Bank Holiday Weekend open thread


by Rumbold
24th May, 2009 at 11:05 am    

If anyone is doing this tomorrow, you have my admiration:

Watch out for the safety stewards, and the person who starts a chant of “cheese”. Results of last year’s races here.


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  1. Amrit — on 24th May, 2009 at 1:49 pm  

    You mean, ‘tomorrow.’

    I’m busy being too hot to move, much.

  2. sonia — on 24th May, 2009 at 5:01 pm  

    Heh Amrit i know what you mean! its so warm!

  3. Amrit — on 24th May, 2009 at 5:18 pm  

    Btw sonia – you’re famous. I have blogged you, and am in the process of doing so A SECOND TIME!

  4. Jai — on 24th May, 2009 at 6:25 pm  

    I’m busy being too hot to move, much.

    There goes Amrit blowing her own trumpet again…..

    (think about it)

    ;)

    *********************************

    Here are some nice songs which I’d like to share…..

    A wonderful live performance by Rahat Fateh Ali Khan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ueUsrIrCMM

    And a fantastic clip from a live concert by the ghazal god that is Mr Jagjit Singh:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE28qSwCS5o

  5. asquith — on 24th May, 2009 at 6:26 pm  

    Went for a walk in the Peak District- as I live in Sjoke, I have easy access to this & other country areas.

    Followed by a Sri Lankan takeaway. Now storming through the blogosphere.

  6. Rumbold — on 24th May, 2009 at 6:42 pm  

    Carry On Jai.

  7. Vikrant — on 24th May, 2009 at 8:32 pm  

    I got up today and realised, I’ve lost all the vestiges of my British accent… its like completely midwestern now. I feel I’ve lost my identity :( .

  8. Roger — on 24th May, 2009 at 9:31 pm  

    Any chance of getting cheese rolling into the Olympics?

  9. sonia — on 24th May, 2009 at 11:13 pm  

    Amrit…wow really?? OK, you’re going to have to send me a link or sth..my browser history has cleared itself somehow and i can’t find your blog by googling! (oh hang on..i see you’re under the in-laws, i’d been wondering why you weren’t down as ‘family’…(??)

    Heh heh Jai, very funny, i hadn’t thought of reading amrit’s comment quite that way..but there you go! she’s busy being hot that girl :-)

    Saw a few millwall fights this evening..ran into one, couldn’t get into any pubs because of it, the police were closing them all down early!

  10. sonia — on 24th May, 2009 at 11:30 pm  

    Thanks Amrit – cheers. (My blog seems to be down at the mo. which is annoying because i’ve been itching to do some writing!) so thanks for the mentions in your blog..i think this stuff needs to be out there. given – and as some of us know, there is a BIG issue around all these Saudi men/ME men seeming to think their maids are slaves and therefore natural targets for harassment. Precisely because there is sexual harassment everywhere on the part of big bods who ‘own’ things, (like feudal lords and corporate bosses)so just imagine, how much worse is it if you’d had a tradition where your ancestors were allowed to do just that, why…it might encourage some people in thinking it was actually right! (or using it as some kind of excuse anyway, how convenient) Legalising and legitimising the owing of sexual favours to bosses/owners – how clever is that !- whilst managing to claim that you are doing sth about ‘humanising’ slavery in the process, very clever you must give it to them. Great politicians they were clearly!)

    p.s. amrit, the most galling thing you know – is that apparently one of the ‘humane’ aspects of this sex angle to it was, that apparently it allowed ‘the fulfilment’ of the slave’s sexual desires! Can you imagine – the cheek of that. Maybe the slave wanted to choose who to “relieve” their desires with (sounds like a trip to the loo or sth) rather than have to give it up to boss man. Bloody colonialists. (why couldn’t they be straight about whose desire it was eh?)

    Oh this topic makes me so hopping mad (how can it not be the same for everyone else??) i’ll quit here so i can enjoy the rest of my bank holiday weekend. :-)

  11. billericaydicky — on 25th May, 2009 at 9:17 am  

    Couple of snippets from the Voice this morning. It seems Lee Jasper has opened an African Academy to deal with the exclusion of black youths from schools with, it seems, predominantly white racist teachers.

    Iv’e never been able to work this one out. The NUT has more members of the SWP than any other union but if a black youth fails exams or is excluded then it is all the fault of the racist teachers.

    There is a discussion going on as to why it is only boys from an African Caribbean background that fail and not boys from African families. I don’t know why he doesn’t give up and get a job!

    And it seems that two Asian sisters have developed an anti tan product that enables them to go in the sun but not get any darker. This was in Asian News apparently, I only get Eastern Eye and have never heard of this one.

    It has always interested me how the ethnic media have always carried the ads for the skin ightening products
    while running articles decrying the whole thing.

  12. Golam Murtaza — on 25th May, 2009 at 10:26 am  

    Billericay,
    saw the ‘anti-tan’ product thing in an article on the Asian News website. It was a free plug for the business basically. All written in a chirpy, upbeat style but made me feel uncomfortable.

  13. halim — on 25th May, 2009 at 10:30 am  

    “It has always interested me how the ethnic media have always carried the ads for the skin ightening products
    while running articles decrying the whole thing.”

    It is what papers do, right, need the ads to survive as a business, newspapers and magazines can’t survive on people buying it – it’s the adverts that bring in the revenue.

    Which is why Marie Claire and Cosmo are full of stories about women’s empowerment and love your body whatever the size and yet every ad is about losing weight and how to boost your lips and other anatomical parts.

    All very sad.

    anwyays.

  14. billaricaydickey — on 25th May, 2009 at 12:30 pm  

    The first Asian feminist I ever met was Mala Sen and I remember her going on in the mid seventies about the marriage ads in Indian papers. “Wheat complexioned brides” always seemed to be popular much to her anger.

  15. Golam Murtaza — on 25th May, 2009 at 12:40 pm  

    Ha! ‘Wheat complexioned’ used to make me perplexed. I had this strange idea that wheat was bright yellow, so wondered why yellow-coloured women were apparently in such demand.

  16. Raj Saxena — on 25th May, 2009 at 3:39 pm  

    No comments or posts about Vienna?

    The MSM has been useless.

    At first they make it sound like a white-on-brown hate crime, then we find out it’s brown-on-brown, but they don’t tell us why (probably because they can’t make head or tail of things).

    Surely Picklers can do better.

  17. Amrit — on 25th May, 2009 at 4:47 pm  

    Jai and sonia:

    Oh yeahhhhhh, baby. I am so hot, I am like… FRESH OUT OF THE OVEN

    *tittering*

    Er, anyway.

    Given that things are turning towards ‘wheatish complexions’, as one of those so-called ‘wheatish’ women, might I just say that the trend for lighter skins is absolute fucking bullshit and benefits no-one. Other than those making money off of it. Kinda like the diet industry in the West.

    I cannot believe there is an anti-tan. AN ANTI-TAN? WTF is up with the world?!

  18. sonia — on 25th May, 2009 at 5:32 pm  

    13 – as halim says!

    it is only here that skin lightening products make people uncomfortable – in the indian subcontinent, “we” women worship them, and pressure each other to use them (if we are not “blessed” with fair skin) and taunt each other if we have got a tan in the sun or something, and don’t understand those people who claim ‘not to care’ about their complexion (and secretly suspect that they are talking bollocks). NO one in the Indian subcontinent pretends there is anything wrong with wanting to have your skin as pale as you can – why! we are honest and open in admitting we have an inferiority complext because of our dark skin and nothing would please us more to be fairer skinned, as then we would be able to be as racially supremacist as we *really* desire to be.

    internalised racism of course, which is why racism is not ‘surprising’ to us, or rather we are suprised that goris are not more racist, after all we would be even more racist and discriminatory if we were paler, right? because pale is good!

    tsk tsk.

    p.s. Amrit – i think you’d be described as a few notches up from ‘wheatish’ on the scale. (!) We are unashamedly racist in bangladesh, so i always look forward to the comments ‘what, you’re even DARKER this year than last, wtf is up with the english climate, you’re supposed to be LIGHTER¬!’ Heh./ (maybe they think it will ‘rub’ off as well or sth?) I have always been perversely pleased to not be as pale as they (women in family) would like me to be. Made it much harder for me to be a ‘suitable’ bride, so thank goodness.

  19. halim — on 25th May, 2009 at 6:25 pm  

    Sonia

    well i have permanently been in tropical weathers for some time now and whenever I come home to London my Mum asks ” have you had a shower yet?” and i am never sure why she asks each time.

    I won’t forget a comment a white friend made in Dhaka to me when i came back from a beach holiday in the region , ‘Halima, i don’t mean to sound racist but you’re really tanned, i can really see it..”

    which made me laugh.

    There is also that wonderful one liner in Mississipi Masala when one of the aunts says ‘ You can be poor and find a husband, but you can’t be dark and poor at the same time, no. no…’.

  20. Rumbold — on 25th May, 2009 at 8:35 pm  

    Halima- you are missing an ‘a’. Unless you have had surgery.

  21. Rumbold — on 25th May, 2009 at 8:35 pm  

    Halima- you are missing an ‘a’. Unless you have had surgery.

  22. qidniz — on 26th May, 2009 at 6:02 am  

    Here are some nice songs which I’d like to share…

    Youtube is a fascinating, extraordinary resource. Casual browsing unearthed an amazing collection of artistes performing that acid test of Hindustani Classical vocal, Raga Darbari.

    For example, here is the same “lyric” (bandish) performed by: Amir Khan (who is said to have “owned” it — this is a short version, probably recorded for a 78-rpm); the Mishra brothers with a very different style; and another jugalbandhi (duet) of two great vocalists, 44 years apart in age(!), in two parts.

    Not to mention many other great artists, such as the incomparable Bade Ghulam Ali Khan (and again), Nazakat and Salamat, and Bade Fateh Ali Khan (with his nephew, Amjad Amanat Ali Khan).

    And coming full circle for Jai, here is Nusrat with another vocalist he’ll surely recognize :-)

  23. billericaydicky — on 26th May, 2009 at 9:13 am  

    Interesting thread here. In the African Caribbean community there is a similar discussion going on as to what it is to be black. Some sections are arguing for mixed race people to be classified separately which of course begs the question what is mixed race as I have never come across anyone from what we used to call the West Indies who hasn’t got some white in them.

    Then we have the OBV definition that anyone who isn’t white is black. This it seems is a “political construction”, invented by god knows who, that has now been accepted by the government.

    It seems that “blackness” is defined by anyone who has “suffered” because of the colour of their skin and/or racial oringen. I suppose we could put the Irish and Eastern Europeans into that category except that they are white and have been rejected.

    I have always though that the one drop rule adopted by the race industry is a mirror image of the one used in the segregationist south of the States and in apartheid South Africa.

  24. qidniz — on 26th May, 2009 at 2:25 pm  

    The spam filter gabbed my post. Apparently, even a message to the entire editorial team couldn’t rescue it.

    Does anyone know — or better yet, can anyone publish — the criteria used by the spam filter? It would be useful to know what to avoid so that one needn’t waste time composing something only for the bit bucket.

  25. Roger — on 27th May, 2009 at 1:38 am  

    ” I suppose we could put the Irish and Eastern Europeans into that category except that they are white and have been rejected.”
    “Black” is the term used in Russia for members of described or feared nationalities. In the nineteenth century prejudice against both blacks and the Irish was expressed- and justified- in almost identical terms by “Anglo-Saxon” peoples.

    “I have always though that the one drop rule adopted by the race industry is a mirror image of the one used in the segregationist south of the States and in apartheid South Africa.”
    Not a mirror image but exactly the same assumption or fear by “whites” that “one drop” removes all “whiteness” from the racial identity and transferred and used for self-identification. In Faulkner’s Absalom! Absalom! Henry Sutpen is much more worried that his best friend and sister’s lover has one- undetectable- drop of black blood than that he is their half-brother.

  26. Jai — on 27th May, 2009 at 10:06 am  

    Qidniz,

    Thanks for #22. Some absolutely superb classical music there. And you’re right about Youtube too; it’s quite amazing what can be found there — all kinds of musical gems turn up.

    And coming full circle for Jai, here is Nusrat with another vocalist he’ll surely recognize

    Thanks for that too. The user who posted that is certainly prolific — he’s submitted about 167 video clips of Nusrat saab’s performances !

    By the way, the sidebar has an excellent (and more recent) collaboration between Rahat and Hans Raj Hans, posted by another user and depicting the same song.

  27. Jai — on 27th May, 2009 at 10:12 am  

    Amrit,

    Since you asked me to keep you posted on Lakhwinder Wadali’s progress on “Junoon” — unfortunately he was eliminated from the contest in an episode from two weekends ago. He went out in a real blaze of glory, though — he sang a shorter version of ‘Charka’ in his usual joyously uplifting way in order to say goodbye, and Ila Arun and one of the older female contestants (everyone had joined him on the stage by this time) were actually visibly moved to tears.

    You mentioned that you hadn’t heard the contestant Harshdeep singing before — here’s a moving performance of a song about Heer-Ranjha by her a couple of weeks ago:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Lc4X_vie0

  28. Rumbold — on 27th May, 2009 at 10:14 am  

    Yes, sorry about that Qidniz.

  29. Ravi Naik — on 27th May, 2009 at 10:36 am  

    NO one in the Indian subcontinent pretends there is anything wrong with wanting to have your skin as pale as you can – why! we are honest and open in admitting we have an inferiority complext because of our dark skin and nothing would please us more to be fairer skinned, as then we would be able to be as racially supremacist as we *really* desire to be.

    Tanned skinned is considered beautiful in Europe, where as in India light skin is considered beautiful… people here go to tanning saloons, whereas in India they use creams. If not for the fact that both practices are harmful, I do not see why we should project our Western racial hangups to India. Light or darker skin are not considered different races in India, just a beauty attribute.

    I also think that “light skin” is considered beautiful in India in the same way it was considered in Europe in the Middle Ages… women (and men) who did not have to work in the fields, were lighter.

    Anyway, we should ensure that we get as much sun as possible, to acquire a healthy dose of Vitamin D, this is specially important for Indians.

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