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By: douglas clark

douglas clark — Sat, 16 May 2009 23:46:13 +0000

OK, I do love:

Speaking as One who loves his divine Enormity…

Boys and girls, what do you think he could be talking about?

Do you think, perish the thought, that this is a reference to his big enormous nose?

Well, Pinnchio had one too, allegedly.

And for every lie, it grew, a bit.

Yes, that must be it.

By: douglas clark

douglas clark — Sat, 16 May 2009 23:29:35 +0000

I’d suggest that the site administrators remove the frank insanity of celt;lord before anyone else reads it. He, she or it is clearly insane.

By: celtl;ord

celtl;ord — Sat, 16 May 2009 21:13:31 +0000

blah, stop huffing glue

“Who found refuge in Muslim Syria”

What the refuge of the grave? 1.5 million dead

By why ignore the slaugheter of hundreds of thousands of Muslims by Armenian Christians before that and indeed in our own times?

evidence?

The point is my muslim brothers and sisters, as far as ancestral crimes go, you is as guilty as any especially if you’re an arab muslim, Whoa, sharia is evil incarnate, that is if you think slavery is evil, or child marriage is evil. See what in the west is just a garden variety psychopathic behavior is enshrined as God’s law in islam. Speaking as One who loves his divine Enormity, that is God, (a hanif) i am fucking offended that god is anyway tied to evil and obsenity that is islamic “justice” That’s why I wipe my ass with the koran… after a good chicken tikka. ,

By: celtl;ord

celtl;ord — Sat, 16 May 2009 20:48:14 +0000

blah… hindu fascist eh? C…E..L..T..L..O..R..D that’s Irish, Welsh, Breton, Manx, Scots, well pretty much any european stock really, moron. I love india for it’s significant contribution to Humanity. And I like f.ckin with brain damaged ‘tards. I guess you fell for it. Funny…. anyone who criticizes islamic beliefs or orthodoxy is a fascist, or what’s a another favourite, critics are insane, or oooh… you’re a racist, but only if your white. For you of pakistani descent, like two of my cousins, no Whitey ever called me goorha, or used the racist term apna in my presence. Oh, those aren’t racist terms, nether is paki, it’s just descriptive. Think on that next time your whining about some idiot calling you paki. For certain, kuffir isn’t a term of endearment. Granted it’s not a “racist” term, since it’s dehumanizing intent isn’t based on race. Minds warped by islam, some of you have bemoaned you racist treatment at the the hands of British peoples, yet your families came to Britain, for a better life than they could have in their home countries, they didn’t move to Britain because they wanted to do anyone there any favors. In return, Muslims act in a traitorous and seditious manner, and you surprised when the axe falls. It hasn’t even started, and men like me will try and shield Sikhs, Buddhist, and Hindus. We will do nothing for muslims cause the creed is itself total garbage. Some might say..You can’t hang all muslims for the actions and words of a few. What constitutes a few? Latest polls suggest 15 to 20% of the muslim population of Britain is radicalized, The same across Europe, maybe a little less, out of roughly two million people, that’s 150000 to 200000 jihadis or sympathizers, we, native Britons don’t owe these people a f.ckin’ thing. We don’t owe muslims anythin’. We don’t have to sort the good from the bad, why should we? Pakistan deported millions of afghans, the majority of whom were born to people born in refugee camps in pakistan. The same standards between peoples is a form of justice, why should the descendants of Pakistanis, expect better treatment from Britons than, Afgans receive from Pakistanis, when significant portions of the islamic population are by definition traitors, based on their scriptures, traditions and religiously supremacist ideologies. Muslim imperialism in the eyes of believing muslims is a good thing, allah’s rule supreme, moehammed as the last prophet, and all the other religious crap, I hear muslims in the UK, prattle on and on about Western imperialism. Do irony and hypocrisy enter into a muslim mind at all, You have to wonder.

By: Don

Don — Sat, 16 May 2009 17:39:11 +0000

There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

Y’see, right there is where your whole argument turns to scribble.

By: blah

blah — Sat, 16 May 2009 16:54:32 +0000

Celtlord
“Lets start with the slaughter of 1.5 million christains by muslim turks and kurds, in 1915.”

Who found refuge in Muslim Syria

By why ignore the slaugheter of hundreds of thousands of Muslims by Armenian Christians before that and indeed in our own times?

“The rape of Holy Mother India continues to this day, two limbs torn from Her body”

Ah CeltLord is a Hindufacist- sorry to hear about you losing the elctions loser

LOL

By: blah

blah — Sat, 16 May 2009 16:52:13 +0000

Iftikhar Ahmed, may God bless him, fills alot of forums with his absurd proposals for teaching Urdu to Muslims in schools (isnt he aware that Urdu isnt the language of Turkish or Somali or Bengali Muslims?)

Cultural is not a static thing. It is continual changing – the culture of Muslims in the UK is largely a British one and will continue to more and more so.

“A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notorioulsy monolingul Brit.”

Speak for yourself. This Muslim thinks everyone in this country should have English as their primary language and lack of English is holding back sections of our community. Its far better for UK Muslims to be monolingual in English than in Urdu, Bengali or Somali.

By: blah

blah — Sat, 16 May 2009 16:46:06 +0000

Tobias
“Celtlord, go over to Harry’s place will ya. You’ll find people like yourself over there.
You might even find people who’ll convince you that Muslims were responsible were the holocaust!”

Are you suggesting Muslims werent responsible for the holocaust? You are a anti-semite and a holocaust denier. As you know Hitler was actually a great lover of the Jewish people until the Mufti of Jerusalem came and twisted his mind.

By: Iftikhar

Iftikhar — Sat, 16 May 2009 16:02:36 +0000

Salaam

Muslim children have been attending state schools for tha last 60 years. They have been suffering from Paki-bashing and bullying. Majority of them have been leaving schools with low grades. They have been leaving schools without learning their cultural and linguistic skiils. The result is that they do not know where they belong. They suffer from Identity crises. Now Muslim youths are victim of terrorism. Thousands of them are being searched in streets and hundreds of them are behind the bar without any trial.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school.

There are hundreds of state and church schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools.

Bilingual Muslim children need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time, they need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notorioulsy monolingul Brit.
Iftikhar Ahmad
London School of Islamics Trust
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

By: Tobias

Tobias — Thu, 14 May 2009 21:50:10 +0000

Is Celtlord insane??

Celtlord, go over to Harry’s place will ya. You’ll find people like yourself over there.
You might even find people who’ll convince you that Muslims were responsible were the holocaust! Ooohh, I’m sure you’ll like that. Now run along, be a nice little boy and don’t bother returning here.

By: Celtlord

Celtlord — Wed, 13 May 2009 21:08:19 +0000

imran Khan, I’m lying., pogue ma hone, that
’s kiss me ass, your shallow attempts to defend islam’s elevation of what gets you arrested for pedophilia, and the ungreased end of a broomstick up the ass with a friendly knifing in jail in many Western countries. It’s our culture, can’t help it. Islam’s elevation of what in Western terms is a babyrapist. If I have to explain the removal from collective society of those who harm children. Our Cultural gulf is too vast, sorrowfully beyond redemtion. You can prattle on about the guilts we can hang on peoples from history, but to seek reparations from itailians for atrocities committed by Romans, seems to me like many of your hysterical accusations against my ancestors. When these, relevance, I question, accusations are held to a historical record, I mean the One drawn from multiple sources, the best approximation of what really happened, Comparatively, oh say From the same historic pool, say … to islamic history, Do you want to compare body for body, rape for rape, theft for theivery, I don’t have time. We just happened to be very good at it, comparatively, Between Western Civilization and Islamic culture though comparison can easily be done. The rape of Holy Mother India continues to this day, two limbs torn from Her body. Weeping alone cannot express the sorrow of this Horror. The peaceful bhuddist civilization north western greater India obliterated by islam, like the taliban blowing up those artifacts, Bamiyan Buddhas. Sons of syphilitic monkeys, everyone belongs in a fiery pit. Don’t even get me started ’bout Egyptian Copts, or the smattering of Chaldeans left in Iraq. Islam’s history is every bit as imperial, grotesque, blood soaked as Western history, with resounding differences, of course, Christianity put it’s sword away, islam has seized the ak47 profile as an emblem a’la… the insignia of a number of islamic terrorist organizations, hezboula, hezzbowler, himblower, however, you spell it, or the muslimbrotherhood, I mean hamas, oh what the hamas = him likes it in the ass, and the big bad Europeans left their evil empires, Englishmen no longer rule in Canada, nor in India, or Kenya. And they gave the world so much, in fact the only reason, Imran Khan you don’t live in a mad (no afford dung) hut might be attributable to the ideas if some of those big bad Europeans, ideas like labour rights, equality, democracy, universal education, secularism, universal medicare, however the haphazard, and faulting, the peoples of the West maybe in the application of these principles, we are alas only human, A look about the planet reveals the nicest places to call home are in countries, oft referred to as Western.

Ya know what? You, rogan josh slurpen’ little shit, I bet your hanging with your mates, and the subject of some kiddiddler moving into your neighborhood comes up, you, rightly want to get ‘im, no bloody way, right. Gets your blood up? No, if you were born without a pair, if not some of your brothers cousins friends would deal with this problem. But islam has so warped your mind that the same action by mohammed doesn’t raise questions in your mind. See there might be europeans performing all sorts of crap,often they end up in jail, but it isn’t sanctified by religion, as islam does in following moehmmed’s shinning example.

Care which religion, a grab for power comes from to not acknowledge their distinctive natures is folly and arrogant, In islamic law, at least the five major schools of islamic law, we see slavery resurrected and institutionalized following again Moehammed’s perfect path. Sharia, wouldn’t want to be ya… especially if your a woman, welcome to the wonderful world of being property. As well, don’t do anything or have the neighbors say you might have been seen by some other bugger, who heard you did something that makes the family look bad to the rest of the community, dishonored girl is dead girl. Raped girl gets you lashes and jailtime.. in the land of Saudi and that of Pak. Huhood laws are a crime. I am done, my dear son, Go gettchya’gun, If you don’t like the West you should leave before, the loonys begin their Fun. notes out of, in a mad world, the sanity assylum

By: douglas clark

douglas clark — Wed, 13 May 2009 12:56:12 +0000

thabet @ 19,

Oh, I don’t know. I am worried about the resurgence of religious pro authority arguements in the UK, and elsewhere, the US has it worse than we do.

I think, and you can correct me if I wrong, that this society has had to go through enormous upheavals to get to it’s current understanding about ‘church’ and ’state’. I tend to go off on one when that balance, i.e pro any religion rather than towards a secular society is disturbed. It tends to drive me nuts.

And I don’t actually care what religious group it comes from.

I happen to think that Islamic banking makes sense, but let’s have that argued on it’s, secular merits, rather than being a gift from God. You can, perhaps, see the point I was trying to make?

By: imran khan

imran khan — Wed, 13 May 2009 12:26:31 +0000

All though it wasn’t answered by the editors this article is by a member of QF and it says so on their website.

By: imran khan

imran khan — Wed, 13 May 2009 12:25:34 +0000

Celtlord – You are full of shit. The fact is that during all periods the worst genocidal maniacs came from Europe. As recently as the last century the Celts and their brethren killed millions of people and came up with methods to make extremination as efficient as a factory process. This is the culture you hold high.

Your fantasy is exposed in places in Germany, Yogoslavia, Serbia. Its your celtic brethren that are on trial for genocide in the Hague.

Hitler was also not Muslim you fool he was white and European.

As regards child brides well son its a practise that still goes on even in Europe and it was part and parcel of the bible. So making out its just a Muslim thing is bullshit.

By: Celtlord

Celtlord — Tue, 12 May 2009 23:14:07 +0000

Concerning my grasp, sahib Khan, of the Facts I have a number of non-muslim, that is Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Zorastrian, Sikh, Bi’hai, and of course Hebrew, minorities in islamically dominated countries, that would beg to differ with the religiously harmonious islam-ridden utopian fantasyland. You dream about when you think about periods of islamic tolerance. Lets start with the slaughter of 1.5 million christains by muslim turks and kurds, in 1915. The ongoing harassment closing in on persecution of Coptic christains happening in Eygpt. I have no difficulty at all, finding genocidal propaganda from islamic sources, calling for the extermination of the jews, finishing off hitler’s job, again calling for the torture and murder of homo’s, Europeans went after the jews time and again, we figured out it was a shit idea. Imran… you have any little girls in your family, cousins, a kid sister? Now, Imagine a old man of mid-late 50’s trying to have sex with her, remember this is the “perfect Man” Islam can almost be summed up in the moral decision, you make here… Is it disgusting, or acceptable, because he claims he is a prophet of God

By: imran khan

imran khan — Tue, 12 May 2009 20:42:35 +0000

Sorry that was meant to say that the majority of non-white Christians lived in the Muslim world and freely practised their religion unlike Europe where they were readily presecuted until not so long ago.

Right wing europeans seem to think they brought religious freedom to the world whereas in reality its another things that came from the ethnics and the east.

By: imran khan

imran khan — Tue, 12 May 2009 20:11:32 +0000

Celtlord or whoever you are – your grasp on facts is suspect to say the least.

Minorities in the Islamic world have enjoyed greater freedom than in Europe. At one time half the worlds Christians lived in the Muslim world, and indeed the vast majority of non-white Muslims. Not so long ago the Jews were persecuted to near extinction in Europe.

Child marriage is still practised in parts of Europe.

Get a grasp on social realities. In Holland the legal age of sex is extremely low so your own brethren are bringing down the consentual age for sex.

In biblical terms girls married at puberty.

We can carry on but your bile isn’t worth giving any attention to.

By: Shahinoor

Shahinoor — Tue, 12 May 2009 20:10:00 +0000

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By: Celtlord

Celtlord — Tue, 12 May 2009 19:13:01 +0000

notice the descriptions of beliefs, and perspectives, of a significant current minority of those who call themselves muslim. Moehammed, self proclaimed prophet, verily the last one at that!, Well, Islamic, Koran, I think declares this fatherless mongrel, the Perfect Man. Flawless, the perfect example of human behavior. is Moehammed, so muslims believe and would non-muslims believe, at least not say aloud the opposite. Moehammed, founder of islam, was an asshole, probably, psychopath, charismatic cult leader, who got lucky.
Accounts of his life from islamic sources demonstrate a man for whom the torture, removal of body parts, was part of war. A bloke who at 53 or 57, took a 9 year-old to bed. If that is anything other than rape to you, we have profound cultural differences. The value, “that children are never to be sexual playthings for adults” is a superior Western, as well Confusion, Hindu, Japanese, … Much of humanity shares this ethic. A mind polluted with islam, doesn’t see it as the rape of a kid. Google “khomenei fatwa babies sex”, what you will find is a translation of a book of the dead ayatollah’s list of permissible actions and forbidden ones. He list what is …. permissible in islam to do with sexually, as young as an infant. For the Sunnis, child marriages to old men are as common as blossoms on a cherry tree. Extreme cultural distinction from Western sentiment, authorities lock up childrapist, common people try to kill’em, Anyways, Moe was a asshole who would have endorsed Osama, may his seed wither and die cause all that camel rider said was a great steaming pile of Lie. Muslims can’t question their beliefs because since the 7 century islam has functionally drivin’ the people insane. People who claim to be progressive, should be able to recognize a true fascism, In the example, how countries subscribing to islamist beliefs and ideology practice Law?,… What is the state of their religious minorities?… Do they enjoy religious freedom, or are they villified, as many moslems in the west are currently claiming. The numbers of muslims in western countries is climbing at least a steady rate, since inception, islam, religious cleansing and expansion has been mandated by islamic authorities, look at the population figures for pakiscam, I mean Pakistan and Bangledesh, in 1948 around 25% Hindu, now less than i%, or close enough. The case in India muslim population exploding, curious is it not? Fascism migraded to the middle east and fused with islam in a potent new cocktail. Uniting with islamic colonists, is the path of a red ideologue, as opposed to Real Progressives.