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Asians and electoral fraud


by Sunny on 1st May, 2006 at 3:04 pm    

Why why why? Why do the political parties let these villager-mentality idiots represent them? Candidates who think they are still campaigning in a village ‘back home’ and will try any dirty tactics to win.

On Wednesday a 50 year old woman was arrested in Birmingham. She was identified as the wife of Mohammed Khan, a Liberal Democrat candidate.

The police is also investigating claims by Galloway that he has uncovered “widespread” electoral fraud involving postal voting in Tower Hamlets. Police are looking into similar allegations in Harrow, Kensington and Chelsea, Merton, Southwark, Hounslow, and Barnet - guess what they have in common?



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  1. Zak — on 1st May, 2006 at 3:12 pm  

    I sorta know one of the Asian labour candidates contesting near my area and I am convinced he would need help putting a sentence on paper.

    I family friend of ours served in manchester city council..and he used to explain how almost 9/10 of the asian councillors (all labour i think) had never made a speech or even raised a point of order in meetings primarily because they were semi literate..they were elected on the basis of biradri and caste voting..

  2. Sid — on 1st May, 2006 at 3:18 pm  

    Welcome to Democracy Southasian style.

  3. raz — on 1st May, 2006 at 3:24 pm  

    ASIANS SUCK ™.

  4. Roger — on 1st May, 2006 at 3:34 pm  

    Not the only examples. There’s the old Irish election slogan “Vote early. Vote often.” A few years ago Sinn Fein ran into trouble in an election in northern Ireland. it wasn’t the fact that corpses were voting for them their opponents objected to but the fact that they were Unionist corpses.

  5. j0nz — on 1st May, 2006 at 4:51 pm  

    Yeh bizzare. I have a card carrying Labout asian friend who always votes twice.

  6. Sunny — on 1st May, 2006 at 5:24 pm  

    Don’t get me wrong - I’m sure its not just Asians who do this.

    But it’s like Zak says - some of these idiots have no clue about politics yet the main political parties are happy to let their names dragged along in the mud because they want the votes.

    I saw some Labour councillors yesterday in my area and they had trouble stringing a sentence in English together. Some of them are religious looking folk (I believe the ones in our area are affiliated to the local Sikh Gurudwara) and they just play on that. They’re not going to represent shit!

  7. foxy — on 1st May, 2006 at 7:09 pm  

    Semi-illiterate they may be, but it’s pure and simple, parties will keep putting up candidates who in this age of political apathy are able to pull in the votes…. these guys deliver big-time….. And yeah along the way there may be some / a lot of “dirty dancing”

    After all this is just an extension of baraderi / pind / goan / village politics, that have existed for decades in Pakistan / India

  8. foxy — on 1st May, 2006 at 7:19 pm  

    Some of them are religious looking folk (I believe the ones in our area are affiliated to the local Sikh Gurudwara) and they just play on that. They’re not going to represent shit!

    The perfect councillor…. , point it in the right direction, set it off and it votes / does exactly what you it to do!!!

    By giving these guys an opportunity, the parties kill several birds with one store, they appease local voting blocks (look good etc) and in return get compliant councillors who very firmly toe the party line.

  9. El Cid — on 1st May, 2006 at 7:58 pm  

    The answer to your question is that intelligent professional Asians such as (most) PP’ers aren’t heard, drowned out by the silence of the white liberal establishment which turns a blind eye for fear of being labelled racist and by the barely bottled hatred of the chavist right who are just itching to bash the darkies. Ultimately I blame lazy and unimaginative journalism.

  10. foxy — on 1st May, 2006 at 8:09 pm  

    Yeah unimaginative journalism may play a part, but the blame has to lie quite firmly with the party bosses, they absolutely know what’s going on… they just choose to turn a blind eye.

  11. Joe Otten — on 1st May, 2006 at 8:50 pm  

    So what’s a party got to do? Impose all candidates from the centre?

    Wherever there is a reasonably democratic selection process, there is always a danger that an unsuitable candidate will recruit a large number of supporters to the local party and get themselves selected.

    By all means take steps to stop that happening when you see it, but on balance I still think it is better to have democratic selections, a few of whom will be corrupt or just bad choices, than centrally imposed candidates, who would be corrupt or bad choices far more often.

  12. Sunny — on 1st May, 2006 at 9:46 pm  

    Joe - I’m not aware of the exact selection process with local candidates. But surely the centre can impose some sort of guidelines?

    These people will complain that older Asian community groups will not get a voice. But that is pandering to these vested interests - they do a worse job of representing white citizens (with their bad language skills) and don’t do much for the Asian residents anyway.

    I would much prefer a white councillor who can deal with local issues than one of these “uncle-jis” from the village.

  13. foxy — on 1st May, 2006 at 9:56 pm  

    sunny…. not if you want to get some dodgy grants through the council or the seal of approval on a planning appliction…………….. uncle ji’s all the way!!!!!

  14. Niemands kind — on 1st May, 2006 at 10:24 pm  

    Ahh, guess where I live (okay I’ll tell you): Bethnal Green South aka Galloway’s Town.

    TWO of the Respect Party’s “Five good reasons to vote Respect” involves war in Iraq. Suprise, suprise.

    Quite frankly, most of the asians populating these areas in east London do not care about politics with regards to which party to vote for. The majority population in my borough are under 21. The rest are the adults who are nearing OAP status. The current adult asians therefore need be attracted to one sweet reason & that’s good enough for them.

  15. Sunny — on 2nd May, 2006 at 12:05 am  

    Who said Respect were anything other than a one-man one-issue band led on hot air?

  16. SajiniW — on 2nd May, 2006 at 9:28 am  

    Gorgeous George gets on his high horse again :/

    http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/interviews/article.html?in_article_id=12486&in_page_id=11

  17. sonia — on 2nd May, 2006 at 11:23 am  

    typical of the problem that besets the political system generally everywhere, as far as i can see! i mean this is more ‘visible’ in a way - having a bunch of tottering old Tory ‘Uncles’ is hardly ‘representative’ either.

    i suppose there could be some issues about not being able to speak the language though!

    interesting though - this has got me thinking about another issue with the electoral system here - not many people really know the rules anyway. some are pretty arcane - e.g. to do with who can vote in the General Election etc. etc.

  18. al — on 2nd May, 2006 at 12:06 pm  

    Oliver Miles @ cif : “Vote early, vote often“

  19. Zak — on 2nd May, 2006 at 12:22 pm  

    imposing candidates isn’t the solution but certain core proficiency requirements would help..Labours problems are more down a general malaise in the party from being in power for so long, having such a old hold on the asian vote and it’s desperate attempts to reclaim the asian vote post Iraq war.., the tories in my area are fielding quite a few Asian candidates ..it makes sense that when you drop the ideological element from it many middle class Asians would probably vote tory..

    as far as the lib dems are concerned well at the local level the lib dems play fast and hard so pretty much anything goes!

  20. Joe Otten — on 2nd May, 2006 at 12:58 pm  

    Sunny -

    It is pretty hard to impose guidelines if the final decision is made locally. Branches can be suspended or have candidates imposed, and this does happen in extreme cases.

    But there will always be a trade-off between involving members and being suspicious of entryism. Should there be different standards for new asian members? It is not only asians who recruit family and friends to win nominations.

  21. Jay Singh — on 2nd May, 2006 at 2:08 pm  

    We need to break down this whole biradari culture - I hope the courts throw those arrested in the slammer and throw away the key and that the police now prosecute anyone caught doing this kind of thing without mercy - like the forced marriage thing it is time to make examples of those so stupid and arrogant to view democracy as a mere obstacle to them and their bastard feudalist mentality.

  22. José Faria — on 3rd May, 2006 at 8:37 am  

    >After all this is just an extension of baraderi / pind / goan / village politics, that have existed for decades in Pakistan / India

    Er… I am originally from Goa. Can you explain to me what is so specific about Goan politics that contrasts with the rest of India?

  23. Mazoldboy — on 3rd May, 2006 at 12:26 pm  

    “After all this is just an extension of baraderi / pind / goan / village politics, that have existed for decades in Pakistan / India ”

    But this is England…..

  24. Sunny — on 3rd May, 2006 at 1:42 pm  

    Lol! Yeah Jay - why the reference to Goa? That was a bit out of the ordinary.

    Hi Joe: Should there be different standards for new asian members?
    Well at least some knowledge of English and understanding of local politics etc would be useful. Some of the people in Asian areas don’t even have that! I’m just worried that, as Jay says, it becomes an extension of how they play politics back in the sub-continent.
    Mazoldboy - agreed but that doesn’t mean the first generation immigrants are going to use a trick or two they learnt back there ;)

  25. Jay Singh — on 3rd May, 2006 at 1:55 pm  

    Sunny - it was foxy in her post 7 who made the reference to ‘goan’ - maybe it’s a word close to biradari meaning ‘name’ or something similar?

    fozxy explain yourself

  26. Jai — on 3rd May, 2006 at 6:31 pm  

    I suspect that “goan” comment was just a typo, and Foxy actually meant “gaon”, or village.

  27. Ravi Naik — on 4th May, 2006 at 2:00 pm  

    Sometimes I wonder if the Left - so keen in all things diverse - loses sight of the big picture. Obviously we are very badly served if the only people that can represent us have a village-like mentality or can’t say a word in English.

    Ah yes. The stereotypes. Being a minority means people will react to you based on experiences with other people like you. Remember the July bombings? The feeling that people are looking at you from head to toe is not something I can forget so quickly.

    And so, I do tip more than my girlfriend in restaurants, and always give up my seat to others in the bus or tube. If people are going to stereotype your ethnic background, you might as well give a good one.

  28. Sunny — on 4th May, 2006 at 2:36 pm  

    And so, I do tip more than my girlfriend in restaurants, and always give up my seat to others in the bus or tube. If people are going to stereotype your ethnic background, you might as well give a good one.

    haha! You’re not the only one. I suspect there’s a good percentage of us trying to make up for our more wayward brownies.

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