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  • BNP election poster, its lies and local newspapers


    by Sunny
    18th May, 2009 at 2:58 pm    

    Here’s the BNP election poster, scanned front and back and emailed in by a reader.

    An amusing fact of the poster is that the pictures aren’t real. The builders are American. Some of the other pictures are also stock images, and not real BNP voters. Most tellingly, the ‘normal’ white family pictured in the poster features this guy who has a Nazi symbol tattooed on his arm.

    Which brings me to my final point. Tory Troll / Adam is outraged that Newsquest, which owns several local newspapers, are carrying ads by the BNP. Meanwhile, some Royal Mail workers are refusing to deliver BNP leaflets.

    It is abhorrent that a newspaper group is willing to take money from a group with openly Nazi sympathies and links. Remember, Nick Griffin was only recently exposed as sharing a platform with a guy from the KKK and another from Stormfront.

    The Communication Workers Union meanwhile has won concessions for its workers so they don’t have to deliver mail they personally find objectionable. If you were a black postwoman, would you be happy delivering leaflets calling for Nazis? Probably not. No doubt many right-whingers will object to this as political correctness gone mad anyway.


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    1. Serenity — on 18th May, 2009 at 3:43 pm  

      Some Daily Mail BNP articles you seem to have missed.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1183050/An-economy-chaos-expenses-BNP-leaders-hope-perfect-storm-sweep-power.html

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1181668/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Protest-vote-Vote-fascist-fascist-.html

    2. Shamit — on 18th May, 2009 at 3:49 pm  

      Can’t say I am surprised. What would you expect from lying racist scum anyways?

      And the newspaper group should be shunned by all corporates and others especially the local councils.

    3. Phatman — on 18th May, 2009 at 4:13 pm  

      Interesting to note that Newquest owns the Telegraph & Argus in Bradford. Have always wondered about their decidedly BNP-esque editorial content in this most ethnically diverse of cities. Will have to pick up a copy to see if they have the balls to run BNP adverts in Bradford.

    4. Tory Poppins — on 18th May, 2009 at 4:18 pm  

      I’m a Conservative (no doubt classed as a ‘right-winger’ in your eyes,) and a find the B.N.P wholly abhorent. I made a detailed post on this here yesterday.

      However, despite the leanings of the BNP and how unacceptable one thinks they may be, your statement:
      “It is abhorrent that a newspaper group is willing to take money from a group with openly Nazi sympathies and links.” is also unacceptable.

      We live in a free country - freedom which my ancestors have fought and died for - and that includes freedom of speech - and the freedom to express oneself. This government has systematically tried it’s best to erode that, but the fact still remains that freedom is core to British values.

      You cannot seriously suggest that just because a political party that you don’t happen to agree with is gaining ground, they should be prohibited from participating in the same type of advertising and campaigning as other parties? That, by its very definition, is not freedom of speech.

      You may be wiser to utilize your time questioning why, exactly, certain people are turning to the likes of the B.N.P. . . . .perhaps it’s due to “political correctness gone mad?”

      Who knows.

    5. Sally — on 18th May, 2009 at 4:20 pm  

      Fabian Fascism is acceptable then?

    6. Tory Poppins — on 18th May, 2009 at 4:26 pm  

      Fabian Fascism is what we’re enduring under this current regime.

    7. Shamit — on 18th May, 2009 at 4:55 pm  

      Tory @6 - the Brown regime is based on that. But all they succeeded in was getting rid of Labour PM and ensuring Labour is out of power for a generation.

      You ie Tories should be thankful to Ed Balls (he was Chair of Fabian Society for much of Blair premiership). And his key objective along with his fellow Fabians was to get rid of Blair and put this incompetent guy as PM — you should be sending them flowers rather than getting upset.

      **************************************

      However, while I share your sentiments @4 — you would agree that it is within our rights to not to buy advertising with those newspapers. And also as someone who runs publications I would refuse to take any money from these racist slimeballs.

    8. MaidMarian — on 18th May, 2009 at 4:57 pm  

      Looking through the poster all I can say is, ‘crikey!’

      Do you think these people will promise to remember my birthday and carry a picture of me in their wallets too if I vote for them?

      Newsquest owns the Watford Observer in this part of the world. It has gone, in the space of a few years, from a truly outstanding local broadsheet to an awful tabloid full of non-news, people whining and witch hunts. A very sad decline. Sadly, the BNP’s vision of ‘anti everything’ would seem to fit well with the sort of thing that Newsquest appear to deem ‘news.’

    9. Tory Poppins — on 18th May, 2009 at 4:59 pm  

      Shamit @ 4 - fair enough. I totally agree with you.

    10. flipside — on 18th May, 2009 at 6:42 pm  
    11. dave bones — on 18th May, 2009 at 6:56 pm  

      We got one of those this morning in lewisham area

    12. Vikrant — on 18th May, 2009 at 7:06 pm  

      The Communication Workers Union meanwhile has won concessions for its workers so they don’t have to deliver mail they personally find objectionable. If you were a black postwoman, would you be happy delivering leaflets calling for Nazis? Probably not. No doubt many right-whingers will object to this as political correctness gone mad anyway.

      It IS political correctness gone mad. Don’t the Royal Mail workers get paid to deliver those leaflets? As Tory Poppins said, its a free country! All this will end up doing is that this weill lend credence to BNP accusations that they are being “persecuted” by the ruling classes!

    13. Shamit — on 18th May, 2009 at 7:24 pm  

      vikrant - spot on.

    14. Anon — on 18th May, 2009 at 7:25 pm  

      This is the relevant section from the agreement between the CWU and Royal Mail, which I believe dates from 2005. As can be seen, the CWU accepts that Royal Mail has a legal obligation to deliver election material, including that produced by the BNP. However, the agreement recognises circumstances under which individual employees can be granted exemption.

      It is jointly recognised that Royal Mail has a legal obligation to secure the delivery of election material for all nominated candidates and parties.

      Whilst it is expected that delivery will be made by the individual due to undertake the particular delivery, local management will deal sensitively and sympathetically with genuine requests to deviate from this arrangement.

      Such cases may arise as a result of personal circumstances or beliefs or where an individual believes that delivery of a particular item may incur personal risk.

      If such instances arise alternative measures will be used to secure delivery. These may include the use of volunteers from within the office or neighbouring offices to cover more than one delivery or, as a last resort, the use of supplementary resource.

      Both parties undertake to co-operate fully in the application of these principles and in resolving any difficulties that may arise surrounding the delivery of election material.

      This seems a perfectly reasonable arrangement to me, and the CWU should be congratulated for negotiating it on behalf of its members.

    15. Rumbold — on 18th May, 2009 at 7:30 pm  

      So in other words the leaflets will be delivered regardless, while the BNP will have another thing to claim victim status about.

      I think this could be counter-productive.

    16. Cyburn — on 18th May, 2009 at 7:36 pm  

      looks like the BNP website doesnt have the british jobs for british workers image on it lol

    17. Jai — on 18th May, 2009 at 7:54 pm  

      The “doctor” in the leaflet is a fake, apparently; he’s actually an American model. The elderly couple pictured are also the Italian parents of one of the photographers and don’t even have the right to vote in British elections. And the smiling bloke in the picture on the left with the black jumper conveniently covering up his arms actually has a Nazi ‘white purity’ tattoo on his forearm, and has links to several white power organisations.

      Yet more lies by the BNP.

      And I wonder if Nick Griffin and his friends realise the irony of having a photo of a Spitfire next to a reference to the Battle of Britain while embracing some of the very worst ideas from Nazism and having links to numerous extreme Neo-Nazi organisations. It’s like the KKK producing a leaflet with a photo of Martin Luther King on the front and implying that they’re a latter-day incarnation of Dr King’s struggle & message.

      Geniuses. Yes. Right. This is why Griffin and his deranged racist allies are so obviously intrinsically superior to those of us belonging to the subhuman non-white hordes.

    18. Ravi Naik — on 18th May, 2009 at 8:33 pm  

      For all the talk about freedom of speech, what we are dealing with is false advertisement - they show people who are not BNP supporters (not even British), and attribute them a quote that is patently false.

      Why are they not fined? Shouldn’t there be rules that penalise this sort of dishonest campaigning?

    19. Don — on 18th May, 2009 at 9:30 pm  

      Charlie Brooker has a good take on why BNP campaigns are inevitably crap.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/18/charlie-brooker-bnp-racism

    20. comrade — on 18th May, 2009 at 9:47 pm  

      4
      We live in a free country - freedom which my ancestors have fought and died for - and that includes freedom of speech - and the freedom to express oneself

      Did thiese facist murders allow freedom of speech and expression in Germany, France and Italy, did they fuck.

      I beleive the Nazis came to power through free and fair election. Are we going to allow these scums the same? Does anybody know who where the main finencial backer of hitler? No platform for the facist.

    21. flipside — on 19th May, 2009 at 12:29 am  

      We live in a free country - freedom which my ancestors have fought and died for - and that includes freedom of speech - and the freedom to express oneself. No platform for yourself.

    22. Refresh — on 19th May, 2009 at 2:19 am  

      Sorry flipside, ‘freedom which my ancestors have fought and died for’ and nearly perished if it hadn’t been for all those darkies from around the globe coming to the rescue.

      We need a counter-leaflet which once and for all shows who rescued flipside’s ancestors. Maybe we should take out adverts in those unmentionable newspapers.

      Followed by marches past war memorials by surviving darkies from WW2, led by Joanna Lumley.

      I am truly fed up with this phoney ‘freedom we fought and died for’ cloak these peeps reach for every chance they get.

    23. Vikrant — on 19th May, 2009 at 2:47 am  

      I am truly fed up with this phoney ‘freedom we fought and died for’ cloak these peeps reach for every chance they get.

      Yep Refresh! It riles me up when BNP and in general anti-immigrants fellas bring this argument up. Tell that to my grand uncle who lays buried some where in Monte Cassino, Italy under one of those thousands of graves marked “An unknown Mahratta soldier”…

    24. flipside — on 19th May, 2009 at 6:24 am  

      Comrade was talking freedom of speech at the same time saying no platform,democracy and freedom of speech we either have it or we don’t. I have great respect for anyone who fought for this country.

    25. billericaydicky — on 19th May, 2009 at 7:30 am  

      A lot of interesting topics raised here. The mention of Monte Casino is interesting as it was one of the most multi national battles of the war on the allied side along with Alamein. Apart from the 51st Indian Division there were Free Poles, French, Australians and New Zealanders, Greeks and even some Spanish Republicans who had managed to avoid being shot by Franco.

      The question of Press freedon, especially in local papers is one that goes wider than whether or not they should take paid for advertising from groups like the BNP. Our two local papers the East London Advertiser and the Hackney Gazette are both part of the Archant Group which also owns the Ham and High for the trendies of that part of London.

      At the GLA elections last year the Ham and High ran the BNP ad while the two East London papers refused because the journalists threatened to strike. What these groups do is allow the editors to decide taking into account the strength of the local anti fascist movement and the feelings of the staff.

      A far more dangerous threat to freedom of the press is emerging from an incident which I was told about yesterday. The Hackney Gazette has always been a good campaigning newspaper exposing all manner of goings on at the council. As in other parts of the country Hackney Councildistributes its own freesheet Hackney Today which everybody just recycles becuase it is just Labour Party propaganda.

      Hackney Council, which means Labour, had a meeting with Archant management recently and told them that if articles and letters critical of Labour were published in future then all council advertising would be withdrawn. The editor dug his heels in and was removed to another paper in the group. Effectively Hackney Labour Party can now determine whether or not their affairs can be scrutinised by an independent paper.

      Local newspapers are an important part of local democracy but now Labour, in this instance, is using its financial muscle to decide what the content of these papers is. Dangerous or what?

      On the wider BNP threat we don’t want people to slacken off in the last weeks of the campaign but there have been a number of encouraging trends. People should read the Andrew Gilligan article in the Standard which is reproduced in http://www.hopenothate.org.uk which gives what we think to be a good sumation of the scenario on the ground.

      If we can hold them at the Euro elections in a couple of weeks then everything, especially in outer East London where sixteen councillors are, can be thrown at them next years when all of those seats come up for election.

    26. Sofia — on 19th May, 2009 at 10:28 am  

      this is the shit i received in the post…made me feel sick

    27. Sofia — on 19th May, 2009 at 10:39 am  

      actually, who are the people that deliver these leaflets? I don’t think it was our postman…

    28. bananabrain — on 19th May, 2009 at 10:42 am  

      vikrant @#12 - spot on. i don’t see how support for this can be reconciled with free speech, or the public duty of public sector workers - can a black doctor refuse to treat an injured neo-nazi? can a black policeman refuse to supervise a bnp march?

      “fabian fascism” indeed.

      i expect most leafletting is done by activists, but paid mailshots presumably go through the royal mail as well.

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    29. Sofia — on 19th May, 2009 at 11:17 am  

      well if it was done by an activist I just wish i’d been home to open the door…cuz this brown girl was livid

    30. Shamit — on 19th May, 2009 at 11:24 am  

      “can a black doctor refuse to treat an injured neo-nazi? can a black policeman refuse to supervise a bnp march?”

      Well said BB -

      The thing is nowadays to be called left you have to be accepted by the lot who claim to be liberal and push “fabian fascism” down your throat. And most of them have no clue about public policy making or implementation. When these people define who can be left or not — then you know that the left is intellectually bankrupt and living in the past.

    31. Dave S — on 19th May, 2009 at 12:40 pm  

      Flipside @ 21 & 24:

      In short, you can’t use your rights to take away someone else’s rights, so for example, you can’t use your freedom of speech to take away someone else’s freedom of speech.

      The BNP use their “freedom of speech” to deny freedom of speech to others, and they use “democracy” to deny democracy to others - hence “no platform” for them.

      “No platforming” is not taking away the BNP’s right to hold or even air their odious views. It is refusing to lend credibility to those odious views by refusing to engage with or debate them “intellectually”.

      Perhaps just in the same way as any sane person would refuse to engage in a “debate” about what scum people with green eyes are - because there is nothing there of intellectual value to debate. To seriously hold such views would clearly be fundamentalist, ridiculous and laughable to the extreme - you might as well “debate” pixies at the bottom of the garden.

      So just because racists and fascists seem to be immune to what a ridiculous, intellectual dead-end line of “argument” theirs is, doesn’t mean that anybody else has to waste time engaging with such palpable, lunatic bollocks.

      There is no “debate” to be had with any type of fundamentalist who draws a line in the sand and refuses to even consider other possibilities.

      The BNP leadership are white supremacist fundamentalists. I doubt that most who would vote for them are, but that is because the BNP go to great lengths to mince their words and not reveal what they actually stand for. The BNP rely on misery, frustration, scapegoating and deception to obscure their actual objectives. In their opportunism in attempting to portray themselves as “a protest against the rest”, they will stop at very little to try and trick frustrated people into voting for them. Unfortunately, this is a tactic which works quite well a lot of the time, and is exactly the same tactic employed by Hitler when the Nazis were democratically elected to power.

      Luckily, if the British Nazi Party are ever elected to any sort of power (which they won’t be), there are now plenty of people who have learned many of the lessons of history, and would, I expect, take to the streets and physically prevent the implementation of fascism here. Where this approach falls short, is when other (comparatively less fascist) parties pick up the fascists’ line on things, and begin to adopt it as their own policy. Both Labour and the Tories are guilty of this, and to be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if even the LibDems have their brushes with it on occasions.

      In my humble opinion, ridicule is a the best tactic against fascism, coupled with the availability of positive alternatives - but there’s certainly room for a lot of different strategies for keeping fascists from the power they crave.

      Fascism is dead where community thrives. That is the type of approach I generally take these days.

    32. Ravi Naik — on 19th May, 2009 at 1:07 pm  

      spot on. i don’t see how support for this can be reconciled with free speech, or the public duty of public sector workers - can a black doctor refuse to treat an injured neo-nazi? can a black policeman refuse to supervise a bnp march?

      Agreed, bananabrain. In fact, these Royal Mail workers who are refusing to deliver BNP leaflets should be suspended for not doing their jobs. As long as the BNP is a legitimate political party, they should be treated as such.

      Here is the deal. We know Nick Griffin has strong connections with Don Black and David Duke, both of which have close links to the most extremist neo-nazi and Klan activity in the US. We also know that while they support “freedom of speech” when it convenient to them, they will be the first to ban whatever they disagree with: people on the grounds of race and ethnicity, religious beliefs that they feel are not “white”, sexual orientation that they consider to be immoral, etc.

      Hence, the last thing I want is to censor the BNP, and make them martyrs of freedom of speech… what a travesty would that be! Instead, as David S said, I want them to be humiliated, ridiculed and even fined for being dishonest, a bunch of hypocrites and frauds. They can pretend that they are a responsible party with competent and capable people to run this country, which respects freedom of opinion and religion, but I guess there is enough evidence that says otherwise!

      ***
      David S, the last time we talked, you were explaining me the virtues of anarchy and that you were going to be a Dad. How did it go with the Dad thing? :)

    33. Ravi Naik — on 19th May, 2009 at 1:09 pm  

      spot on. i don’t see how support for this can be reconciled with free speech, or the public duty of public sector workers - can a black doctor refuse to treat an injured neo-nazi? can a black policeman refuse to supervise a bnp march?

      Agreed, bananabrain. In fact, these Royal Mail workers who are refusing to deliver BNP leaflets should be suspended for not doing their jobs. As long as the BNP is a legitimate political party, they should be treated as such.

      Here is the deal. We know Nick Griffin has strong connections with Don Black and David Duke, both of which have close links to the most extremist neo-nazi and Klan activity in the US. We also know that while they support “freedom of speech” when it convenient to them, they will be the first to ban whatever they disagree with: people on the grounds of race and ethnicity, religious beliefs that they feel are not “white”, sexual orientation that they consider to be immoral, etc.

      Hence, the last thing I want is to censor the BNP, and make them martyrs of freedom of speech… what a travesty would that be! Instead, as David S said, I want them to be humiliated, ridiculed and even fined for being dishonest, a bunch of hypocrites and frauds. They can pretend that they are a responsible party with competent and capable people to run this country, which respects freedom of opinion and religion, but I guess there is enough evidence that says otherwise!


      David S, the last time we talked, you were explaining me the virtues of anarchy and that you were going to be a Dad. How did it go with the Dad thing? :)

    34. comrade — on 19th May, 2009 at 5:54 pm  

      Dave S, you are spot on mate, millions were killed, because, we allowed these scugbags freedom of speech, so they could kill millions. 50 million did not die, so that these scumbags be given the right to spread their hatered through so called ‘freedom of speech’ they died so that ‘we’ can have freedom of speech,expression and thought. We the people of differnt color,religion, ethenicity can all live togather in harmony. These brave people, would probaly turn in their grave, when they here that the facist are once again, given that right, by the same people, who stood by, when Hitler was sending Jews, communist, trade unionist and anybody else who opposed him to the Gas Chambers.

    35. pounce — on 19th May, 2009 at 6:05 pm  

      I had to buy the torygraph today. (No Guardian)anyway in the letters page somebody had written in that ironically for the British Nazis Party that Spitfire in that leaflet was one flown by the Poles during the Battle of Britain.

      Laugh? I nearly choked.

    36. pounce — on 19th May, 2009 at 6:12 pm  

      Just had a look at that leaflet. On the back the 3 stooges proclaim that they earned the right and then list a few battles and a war.

      Funny thing, I was down the Falklands in 1982. Other than that fat twat on the right I don’t the other two were there.
      So if any BNP trolls wish to come on board and tell us all just how many Medals they earned for Queen (no mate not your lover) and country. I’m sure I can beat their score.
      P.S
      Play station games don’t count.
      If anybody wants to know I was the only coloured lad who was a CSB operator down there. In fact I did my second tour in 1983.

    37. Ravi Naik — on 19th May, 2009 at 6:28 pm  

      I had to buy the torygraph today. (No Guardian)anyway in the letters page somebody had written in that ironically for the British Nazis Party that Spitfire in that leaflet was one flown by the Poles during the Battle of Britain. Laugh? I nearly choked.

      They can’t get one right, can they?

    38. comrade — on 19th May, 2009 at 6:39 pm  

      ”Honestly now, would you prefer your kid growing up in Oldham and Burnley or the 1930s Germay? It would be better for your child to grow up there.”

      Mark Collett, leader of the young BNP on channel 4 in 2004

      ”Meanwhile, the indigenous side in-to-medium level civil war brewing in this country is getting its training…Its all going to to get very messy.”

      Nick Griffin’s blog BNP Website

      ”Rape is simple sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal… [it] is suggesting force-feeding a women chocolate cake is heinous offence.”

      Then BNP London organiser and GLA candidate. Nick Eriksen.

      The above quotes are from ULF leaflet.

    39. Don — on 19th May, 2009 at 7:40 pm  

      B’brain, Ravi,

      I can’t agree that the BNP would be being censored or denied freedom of speech were any particular newspaper to decline their business. Of course they have the right to produce and distribute material, even broadcast a PPB, but no individual or company has any obligation to facilitate their campaign - any more than I am obliged to stick their poster in my window.

      Any individual or company which chooses to co-operate with the BNP can, of course, do so. But they must expect people to draw conclusions from that choice and then make commercial or social decisions accordingly. If my local paper carried that ad I would stop buying it. If a neighbour put a BNP poster in his window I would pointedly stop asking if he’d had a pleasant weekend. Yes, I can be ruthless when I need to be.

      …can a black doctor refuse to treat an injured neo-nazi? can a black policeman refuse to supervise a bnp march?

      That’s not really a very good analogy. Clearly a doctor of whatever colour has an obligation to treat an injured person regardless of political or other convictions. I don’t think it is specified in the letter of the Hippocratic oath, but it is surely in the spirit. It does not imply a willingness to further their agenda, which publishing their material does. (Or at the very least suggests that the BNP message is not incompatible with their core values.) Similarly a police officer who supervises a march is there to keep the peace (in theory) and not to play a partisan role. A closer analogy might be a police officer supervising the march while wearing a BNP button.

      In fact, these Royal Mail workers who are refusing to deliver BNP leaflets should be suspended for not doing their jobs.

      That’s a trickier one. Legally postal workers can excuse themselves from delivering BNP materials if they find the idea morally abhorrent. In the NHS medical staff can, I believe, excuse themselves from taking part in abortion procedures. As long as the service is ultimately provided as legally required then I see no harm in individual employees asking for exemption from specific tasks which they find ethically repellent. The problem with that is where does one stop? Is a moslem NHS dentist within his rights to insist female patients cover up? Is an evangelical pharmacist entitled to refuse the morning-after pill? Can a YEC science teacher insist on his right to teach that the earth is 6,000 years old? I think we have to take these situations on a case by case basis and I don’t think the postal service has been unreasonable. The trash will go through letter-boxes as is required, decent posties won’t have to choke back their vomit while doing so. Seems like a reasonable compromise to me.

    40. Ravi Naik — on 19th May, 2009 at 8:04 pm  

      You make very good points, Don.

    41. Refresh — on 19th May, 2009 at 8:05 pm  

      Guys, we should be congratulating those postal workers and the CWU. Heroes!

      The BNP may well be a political party, and we the public can also play politics in our own way. Its not always the ballot box, its also how or when we acquiesce. And we cannot acquiesce to this fascist rabble.

      Goodness, how do you think the jews of the east end survived Mosley and his blackshirts. Or more recently, how was the threat from the Nnational Front seen off in the 70s and 80s? They were exposed for what they were, thugs seeking control.

      Its interesting and cheering to see people are willing to take a stand to the fascists should they come to power; and yet others seem too coy to recognise what is necessary to avoid such a calamity.

      We should make a big fuss about and support those who are refusing to deliver the leaflets. This is politics, be glad someone is brave enough to do it.

      Its such a shame we couldn’t have been more alert to these dangers when the far-right had a direct hand in triggering the 2001 riots.

    42. Northern Uproar — on 22nd May, 2009 at 12:44 am  

      billericaydicky, if you’re still reading this thread, can you get in touch with me about what you wrote on 19th May, 2009 at 7:30 am

      “A far more dangerous threat to freedom of the press is emerging from an incident which I was told about yesterday. The Hackney Gazette has always been a good campaigning newspaper exposing all manner of goings on at the council. As in other parts of the country Hackney Councildistributes its own freesheet Hackney Today which everybody just recycles becuase it is just Labour Party propaganda.

      “Hackney Council, which means Labour, had a meeting with Archant management recently and told them that if articles and letters critical of Labour were published in future then all council advertising would be withdrawn. The editor dug his heels in and was removed to another paper in the group. Effectively Hackney Labour Party can now determine whether or not their affairs can be scrutinised by an independent paper.”

      I REALLY need to know where this has come from, as I live in Hackney and can use this information to great effect. Could you give me an email on truthwillout09@yahoo.co.uk.

      Cheers

      Cheers

    43. billericaydicky — on 25th May, 2009 at 9:23 am  

      Northern uproar,

      Just noticed your post and will contact you on that email.

    44. John anderson — on 5th July, 2009 at 3:15 pm  

      I do not vote BNP but I don’t see the problem with them . Our country is been taking away from us by the Millions of foreigners coming here to scam our system funded by the tax payer . As a tax payer I am voicing my opinion that I do not want them . So good luck BNP

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