Just in case you missed it, earlier today I replied to your query about “The Incredible Human Journey” on the other thread, you antler-eating bandit.

Quite so. I despise ritualised hunting and ‘sport’ hunting, but I do enjoy a spot of venison or a freshly caught trout.

Hunting is not wrong per se.

Just saying.

I know. I’m no fervent animal-rights activist. I just thought the way he romanticised it was rather ludicrous.

My post at 22 was me venting my frustration. After being asked by both Sunny and Rumbold to add proof to my assertion that the MCB would think with a certain mindset I spent a while putting together a response only to have it not appear because apparently I’m spamming? Makes me think I was correct in my assertion about the MCB in the first place.

“With a couple of honourable exceptions no-one around here has a lot of time for the MCB.” Why are we commenting on an article on this site that ridicules a man (whatever else he may have said in the past aside) for calling the MCB out on what they really are then?

As for my apparent phobia I find your response strange. Firstly its seems that you agree with me that a phobia is an irrational fear and yet then accuse me of said irrational fear for quoting fact?

as for “You are, and I hesitate to say this, foolishly assuming that that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. A little nuance would help you go a long way in your philosophy I’d have thunk.”

who is it then that is carrying out daily acts of terrorism all around the world? If it is not the truth that Islam inspires people to do this then why are these acts carried out and why do the perpetrators always use their religion as a justification? I don’t think that we will ever find peace until we face up to this.

What a great comic book avatar! A man of mysery indeed, sorry mystery.

If your post at 13 is anything to go by, I’d have thought your right to free speech was being more than exercised on here.

Just a minor couple of points.

With a couple of honourable exceptions no-one around here has a lot of time for the MCB. So, quoting them as if they meant a lot, is a complete waste of time. Largely speaking, you are preaching to the converted. You’d be surprised how many Muslims have never even heard of the MCB. That said, I have quite enjoyed watching Inayat Bunglawala grow up. Which is not a view that is shared a lot around here.

You are, of course, quite right to say that the word ‘phobia’ is misused in this context. Sticking it on the end of a Religion is nuts. But your fear, for that is what you are expressing here:

These attacks have been carried out by Muslims who invoke Islam, the Quran and Hadiths and Muhammeds life as justification for their murderous actions.

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is nothing much less than a phobia itself, now, is it?

You are, and I hesitate to say this, foolishly assuming that that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. A little nuance would help you go a long way in your philosophy I’d have thunk.

Else the next time you saw ‘one of them’ you would be afeared that they were about to bomb you or somesuch. Frankly, the evidence is against that proposition. Clearly there are nutters that affirm to an Islamic belief. Perhaps that gives them cover? A point to ponder, maybe.

I quite like, most, of the Muslims that comment here. Indeed, I would quite like to attend a meet up. So far that has not been possible, but I can assure you that I wouldn’t be too worried about being blown up!

You can’t really have your cake and eat it, can you?

Sunny/Rumbold

How many leading members of an organisation have to support terror before it can be said that the organisation itself is suspicious?

Daud Abdullah we obviously agree on. He is deputy sec general isn’t he? He did clearly support jihad didn’t he? He is still in his job isn’t he? Do you not find it a little odd he is still in his job? if the organisation he worked for was totally opposed to his views they would surely be rid of him.

Muhammad Abdul Bari – Isn’t this guy on the board of Muslim Aid http://web.archive.org/web/20010124133800/www.muslimaid.org/info-hist.html

Don’t they support terror?

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/08/spain.alqaeda/

Iqbal Sacranie – Sacranie said of Rushdie “Death, perhaps, is a bit too easy for him… his mind must be tormented for the rest of his life unless he asks for forgiveness to Almighty Allah.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/1989/feb/15/salmanrushdie

Sacranie also wants to outlaw the idea that Islamic terrorists exist. see http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/000988.html

mmm what a peaceful guy!

Inayat Bunglawala called Osama Bin Laden a freedom fighter http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387288/Blair-link-Muslims-backed-bin-Laden.html

I ask again how many leading members of an organisation have to support terror before it can be said that the organisation itself is suspicious?

Just saying.

Yes.

This made me lose all previously non-existent respect I had for the guy, when I had to translate a bit of this interview of his in Intelligent Life:

Hunting sounds like a small thing, but, like most freedoms, it turns out to contain other virtues–the good management of land, the handing on and development of skills, especially in relation to animals, the formation of non-profit, small-scale social groups, comradeship, physical fitness, risk, the combination of sport and utility (pest control), the mixing of young and old.

Haha. What?

‘the handing on and development of skills, especially in relation to animals’

Er, like killing them, you mean?

‘the formation of non-profit, small-scale social groups’

Hunting as charity. Beautiful.

‘comradeship’

Except for with the quarry…

‘the mixing of young and old’

Or the mixing of vintage and barely-ripe toffs.

http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/story/freedom-a-former-editor

(because I cannae be arsed to link neatly).

And anyone who talks like Charles Moore did in #3 is anti-Muslim.

Are you saying the MCB encourages terrorists? Proof please!

I’m not sure what was so nutty about implying that an organisation such as the MCB thinks with a Jihadi mindset? I would be interested to hear why they wouldn’t think like that but if you’d prefer to just insult me then you are merely strengthening my opinion.

LOL. I love nutjobs.

Unhelpful and Trivialising Accusations of Islamophobia

Knifey Spoony with Islamophobia

And my take on the BBC/Charles Moore/MCB story.

Eilat (in Israel) and Aquaba in Jordan are just a few hundresd meters apart, but are a million miles apart culturally.

In Eilat Israeli women and tourists soak up the sun on the beach (wearing bikinis) where in Aquba, the closest Muslim women get to do this is to let their feet get wet walking along the beach with their husbands and children, while decked out on heavy gowns, coats and hihjabs.

As for the term Islamophobia, banded about so quickly and used to great effect to cower the media and others, I do not believe that this term is valid. Phobia is defined, at least in my dictionary as a “persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.” The thing is that there have been over 13,000 Jihadi attacks all around the world since 9/11. These attacks have been carried out by Muslims who invoke Islam, the Quran and Hadiths and Muhammeds life as justification for their murderous actions. The targets have been Jews, Christians, Hindus, other Muslims and just about anyone and everyone. With that in mind, any fear of Islam is perfectly reasonable as Islam has repeatedly shown itself as a truly dangerous thing.

I don’t doubt either ….. but I’m not absolutely sure what Islamophobia actually means anymore.
It was after I started reading the ”Islamophobia Watch” website that I started to think that although they do highlight blatant examples of Islamophobia, they also claim things that are (in my opinion) fair comment as being islamophobic too. And too often.

He does not get to lecture me on what feels natural.

Well said!

But the bugger does, lecture us I mean.

Someone funds Policy Exchange to publish the most egregious shite imaginable.