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Racist Arsonist arrested


by Al-Hack on 2nd May, 2006 at 5:21 pm    

A man has been arrested by detectives investigating three shop fires - one of them fatal - which are thought to have been racially motivated.

The 33-year-old, from Stockwell, south London, is being questioned by police about the murder of Khizar Hayat and the other fires - all in the capital. [BBC Online]

Update: Any connection to a different firebombing attack in Birmingham today? [hat tip: Scribbles]
Update 2: A second man has died in connection with the bombings.



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  1. Scribbles — on 2nd May, 2006 at 9:13 pm  

    There was also a similar attack on a shop in the West Midlands today, although no one is yet making any connection between that and the London attacks - but I think the TV news said it was an Asian shop that was fire-bombed.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4964842.stm

    I’m wondering if there is any connection here with the trouble that happened in Lozells last October? There were people/organisations/gangs trying to stir up trouble for Asian businesses.

  2. Yusuf Smith — on 2nd May, 2006 at 11:46 pm  

    The report of his arrest was filed more than an hour before the report on the Birmingham fire-bombing. So it’s unlikely that they are linked, assuming the man arrested is the right man.

  3. j0nz — on 2nd May, 2006 at 11:54 pm  

    I wonder if the Mirror will do a full page spread on RACIST FIREBOMB ATTACKS. I’m not holding my breath!

    I’m sure it would confuse the readership anyways.

  4. al — on 3rd May, 2006 at 8:02 am  

    “special investigation by Sky News shows a senior member of the BNP saying black children of single parents grow up to be dysfunctional, under-achievers who drain the benefits system and are likely to mug you . . “

  5. al — on 3rd May, 2006 at 8:29 am  

    We must look at possible positive outcomes from asian shops being firebombed :

    1) Deter more asians becoming shopeeper - find something else to do for goodness sake !
    2) More likely to vote tory - yeeehhh !
    3) Enables people to understand difficulties of modern tribalistic racism - it’s not all white on black.

    any other ?

  6. SajiniW — on 3rd May, 2006 at 8:46 am  

    I’m convinced this is linked to Lozells.

    The media coverage (if at all) is going to be interesting - pages one and eight of the Standard last night were devoted to this story.

  7. Neil — on 3rd May, 2006 at 9:42 am  

    I fail to see the positive outcomes you mention in firebomb attacks on Asian businesses, as our family and friends quite a few have businesses in the South London, whether it causes them to understand ‘tribalistic racism’ or start voting Tory is completely irrelevant.

  8. Jay Singh — on 3rd May, 2006 at 10:25 am  

    Sajini

    What makes you think it is linked to Lozells?

  9. Jay Singh — on 3rd May, 2006 at 10:26 am  

    I mean do you have any evidence other than instinct?

  10. Grumpy Muslim — on 3rd May, 2006 at 11:08 am  

    Yes that comment was in pretty poor taste Al. Two people have died so far, I don’t think this was a case of teaching Asians to vote Tory or to change their line of business.

    This is a very real issue. There are elements within both black and Asian communities who use things like this to demonstrate the innate ‘racism/inferiority’ of the other side.

    My boss at work is black and his reaction was - ‘well those businesses must have had it coming’. In the past he has never suggested that Anthony Walker or Chris Aduleme had it coming. Disturbing double-standards here.

    I’ve also had comments (from other black colleagues) about how Asians ‘run everything’ - wasn’t that the reason Hitler decided he wanted to exterminate the Jews.

    I’m not for one moment saying all black people feel this way, I’m certain they don’t. But there are both black and Asian people who have dehumanised the other side to the point where the the loss of a life from the other ‘tribe’ means nothing to them.

    What’s more worrying is that following the Lozells riots there were nasty discussions further dividing us. With some comments from Indians to the effect ‘don’t confuse us with Pakistanis - they’re the filthy rapists, not us’.

    I’ve never been a nationalist and never felt the need to identify with one particular nation or people (or religion for that matter). People keep telling me nationalism is a good thing but this kind of belief in the superiority of your own race and ability to blame other races for any perceived lack of success (the blacks/Asians are taking all our cash/jobs/women) can’t be a good thing.

  11. Neil — on 3rd May, 2006 at 11:27 am  

    Incidentally whats wrong with having your own business whether it be a shop or anything else ? At least you are working your ass off for yourself rather then someone else.

    I agree with GrumpyMuslim there are a variety of factors and prejudices at play here. None of them easy to solve really.

  12. Jay Singh — on 3rd May, 2006 at 11:54 am  

    The bottom line is whatever your issues are - firebombing shops and killing people because of their race and your hatred of that race take things onto another level. Its like the terrorism thing - some people might have issues - but when those grievances are used to commit violence the issues are soon made subordinate to the violence - I don’t give a damn what someones issues are when they are holding a firebomb at the door of my house or shop because they want to see me or my family dead because of that persons hatred - fuck you and your issues.

    Same analogy with terrorism.

  13. Jay Singh — on 3rd May, 2006 at 11:59 am  

    Neil there is nothing wrong with working 24/7 and sacrificing your life to work hard in the face of struggle and abuse to save money and make a better life for your children - I’m not one to big up Asians over small things but one thing many Asians of the old generation have done which is admirable is exactly that - got their heads down and worked hard honestly. My father worked his newsagent and cornershop for almost thirty years and paid for me and my sister and brothers to get educated. Fuck anyone who is going to denigrate that.

  14. Neil — on 3rd May, 2006 at 2:33 pm  

    ^^^ Agree completely. Whatever the politics or prejudices in that guys head or supposed ‘wrongs’ done to him by Asians nothing excuses ruining a persons life and livelihood (and in all probability a family’s) because of that.

  15. SajiniW — on 3rd May, 2006 at 4:46 pm  

    The organised manner of attacks, re: locations and the announcements made by the bomber make me think he’s been set-up.

    Even if an organisation hasn’t got him doing this in their name, instinct tells me that he’s representing a group grudge.

  16. Yusuf Smith — on 3rd May, 2006 at 5:38 pm  

    The attacks may have been linked to the Lozells trouble, but I wonder if it’s also inspired by a spate of fire-bombings by Afro-Americans of Arab-run corner shops in the US last year. The attacks weren’t the act of one lone racist; the culprits are thought to be members of one of the black cod-Islamic cult groups. The shops are often in mainly black areas and are known for contributing to racist attitudes among Arab Americans to Afro-Americans and Latinos (see this post. It’s possible that this individual was partly inspired by those incidents.

  17. Roger — on 4th May, 2006 at 10:46 am  

    It’s much more likely the fellow is mad. Racism- extreme racism- is often associated with mental illness. Whether all racism is mental illness is another matter [’though a very handy point to put to racists] but you’ll find very high levels of racism in mentally ill people after all, if you think you’re being persecuted you’ll pick a noticeable group to blame.

  18. Roger — on 4th May, 2006 at 10:49 am  

    Yusuf Smith: you have things the wrong way round. That post is an example of “racist attitudes” to Arab Americans, not “among” them.

  19. Yusuf Smith — on 4th May, 2006 at 11:26 am  

    Roger: no I don’t. These stores foster racism against the clients, because the Muslim owners who think they’re so pious (with their Qur’anic ayats on the wall or - worse - the till) serve the non-Muslim black and Latino customers and run nightclubs and tolerate drug dealers and prostitutes offering business around their shop (which drags down the quality of life for anyone living nearby), and see only the worst of the communities concerned and therefore look down on them. It is a fact that in some towns in the US, all the liquor stores are owned by Arabs. Hence the racist attitudes a lot of Arab Americans have towards blacks.

  20. Sunny — on 4th May, 2006 at 1:36 pm  

    see only the worst of the communities concerned and therefore look down on them.

    Yusuf has a point, though I’m not too knowledgable about American affairs. This was a common complaint in Birmingham too, that Asian shop owners behaved terribly towards black customers.

  21. Jay Singh — on 4th May, 2006 at 1:39 pm  

    So if black shopkeepers behave terribly to Asians, can we firebomb them? Will we get your sympathy then? What about other random black people with bad attitudes to others? Can we complain about them and set some places on fire? And persecute innocent black people because once we felt disrespected by a black person once?

  22. Jay Singh — on 4th May, 2006 at 1:44 pm  

    Yusuf Smith

    So when an Arab shop gets firebombed, maybe a couple of Arabs are burnt to death like the men in South London, do you empathise with the person who carries out that in the name of fighting against the evil and wickedness of Arabs who cackle as they bring depravity and prosititution to the ghetto?

    I cannot believe the moral convolution of some people.

  23. Rakhee — on 4th May, 2006 at 2:00 pm  

    May seem like an obvious point but one of the key drivers for any act of racial terrorism, violence or just plain verbal insult is jealousy.

    In The Sunday Times a few weeks back there was an entire section dedicated to Richest Asians. Stories of coming to the UK with 10p in the pocket (we’ve heard them before) and rags to riches tales will be celebrated by many but detested by others. Interestingly a similar section was not there for Blacks or Chinese. You get my point.

    Jay - I can’t agree with you more. My parents worked so damn hard, ran a shop all to give me and siblings a superb shot at life. I’ll take on anyone who challenges shopkeepers and their livelihood. (Also it isn’t just asians who run shops - have you seen The Evening Standard’s campaign for Save our small shops??)

    But if you are a person having lived in the UK all your life and not had opps at a great education or a loving upbringing, whether you are black, white or purple, human nature dictates in some people a sense of hatred and jealousy.

    The emotive issues behind racism are the major drivers of any extreme act. Awful fact but so true.

  24. alison — on 4th May, 2006 at 9:34 pm  

    Hi Sunny

    In reference to the comment you left, im not clear as to why it is ‘lazy’ to point out that the MSM are not even handed in their presentation of racism. In the case of Anthony Walker the police had not any factual evidence before the MSM had gone ballistic. They alleged. As they are here. To muted media coverage in comparison yet where the crimes are both abhorrent. Im of the opinion that the media are poison in this respect.

    Id agree that ‘The emotive issues behind racism are the major drivers of any extreme act. Awful fact but so true.’
    Im curious to know if you agree with this and why you think moral equivalence is then so dismissable?

  25. Sunny — on 4th May, 2006 at 10:57 pm  

    Hi alison - no moral equivalence. In the Anthony Walker case two of his friends (I think) escaped and said that he had been attacked because he was black. There was no question that it was a racist attack.

    As you can see from this article, he was subjected to a torrent of racial abuse and been taunted because of his race before the attack later.

    There is NO evidence here that it as racist. As yet. I’m not ruling it out, I just want some evidence before I start accusing people of racism.

  26. Rakhee — on 5th May, 2006 at 8:25 am  

    Come off it Sunny, you need it written down on paper before you believe it?

  27. funkg — on 5th May, 2006 at 9:27 am  

    what is the point of this thread? it should be obvious to all that this nutter should be locked up for good and that he does not represent anyone else but himself. he is nothing more but a common criminal albeit an insane one. all that talk about black/asian hostility is rubbish.

  28. Mr J — on 5th May, 2006 at 4:09 pm  

    This i believe is linked to the birmingham riots u do know that blacks from london went down to birmingham to riot. This is also hardly getting any media attention for their policy always is to heavily broadcast evil that is done by asians not evil that is done to them. Asians living in black areas have always been targets of black crime from mugging to business robberies. I have yet to see anyone highlight this deepening crisis in a documentry!

  29. Mr Jatt — on 5th May, 2006 at 4:19 pm  

    Blacks are jealous of us its simple. These filthy crackheads come into asian shops high on drugs demanding beer on credit i have seen it with my own eyes black jamaicans treat asian people worse than dogs in london. They seem to think they are kings of the jungle well we are not living in no jungle this they find hard to understand. Blacks are always crying racism but they dont do any favours to themselves by overbreeding and letting lose their bastards on our communities!!
    Only solution i can see we will have to police our shops and areas ourselves and we will do better job then this police service.

    few weeks ago during easter holidays these young black hooligans stormed an asian shop on the high street the poor shop keeper had a hole in the side of his head like a real nasty wound and even though i was telling the police which way the little bastard breeds ran they didnt seem eager to report it on their radios as in london police policy is save ur own arse first ..so policing our own communities is a must to tackle these scum!!

  30. funkg — on 5th May, 2006 at 4:27 pm  

    mr jatt,
    im taking your comments tongue in cheek, if not listen to yourself you sound like a nazi.
    anyway i hear what your saying, i live in west london and i feel embarresed when i see my ‘brothers’ begging money for beer, but to me its haram to sell it to them in the first place. maybe you should visit tower hamlets and see how the young asian brothers are faring there, same issues.

  31. funkg — on 5th May, 2006 at 4:33 pm  

    whats all this talk about black people from london coming to brum to riot? most black guys in uk would only travel that far to go to a dance or to check a girl. have you guys ever met any black people? or have you heard about us thru the daily mail? dont beleive the hype, same way i would never generalise Muslims or any other Asians, please dont do it to us. like i said b4 criminals should be locked up.

  32. Sunny — on 5th May, 2006 at 4:33 pm  

    Mr Jatt - stop being a racist idiot. You’re as bad as them.

  33. Roger — on 5th May, 2006 at 6:15 pm  

    “There is NO evidence here that it as racist. ”
    The fact that all four shops were run by Asians is evidence for racism as a possible motive. It is not evidence powerful enough to justify unequivocal claims however.

  34. Roger — on 5th May, 2006 at 6:19 pm  

    “This was a common complaint in Birmingham too, that Asian shop owners behaved terribly towards black customers. ”
    Then they wouldn’t have customers for very long would they? I very much doubt that a shopkeeper- whose existence depends on maximising his profits- is going to behave to customers in a way that is going to alienate them and make them go somewhere else, especially not a small shopkeeper in a large city where they have plenty of rivals.

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