong of me to be doing that? It’s my guess that many of the guys facing the camera are the Islamist guys, and if I’m wrong I should apoligise for getting it wrong, but I’ve seen guys like that outside Regent’s Park Mosque after friday prayers once, urging people to go to Pakistan and join the Taleban and such nonsense. One of them was a white guy with a shaved head and a big beard too.

      It’s particulary important to highlight the fact that these noisy Islamists are potentially harming children, as teenaged minds can be turned by hot headed Islamist preaching. In the second photo there are some teenaged boys clearly at this event.
      As a tactic, I think an accusation of ”gromming our kids” should be put to the extremists. ”Stay away from our kids” they should be told. As anything to do with the welfare of children is very serious it might put them on the back foot a bit.

      And Munir, I know my guessing game was a bit stupid, but if it was a picture of BNP people and anti-fascists you (one) might play that game a bit too.
      When ever you see BNP people, there is often something about them that gives them away.
      In fact, on sunday when I was showing an Indian student around and we were in the Isle of Dogs, maybe unfairly, I pointed out this white guy too her who was getting some beers in a shop we were in. From his dress of Adidas track suit pants and pink Fred Perry T shirt, to his baseball cap (and the way he walked), I pointed out to this woman (new to Britain), that whether he was or not he ”looked” like a typical working class, football team supporting BNP sympathiser. Maybe he was nothing of the kind, but I prejudged him that way.

    27. Adnan — on 5th June, 2009 at 9:39 am  

      Bill @25. So the issue was that it’s a waste of money ? Nothing unreasonable in arguing that.

      I’m trying to understand why you say is it anti-semitic. Was the text going to contain anti-semitic messages ?

    28. Faisal — on 5th June, 2009 at 9:54 am  

      Yeah Im really going to be pleased with an endorsement from an ignoramous who thinks Salafi and Wahabbi are two different groups and that Sufi and ulema are mutually exclusive!

      Do you think that’s quite the effective comeback you think it is, coming as it is from a man who who once exclaimed that there was no such thing as Wahhabism; that it was merely a term of abuse used against Salafism? Doh!

      True they do. But which political party doesnt? You seriously think engaging in democracy and in terrorism/ mass murder are exclusive? Ever heard of the Labour Party ?

      The Labour Party indulge terrorist splinter groups who use terrorist violence on its own civilians? News to me. Care to tell us their names or do we have to make do with your counterfactual victim-speak?

      And while you’re at it, let us know which overseas based political fronts that are advocating terrorism are being patronised by the Labour Party. Apart from the Jamaat and its British front, the IFE of course.

      Typical Faisal/Sid insanity- he invents his opponents argument then knocks down the straw man.
      You do realise that accusing someone of using strawman arguments without elaboration is a straw man in itself, don’t you?

      Is Spitton full of people like you? Ignoramouses who think their Muslim names make them experts on Islam when they know s*d all about it? You arent even able to say basic Islamic phrases correctly!!!
      Great glad your gone. Spitton? Its tag should be “sh*t name for a sh*t writer”

      Good to see that the Spittoon is having the desired effect - riling braindead Islamists like yourself. Sad to see your brand of poison has found a home on PP though.

    29. munir — on 5th June, 2009 at 11:33 am  

      billeracy dicky

      “Munir, you can’t get your head around how someone can be an anti fascist and yet not an apologist for the more extreme forms of Islamic anti semitism and hatred of the West.”

      Ah yes dicky but you just use claiming to oppose anti-semitism as a device to hide behind Muslim bashing the BNP would be proud of - I mean you stated Muslims want to take over the world and you say Muslims shouldnt have equality with Jews in having their own religious sanctioned courts

    30. Faisal — on 5th June, 2009 at 11:47 am  

      I mean you stated Muslims want to take over the world and you say Muslims shouldnt have equality with Jews in having their own religious sanctioned courts

      Muslim legal scholars such as Abdullahi an-Na’im also believe that British Muslims should not have fall for the “illusion” of having Shari’a courts.

      Tell us, munir, how that makes him a “Muslim-basher”.

    31. munir — on 5th June, 2009 at 11:51 am  

      Faisal
      “Do you think that’s quite the effective comeback you think it is, coming as it is from a man who who once exclaimed that there was no such thing as Wahhabism; that it was merely a term of abuse used against Salafism? Doh!”

      Oh look Sid has distorted someones words. How unusual.
      Er no I said that Salafis never use the term wahabbi for themselves as you had claimed they do. It is a pejorative term used by others for them

      “The Labour Party indulge terrorist splinter groups who use terrorist violence on its own civilians? News to me. Care to tell us their names or do we have to make do with your counterfactual victim-speak? ”

      The Labour party has indulged in mass murder and has blood on its hands. Never heard of the Iraq war?

      “And while you’re at it, let us know which overseas based political fronts that are advocating terrorism are being patronised by the Labour Party. Apart from the Jamaat and its British front, the IFE of course.”

      The BJP and IDF?

      “You do realise that accusing someone of using strawman arguments without elaboration is a straw man in itself, don’t you?”

      I had put the straw man comments you made above the accusation since I assumed even you wouldnt be so dumb as to miss that. I underestimated you.

      “Good to see that the Spittoon is having the desired effect - riling braindead Islamists like yourself.”

      A meaningless term from a meaningless writer

      ” Sad to see your brand of poison has found a home on PP though.”

      Defending Muslims even *shock horror* religious ones from your lies isnt poison Sid

    32. Faisal — on 5th June, 2009 at 11:59 am  

      Oh look Sid has distorted someones words. How unusual.

      Heh, you would know. You wrote the book on mis-representation without the facts around here. For some, particularly you munir, any attack on Islamists is an “attack on Muslims”.

      Er no I said that Salafis never use the term wahabbi for themselves as you had claimed they do. It is a pejorative term used by others for them

      Absolute rubbish.

      The BJP and IDF?

      How so exactly? It is not enough to name two orgaisations. Who are the organisational front groups of the BJP and the IDF that are being used as democratic representation blocks that are being endorsed by the Labour Party in the UK?

    33. billaricaydicky — on 5th June, 2009 at 12:13 pm  

      Adnan,

      No the issue was not that the mosaic was a waste of money but that it was a deliberate provocation where Jews would have to walk over Arabic symbols to pray. It was no coincidence that the only place in Tower Hamlets where about three metres of pavement where to be so adorned and it just happened to be outside the last Synagogue in the East End.

      Now you could say that it was a total coincidence but I don’t think so.

      Munir,

      Keep taking your medication.

    34. damon — on 5th June, 2009 at 1:12 pm  

      Talking about religious extremists, it seems that a lot of Arab Christians feel they have no future in Arab countries (or living under Israeli occupation).

      The story was on the front page of this month’s National Geographic magazine.
      http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/06/arab-christians/belt-text

    35. Adnan — on 5th June, 2009 at 1:35 pm  

      Bill @ 33

      Thanks for the reply. So, the provocation is in the form of the Arabic symbols reinforcing the feeling that the congregation are being squeezed out, or being surrounded in the area ?

    36. billericaydicky — on 6th June, 2009 at 2:55 am  

      Adnan,

      The provocation was that if the Jews walked over Arabic symbols they would then of course be accused of defiling Islam which was precisely why the mosaic was intended to go on that three metres of pavement of all of the, probably, many miles of pavements in Tower Hamlets.

      There is constant harassment of the congregation and there has been pressure on it to sell up so that the synagogue can be actually and symbolically demolished.

    37. a-nobody — on 6th June, 2009 at 7:09 pm  

      billericaydicky - mate, you’re quite something. You say this:

      “Incidently Sunny, did you get the photo I forwarded to you of the Immam of the Kabba coming out of his secret meeting with Lutfor Rahman.”

      It was not secret. It was common knowledge that Lutfor and Smudger (the CE), met up with the Imaan, and his representatives. Can’t believe everything you read that Jeory’s old mob at the East London Advertiser write, who I would like to add, are the local equivalent of the Daily Mail.

      There are also praying facilities for council workers at Mulberry Place, and he led prayers that afternoon. What was there to hide? Everyone saw him come in and out.

      As for your expose of the mural at the back of the mosque. That’s common knowledge also, as it was printed on the East End Life, the council’s free weekly.

      Tower Hamlets is a 4 star authority, it has some of the best Children’s and Adult Social Services departments in the country, I don’t see why you can’t see the good the council is doing instead of listening to some horse sh*t from some mole of yours in the council?

      Don’t get me wrong, the Labour politicians at LBTH are wasters, they turn up late for committee meetings, do not visit sites but vote on planning decisions, but I will not have people like you say/imply that it’s a hub for terrorism or extremism.

      Infact it’s the 7th most gay friendly employer in the country, according to Stonewall (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7815419.stm).

      I hardly think the m0zlemzZ lolzzz would want it that way would they?

    38. a-nobody — on 6th June, 2009 at 7:32 pm  

      billericaydicky,

      @36

      Again nonsense.

      http://www.eastlondonmosque.org.uk/uploadedImage/pdf/Joint%20statement.pdf

      Read that mate. If the synagogue had issues, they would have said. The community of all creeds, the trendy art types, the muslims, the jews and the flashy types who come out of tower house around fieldgate street are very tight. I don’t think the dwellers of that area need people like you creating misinformation.

    39. Adnan — on 7th June, 2009 at 1:12 am  

      Bill @ 36

      “The provocation was that if the Jews walked over Arabic symbols they would then of course be accused of defiling Islam which was precisely why the mosaic was intended to go on that three metres of pavement of all of the, probably, many miles of pavements in Tower Hamlets.”

      This defiling explanation is just not credible. No Muslim would place religious (not any old Arabic) text so that it could walked over.

      “There is constant harassment of the congregation” - disgusting, if this is the case. Why can’t the police do something ?

    40. blah — on 7th June, 2009 at 1:17 am  

      a nobody

      That link was posted before but Billeracydicky continues with his lies and fabrications

    41. blah — on 7th June, 2009 at 1:26 am  

      billeracy dicky

      “The provocation was that if the Jews walked over Arabic symbols they would then of course be accused of defiling Islam which was precisely why the mosaic was intended to go on that three metres of pavement of all of the, probably, many miles of pavements in Tower Hamlets.”

      What billeracy dickhead fails to understand about his story is that Muslims would also have to walk on these symbols to get to the mosque especially on Fridays
      or during Ramadan

      He seriously wants people to believe Muslims would put their religious symbols on the floor for people to walk on (a grave desecration)

      Oh wait his mates down the pub believe him so why wont people who actually know about the mosque and the Muslim religion?

      You notice he hasnt brought any comments from the synangogue backing up what he says- and the burden of proof is on the accuser

      He says he has documentation but Sunny wouldnt put it up - so why not put upload it elsewhere and put a link to it on the internet so we all can see ?



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