Comments on: Deport Charles Clarke?

By: sonia

sonia — Tue, 02 May 2006 11:26:19 +0000

vladimir is right up above. anyway i don’t quite understand what the whole hoo-ha is about. policies being changed? as far as i can see, the perceived problem is that the policies weren’t enacted – i.e. they couldn’t send the ‘foreign’ criminals off . why not? because of a lack of information and proper databases which meant one agency didn’t know that another agency has a bunch of rules which they’re meant to be following. given the state of government IT infrastructure, this should come as a suprise to NO-ONE. but as people have correctly noted, this ‘scandal’ gives plenty of people opportunities to drag up the ‘immigration’ hoo-ha, and politicians the opportunity to smear other politicians.

By: Bondwoman

Bondwoman — Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:15:47 +0000

Interesting post and thread. The issue is inevitably complicated by the fact that foreign prisoners get treated differently in prison – very few rehabilitation programmes, etc. That probably applies even to those who are actually permanently resident in this country with families, friends, etc., and who then offend and are imprisoned. And those who have fallen into the category we’ve heard so much about in the last few days will be more likely to reoffend, as they can only live illegally in the UK, and will have very few other resources to fall back upon in order to avoid reoffending. Hence the reoffending rate might be expected to be even higher than normal. On the other hand, every state as far as I know routinely claims the right to deport those who commit serious offences, and the only obstruction to this might be international human rights, if to do so would effectively render a person stateless. Plus, it is hard to counter the argument that the primary role of the Home Secretary in the UK is to protect the UK public (citizens and residents), and it is less his concern whether those in question might reoffend overseas. Difficult question, I think, and worth thinking more about.

By: Trofim

Trofim — Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:41:18 +0000

there are a 100 times that amount of indigenous criminals on the streets, in comparison to immigrant criminals But Vladimir, we're all immigrants. There is no such thing as an indigenous Briton, so I'm repeatedly told by those of a guardianesque persuasion, diversity managers etc. So there is no such distinction as indigenous criminal v. immigrant criminal.

By: Al-Hack

Al-Hack — Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:31:10 +0000

Even I can see the government’s immigration policy is fucked. Not because it is badly formed but because it is very badly managed. Get rid of the whole department.

By: nephthys

nephthys — Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:21:34 +0000

Well the British public have no choice but to accept that homegrown criminal scum will be released and that a high percentage of them will reoffend, they might find it a tad nauseating to give imported criminal scum the chance to remain so they can also reoffend. Times

By: Roger

Roger — Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:00:29 +0000

All these filthy foreign criminals stealing jobs from our fellow-british criminals…Er…

By: Vladimir

Vladimir — Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:55:18 +0000

In addition the idea of fast tracking criminals out of the country is a good idea, as long as ALL criminals are. They could be deported to Australia…

By: Vladimir

Vladimir — Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:51:02 +0000

I agree with the statement, though not knowing the facts I would predict that there are a 100 times that amount of indigenous criminals on the streets, in comparison to immigrant criminals. But then again this recent news allows us to continue is our much beloved Xenophobia.

By: Sunny

Sunny — Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:54:49 +0000

I was thinking the same too. Sure, given that these people are foreign criminals… but such a huge hoo-haa when they’ve essentially served their time? Either the British public does not believe anyone who serves their time should be let go, or 1000 people are going to over-run the country. Or…..