Policy Exchange’s Charles Moore is a prat


by Sunny
30th May, 2009 at 5:13 am    

…and has forced the BBC to apologise for his on-screen stupidity.

The BBC has offered to apologise to the Muslim Council of Britain after airing claims the organisation encouraged the killing of British troops. The comments were made by the former Daily Telegraph editor Charles Moore on Thursday’s edition of Question Time. Mr Moore spoke about the Islamic protests which disrupted a UK soldiers’ homecoming parade in March

Mr Moore said the Muslim Council of Britain had been reluctant to condemn the killing and kidnapping of Britain soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, and claimed the organisation thought such activities were “a good thing”.

This of course not long after Policy Exchange was forced to apologise and took its report on Muslim extremism off its site. I’m not a fan of the MCB but you’d think someone who works for an apparently respected think-tank would have some basic facts in hand before spouting off on national television.


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  1. Fitzroy — on 30th May, 2009 at 6:15 am  

    I remember a particularly unpleasant article by Charles Moore many years ago about his neighbours who were Muslim (he lives in Islington but the Muslim family had lived there since the days before Islington was gentrified).
    He admitted that they were always polite and helpful but he went on and on about how he found it alienating living next to people with such a different “culture” and horror or horrors – he felt uncomfortable that he could “hear them praying”!
    Why is this man taken seriously and treated with any form of respect?

  2. London Muslim — on 30th May, 2009 at 7:55 am  

    It’s the old ploy of focussing on difference. Those with ginger hair, freckles or Obese will sympathise as they will recall their school days and how they would be singled out by the ring leader and others would follow.

    Moore and his ilk are ring leaders appealing to the lowest human base in a co-ordinated attempt to instill fear.

    As Tony Benn says the bandwagon will move on and focus on the Chineese soon.

  3. blah — on 30th May, 2009 at 9:55 am  

    This is the comment by Moore that Fitzroy alludes to

    “Britain is basically English-speaking and Christian and white, and if one starts to think that it might become Urdu-speaking and Muslim and brown, one gets frightened and angry. Next door to me lives a large family of Muslims from the Indian sub-continent. We are friendly enough to one another and they have done us various small acts of kindness. During the Gulf war, however, I heard their morning prayers coming through the wall, and I felt a little uneasy. If such people had outnumbered whites in our square, I should have felt alarmed. Such feelings are not only natural, surely – they are right. You ought to have a sense of your identity, and part of that sense derives from your nation and your race.”

    Pretty much exposes the “we are against Muslims for religious reasons” lie

    But Moore isnt an equal oppurtunityist- here he is haranging Ken Livingstone for making a remark against a Jewish Daily Mail journalist

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3623445/How-Livingstone-turned-a-racist-remark-into-a-cause-celebre.html

    The MCB must be doing something right if a Muslim hater like Moore dislikes them

  4. Fitzroy — on 30th May, 2009 at 11:25 am  

    Thank you for finding the article, blah.

    It actually sounds more unpleasant than I remember it. he doesn’t seem to mind coming across as a complete ••••.

    I mean he even says – “the have done us various small acts of kindness”

    I wonder what the reaction would be if he was talking about any other minority? The article caused little comment at the time.

  5. MaidMarian — on 30th May, 2009 at 1:02 pm  

    Charles Moore is a man who has spent years ramming down our collective throats a world-view that we must know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    He does not get to lecture me on what feels natural.

    I have far more in common with the Muslims of the neighbourhood than I ever will with Charles Moore.

    Fitzroy (1) – He gets taken seriously because he is (however much he may think otherwise) a signed up member of the London meeja elite. No other reason.

  6. damon — on 30th May, 2009 at 3:35 pm  

    I don’t in anyway endorse Charles Moore, but he was slagging off the MCB. The MCB (from what I understand) are completely reactionary.
    I have heard of people on the left even talking of them being ”Islamo-fascists” …..

    ….or am I totally getting it wrong and thinking of the MAB and the Respect party?
    I do tend to get the two organisations somewhat mixed up.
    (Are they that different?)

  7. Rumbold — on 30th May, 2009 at 3:35 pm  

    The MCB are reactionary, and Charles Moore is Islamophobic.

  8. blah — on 30th May, 2009 at 10:06 pm  

    damon
    “I don’t in anyway endorse Charles Moore, but he was slagging off the MCB. ”

    Yeah but if you are going to slag off people at least slag them off for things theyve actually said

    And Moore is pretty reactionary
    I mean what else can you say about “Britain is basically English-speaking and Christian and white, and if one starts to think that it might become Urdu-speaking and Muslim and brown, one gets frightened and angry.”

  9. fug — on 30th May, 2009 at 11:32 pm  

    2.
    but moore is the one who probably got ritually beaten at school…

  10. douglas clark — on 31st May, 2009 at 7:23 am  

    MaidMarian,

    He does not get to lecture me on what feels natural.

    Well said!

    But the bugger does, lecture us I mean.

    Someone funds Policy Exchange to publish the most egregious shite imaginable.

  11. douglas clark — on 31st May, 2009 at 7:33 am  

    Y’know it is almost ‘Gates of Vienna’ stuff. Tarted up to be polite, mind you…

  12. damon — on 31st May, 2009 at 7:58 pm  

    ”The MCB are reactionary, and Charles Moore is Islamophobic.”

    I don’t doubt either ….. but I’m not absolutely sure what Islamophobia actually means anymore.
    It was after I started reading the ”Islamophobia Watch” website that I started to think that although they do highlight blatant examples of Islamophobia, they also claim things that are (in my opinion) fair comment as being islamophobic too. And too often.

  13. mysteryman — on 1st June, 2009 at 10:02 am  

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/3866 is where we can read the MCB’s Daud Abdullah approval of a statement suggesting the legitimacy of attacking the British. It is pretty clear that he only denied his own weasel words once he realised that the infidels were onto him. Never mind a good bit of taqiyya soon sorted it and now the BBC are paying some Jizah and “will feel themselves subdued”. All this is no surprise from a barely disguised front for the Muslim Brotherhood, the very same organisation who in their own words are dedicated to a “grand jihad aimed at eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

    As for the term Islamophobia, banded about so quickly and used to great effect to cower the media and others, I do not believe that this term is valid. Phobia is defined, at least in my dictionary as a “persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.” The thing is that there have been over 13,000 Jihadi attacks all around the world since 9/11. These attacks have been carried out by Muslims who invoke Islam, the Quran and Hadiths and Muhammeds life as justification for their murderous actions. The targets have been Jews, Christians, Hindus, other Muslims and just about anyone and everyone. With that in mind, any fear of Islam is perfectly reasonable as Islam has repeatedly shown itself as a truly dangerous thing.

  14. damon — on 1st June, 2009 at 10:55 am  

    I think I might be Islamophobic, because in 2000 I spent about ten weeks visiting Egypt, Israel (with day trips to west bank towns) – and Gaza, and also a week in Jordan too.

    Eilat (in Israel) and Aquaba in Jordan are just a few hundresd meters apart, but are a million miles apart culturally.

    In Eilat Israeli women and tourists soak up the sun on the beach (wearing bikinis) where in Aquba, the closest Muslim women get to do this is to let their feet get wet walking along the beach with their husbands and children, while decked out on heavy gowns, coats and hihjabs.

  15. Faisal — on 1st June, 2009 at 12:57 pm  

    Here are a couple of damn good articles on what does and does not constitute ‘Islamophobia’:

    Unhelpful and Trivialising Accusations of Islamophobia

    Knifey Spoony with Islamophobia

    And my take on the BBC/Charles Moore/MCB story.

  16. Sunny — on 1st June, 2009 at 2:51 pm  

    Never mind a good bit of taqiyya soon sorted it and now the BBC are paying some Jizah and “will feel themselves subdued”

    LOL. I love nutjobs.

  17. mysteryman — on 1st June, 2009 at 6:09 pm  

    Sunny….

    I’m not sure what was so nutty about implying that an organisation such as the MCB thinks with a Jihadi mindset? I would be interested to hear why they wouldn’t think like that but if you’d prefer to just insult me then you are merely strengthening my opinion.

  18. Sunny — on 1st June, 2009 at 6:45 pm  

    I’m not sure what was so nutty about implying that an organisation such as the MCB thinks with a Jihadi mindset?

    Are you saying the MCB encourages terrorists? Proof please!

  19. Rumbold — on 1st June, 2009 at 8:14 pm  

    Look, I don’t like the MCB. nor does Sunny. But did the MCB endorse attacks on British service personnel? No. And if you are going to say something like that, you need proof. A member of the MCB did, but that’s different.

    And anyone who talks like Charles Moore did in #3 is anti-Muslim.

  20. Amrit — on 1st June, 2009 at 9:24 pm  

    ‘Policy Exchange’s Charles Moore is a prat.’

    Yes.

    This made me lose all previously non-existent respect I had for the guy, when I had to translate a bit of this interview of his in Intelligent Life:

    Hunting sounds like a small thing, but, like most freedoms, it turns out to contain other virtues–the good management of land, the handing on and development of skills, especially in relation to animals, the formation of non-profit, small-scale social groups, comradeship, physical fitness, risk, the combination of sport and utility (pest control), the mixing of young and old.

    Haha. What?

    ‘the handing on and development of skills, especially in relation to animals’

    Er, like killing them, you mean?

    ‘the formation of non-profit, small-scale social groups’

    Hunting as charity. Beautiful.

    ‘comradeship’

    Except for with the quarry…

    ‘the mixing of young and old’

    Or the mixing of vintage and barely-ripe toffs.

    http://www.moreintelligentlife.com/story/freedom-a-former-editor

    (because I cannae be arsed to link neatly).

  21. Don — on 1st June, 2009 at 10:45 pm  

    Hunting is not wrong per se.

    Just saying.

  22. mysteryman — on 2nd June, 2009 at 11:20 am  

    Rumbold, anyone who talks like Charles Moore did in #3 is racist. There is a difference between being racist and anti-muslim, you can be one and not the other.

    Sunny/Rumbold

    How many leading members of an organisation have to support terror before it can be said that the organisation itself is suspicious?

    Daud Abdullah we obviously agree on. He is deputy sec general isn’t he? He did clearly support jihad didn’t he? He is still in his job isn’t he? Do you not find it a little odd he is still in his job? if the organisation he worked for was totally opposed to his views they would surely be rid of him.

    Muhammad Abdul Bari – Isn’t this guy on the board of Muslim Aid http://web.archive.org/web/20010124133800/www.muslimaid.org/info-hist.html

    Don’t they support terror?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/08/spain.alqaeda/

    Iqbal Sacranie – Sacranie said of Rushdie “Death, perhaps, is a bit too easy for him… his mind must be tormented for the rest of his life unless he asks for forgiveness to Almighty Allah.” http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/1989/feb/15/salmanrushdie

    Sacranie also wants to outlaw the idea that Islamic terrorists exist. see http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/000988.html

    mmm what a peaceful guy!

    Inayat Bunglawala called Osama Bin Laden a freedom fighter http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387288/Blair-link-Muslims-backed-bin-Laden.html

    I ask again how many leading members of an organisation have to support terror before it can be said that the organisation itself is suspicious?

  23. mysteryman — on 2nd June, 2009 at 11:50 am  

    so now I’m just being censored as spam? WTF!

  24. douglas clark — on 2nd June, 2009 at 12:29 pm  

    mysteryman,

    What a great comic book avatar! A man of mysery indeed, sorry mystery.

    If your post at 13 is anything to go by, I’d have thought your right to free speech was being more than exercised on here.

    Just a minor couple of points.

    With a couple of honourable exceptions no-one around here has a lot of time for the MCB. So, quoting them as if they meant a lot, is a complete waste of time. Largely speaking, you are preaching to the converted. You’d be surprised how many Muslims have never even heard of the MCB. That said, I have quite enjoyed watching Inayat Bunglawala grow up. Which is not a view that is shared a lot around here.

    You are, of course, quite right to say that the word ‘phobia’ is misused in this context. Sticking it on the end of a Religion is nuts. But your fear, for that is what you are expressing here:

    These attacks have been carried out by Muslims who invoke Islam, the Quran and Hadiths and Muhammeds life as justification for their murderous actions.

    ,

    is nothing much less than a phobia itself, now, is it?

    You are, and I hesitate to say this, foolishly assuming that that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. A little nuance would help you go a long way in your philosophy I’d have thunk.

    Else the next time you saw ‘one of them’ you would be afeared that they were about to bomb you or somesuch. Frankly, the evidence is against that proposition. Clearly there are nutters that affirm to an Islamic belief. Perhaps that gives them cover? A point to ponder, maybe.

    I quite like, most, of the Muslims that comment here. Indeed, I would quite like to attend a meet up. So far that has not been possible, but I can assure you that I wouldn’t be too worried about being blown up!

    You can’t really have your cake and eat it, can you?

  25. mysteryman — on 2nd June, 2009 at 2:46 pm  

    Douglas

    My post at 22 was me venting my frustration. After being asked by both Sunny and Rumbold to add proof to my assertion that the MCB would think with a certain mindset I spent a while putting together a response only to have it not appear because apparently I’m spamming? Makes me think I was correct in my assertion about the MCB in the first place.

    “With a couple of honourable exceptions no-one around here has a lot of time for the MCB.” Why are we commenting on an article on this site that ridicules a man (whatever else he may have said in the past aside) for calling the MCB out on what they really are then?

    As for my apparent phobia I find your response strange. Firstly its seems that you agree with me that a phobia is an irrational fear and yet then accuse me of said irrational fear for quoting fact?

    as for “You are, and I hesitate to say this, foolishly assuming that that is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. A little nuance would help you go a long way in your philosophy I’d have thunk.”

    who is it then that is carrying out daily acts of terrorism all around the world? If it is not the truth that Islam inspires people to do this then why are these acts carried out and why do the perpetrators always use their religion as a justification? I don’t think that we will ever find peace until we face up to this.

  26. Amrit — on 2nd June, 2009 at 4:00 pm  

    Don:

    Hunting is not wrong per se.

    Just saying.

    I know. I’m no fervent animal-rights activist. I just thought the way he romanticised it was rather ludicrous.

  27. Don — on 2nd June, 2009 at 4:31 pm  

    Amrit,

    Quite so. I despise ritualised hunting and ‘sport’ hunting, but I do enjoy a spot of venison or a freshly caught trout.

  28. Jai — on 2nd June, 2009 at 4:52 pm  

    Don,

    Just in case you missed it, earlier today I replied to your query about “The Incredible Human Journey” on the other thread, you antler-eating bandit.

  29. Don — on 2nd June, 2009 at 5:20 pm  

    Nah, pick my teeth with antlers.

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