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    Calls for investigation into mosque fire-bombing


    by Sunny on 7th May, 2009 at 1:06 am    

    On Tuesday it was reported that that Luton Mosque was fire-bombed in what may be a deliberate arson attack. Unsurprisingly, the media coverage has been negligible. To their credit, this has now also been picked up by the Quilliam lot.

    Quilliam calls on the Bedfordshire police force to conduct a full and transparent investigation into the apparent arson attack carried out against a mosque and Islamic centre in Luton early on Tuesday morning. Although no-one was injured in the attack, the mosque - whose Islamic classes are attended by dozens of children every day - was badly damaged.

    The incident has already provoked considerable disquiet in Muslim circles. Some British Muslim blogs have even voiced fears that the authorities will not treat this apparent attack on an Islamic centre with the seriousness that it deserves. The arson attack also comes just days after a court in Scotland heard a white racist plead guilty to threatening to execute British Muslims and to blow up Glasgow Central Mosque.

    Ed Husain, co-Director of Quilliam, said: “The police can only win the trust of minority communities by showing that they are serious about tackling all forms of extremism. By getting it right in Luton, the Bedfordshire police will go some way towards tackling the breakdown in trust that has occurred over recent years. This is an opportunity for them to show that they are serious about protecting all of Britain’s citizens.”

    I’m sure newspaper coverage has nothing to do with stirring up hatred amongst nut-jobs and leading to such attacks. Anyway, there are worries now that extremists on both sides will use this to stir up hatred, and most likely play into the hands of the Daily Mail brigade.



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    1. Andrew — on 7th May, 2009 at 1:13 am  

      For what it’s worth, the Daily Star reports it, although it’s debatable whether it’s a newspaper or not!

      http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/79505/Race-war-terror-as-mosque-fire-bombed/

    2. Roger — on 7th May, 2009 at 1:44 am  

      Was there any reason not to expect the Bedfordshire police force to conduct a full and transparent investigation before this comment?

    3. Andrew — on 7th May, 2009 at 3:49 am  

      “Was there any reason not to expect the Bedfordshire police force to conduct a full and transparent investigation before this comment?”

      So are they implying that Bedfordshire Police are racist/Islamophobic and won’t investigate properly? Taken at fact-value they are going to investigate this arson as they would any other serious crime.

      http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/lut-news/Arsonists-attack-Islamic-Centre-.5234449.jp

      “Insp Martin Peters, investigating, said: ‘It appears an accelerant was used and our immediate priorities include establishing who started this fire and why and making motorists aware.’ If you have any information, contact Beds Police, in confidence, on 01234 841212 or Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555 111.”

      In fact, I am sure that they will devote a lot of effort to this investigation, if only to avoid such accusations!

    4. Andrew — on 7th May, 2009 at 6:06 am  

      “Some British Muslim blogs have even voiced fears that the authorities will not treat this apparent attack on an Islamic centre with the seriousness that it deserves.”

      One odd thing, the ‘British Muslim blog’ it links to is none other than MPACUK - which has a strong smell of anti-Semitism and sees Zionist plots in every direction!

      http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/index.php/component/content/article/503

      http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=42118goto=newpost

    5. dave bones — on 7th May, 2009 at 7:04 am  

      Did you go to the Quilliam event recently Sunny? What happened? Did you write about it somewhere? I looked through some of the stuff online. What is the main thrust of what they are doing now?

    6. Roger — on 7th May, 2009 at 8:55 am  

      “One odd thing, the ‘British Muslim blog’ it links to is none other than MPACUK - which has a strong smell of anti-Semitism and sees Zionist plots in every direction!”

      The MPAC arricle is on MPAC for Ireland which suggests a certain geographical confusion too:
      http://www.mpac.ie/

    7. platinum786 — on 7th May, 2009 at 8:56 am  

      There is clearly no doubt that the Police have racist elements within them. They’ve been exposed many times recently and most famously by the BBC.

      There is also no doubt that the police handle crimes involving Muslims with some Bias. A stupid girlw ho writes poetry on the back of a WH Smith reciept can be tried in a high court, a man who threatened to execute a Muslim a day and bomb mosques is tried in a lower regional court where he will receive a lesser sentence.

      A man from Derby was sentenced to 6 years in Prison for shouting Bmb America at the cartoon protests, a BNP member caught with chemicals, explosives and rocket launchers who planned to target mosques was given two and a half years.

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6923933.stm

      Don’t tell us we’re jumping the gun Andrew if we see the police suspiciously. Time and time again Muslims in Britain have been persecuted at the hands of the police, like the guy who lived in Forest gate and was shot by polcie who raided his home, or the 14 Pakistani guys held recently.

      We have every right to be suspicious. The onus is on the police to prove themselves otherwise.

    8. billericaydicky — on 7th May, 2009 at 9:34 am  

      How about a sense of outrage at the vandalism of Christian Churches in Tower Hamlets, attacks on Anglican clergy, the disrupting of a Holocaust memorial meeting in Fiedgate St Synagogue, the smashing of the windows and the threatening of the congregation at St Annes Catholic Church just off Brick lane, the Brasilian Church in London where De Menezies used to worship and the daubing of ” Kill the jews” graffitti around the Chicksand Estate?

      Tolerance is a two way street Sunny. Unfortunately with the IFE controlled Tower Hamlets Council using PVE money to fund extremist groups we are probably going to see more of the same.

    9. platinum786 — on 7th May, 2009 at 10:15 am  

      billericaydicky, the communities affected by those crimes are free to be outraged and free to go the police etc. I haven’t stopped them, Sunny hasn’t stopped them, the Muslim community hasn’t stopped them. Don’t hijack the topic.

      The topic is about an attack on a Mosque in Luton, an arson attack and the Muslim community telling the police they expect them to do their job properly, and not fail us as they have in the past.

    10. Don — on 7th May, 2009 at 10:27 am  

      platinum

      Police don’t decide verdicts or sentences.

    11. Sunny — on 7th May, 2009 at 11:58 am  

      bill - it sounds like you’re excusing a racist attack on a mosque. Not very progressive is it?

    12. qidniz — on 7th May, 2009 at 12:37 pm  

      it sounds like you’re excusing a racist attack on a mosque

      What made the attack on the mosque racist?

    13. platinum786 — on 7th May, 2009 at 12:49 pm  

      Would the term Islamaphobic suit you better?

    14. Katy Newton — on 7th May, 2009 at 12:51 pm  

      bill - it sounds like you’re excusing a racist attack on a mosque

      Come on, be fair. That’s not what he said at all. I think the point he’s making is that the MSM is generally completely indifferent to attacks of this sort regardless of what flavour they are. That’s hardly excusing it. You may remember me bemoaning the general indifference to the rise in antisemitic crime here earlier this year.

      The conclusion I draw is that the vast majority of the MSM doesn’t give a shit about attacks on ethnic minorities generally. They are not considered news.

    15. munir — on 7th May, 2009 at 12:52 pm  

      Typical that a thread on a hate attack on a mosque degenerates into a Muslim bashing-fest

    16. munir — on 7th May, 2009 at 12:55 pm  

      platinum 786 qidniz isnt querying the terminology used; he/she is querying why attacks on mosque should be considered a bad thing. Recall what he/she wrote on HP “If the problem is Islam, then the solution is to get rid of it.” …

    17. munir — on 7th May, 2009 at 12:56 pm  

      Katy Newton
      “The conclusion I draw is that the vast majority of the MSM doesn’t give a shit about attacks on ethnic minorities generally. They are not considered news.”

      True but much of the MSM does care very deeply about reporting the bad things that Muslims do and in demonising them. Its the ludicrous bias thats the issue.

    18. Refresh — on 7th May, 2009 at 1:07 pm  

      I for one do not wish the MSM to raise this attack or most of the others into a major story. Not least until all the facts are known.

      What I do want is the MSM media to deal with all the other negative stories with professionialism, ie place facts before opinion.

      As for Quilliam, what the hell are they playing at? Is this the start of a trend where they speak up for concerned citizens of Luton?

      Wouldn’t they be better off spending their £1m dealing with the vile filth that comes out of some sections of the media?

    19. Ravi Naik — on 7th May, 2009 at 1:10 pm  

      Tolerance is a two way street Sunny.

      I don’t think these attacks should be viewed as a Muslims vs non-Muslims issue, but rather between law-abiding citizens vs vandals. And I have zero tolerance for vandals.

      I’m sure newspaper coverage has nothing to do with stirring up hatred amongst nut-jobs and leading to such attacks.

      I think one needs to wait until the investigation is over before jumping to conclusions about the nature of the attack.

    20. qidniz — on 7th May, 2009 at 1:51 pm  

      Would the term Islamaphobic suit you better?

      Yes, it would. What made you ask? Do you prefer “racist”?

    21. Roger — on 7th May, 2009 at 2:37 pm  

      “bill - it sounds like you’re excusing a racist attack on a mosque. Not very progressive is it?”

      Even if this was a fire-bombing- it hasn’t been confirmed yet as far as I know- it need not be conventionally racist. There are intra-muslim hostilities in Luton too. Was this mosque particularly involved- against or for- with the muhajirouns for example?

    22. billericaydicky — on 7th May, 2009 at 5:44 pm  

      The point I was making which Sunny has missed, probably deliberately, is that he seems to be concerned only when Islam comes under attack but either doesn’t know about or doesn’t care about rising antri Christian and anti Jewish feeling in an area now the subject of an alarming increase in both which is home to both a council controled by IFE and the East London Muslim centre.

      The Muslim Council of Britain has its headquarters in Cavell St and the Immam of the Mosque nearest to the Kaba in Mecca recently came for a seret meeting with senior Bangladeshi Labour figures but was photgraphed with him after the East London Advertiser was tipped off.

      Far to much importance is paid to Pakistani youth being led towards extremist forms of Islam but there is very serious situation developing in the East End. Some posting here have resorted to calling anyone who points this out racist HDD defence.

    23. marvin — on 7th May, 2009 at 5:52 pm  

      I’m sure newspaper coverage has nothing to do with stirring up hatred amongst nut-jobs and leading to such attacks

      IN the same way the vitriol in the left wing rags against allied forces in Iraq and Afghanistan had nothign to do with 7/7, and the faked Mirror pictures nothing to do with increased attacks in Iraq, and that anti-Semitic attacks were at there highest ever in the UK has nothing to do with the venom spewn from Guardian and Independent opinion piece against the fucking Jews, sorry I mean Israelis….

      Yes to some extend the ‘media’ left or right will affect rage in some grouping, but blaming the rage on the media is a bit far-fetched.

      The nutters have only have to watch the impartial BBC news to make their mind up - be it Gaza or homegrown terrorism.

      Robert Fisk who regularly rights some despicaply deluded and biased pieces of the Independent has been quoted by Bin Laden.

      Shall we bash Fisk for inciting Al-Qaeda and assorted UK Islamists???

    24. marvin — on 7th May, 2009 at 5:58 pm  

      The point I was making which Sunny has missed, probably deliberately, is that he seems to be concerned only when Islam comes under attack but either doesn’t know about or doesn’t care about rising antri Christian and anti Jewish feeling in an area

      To be fair, a while back did actually pretty much spell this new PP narrative out in his post on a called ‘change of direction’ or something.

      Something to the effect of deliberately focussing on Islamophobia because… well can’t quite remember but I think because the media report on them quite a bit since the various attacks in the name of Islam… So they are like the most picked on. By the news. And the media. And Mel. And Douglas. And the Daily Mail. In short, our real enemies.

    25. marvin — on 7th May, 2009 at 6:02 pm  

      But having said all of that, before I’m attacked as supporting fire-bombing of mosques and the media’s ignorance of it - in the first instance despicable, and the second, well what do you expect, the old media are hopelessly sensationalist, ignorant and twisted, depending on their mood of the week.

    26. mk1 — on 7th May, 2009 at 8:58 pm  

      1 - Before there were ‘calls for an investigation’, were the police not actually investigating it?

      2- The police seemed to have handled the Sikh temple attack a few weeks ago professionally so there’s no reason to suggest this will be any different or is there?

    27. Adnan — on 7th May, 2009 at 11:51 pm  

      @23

      “and the faked Mirror pictures nothing to do with increased attacks in Iraq,” - more like it probably didn’t really affect anything. Any increased attacks in Iraq would have more to do with the changing situation on the ground e.g. loss of initial goodwill due to lack of willingness to police the occupation, outside interference etc.

      Any rag would’ve taken those pictures including the Right-wing ones. Sometimes you think you’ve won something when it’s a crock e.g. The Times getting the Hitler Diaries.

    28. Adnan — on 8th May, 2009 at 12:03 am  

      Bill @22 Well, if Sunny is deliberately ignoring attacks by Muslims (which I strongly doubt) there will always be you and Marvin to remind him.

      “The Muslim Council of Britain has its headquarters in Cavell St” - so what?

      “and the Immam of the Mosque nearest to the Kaba in Mecca recently came for a seret meeting with senior Bangladeshi Labour figures” - again, so what ?

      “Far to much importance is paid to Pakistani youth being led towards extremist forms of Islam but there is very serious situation developing in the East End. Some posting here have resorted to calling anyone who points this out racist HDD defence.”. Please elaborate.

    29. billericaydicky — on 8th May, 2009 at 6:35 am  

      Adnan,

      Tower Hamlets has become the centre of extreme Islam in the UK. The bookshop next to the East London Mosque and London Muslim Centre sells, amongst other things, the notorious anti semitic forgery The Protocols of The Elders of Zion. I know because I bought a copy there.

      Friends of mne will not attend the mosque because of the hatred being preached and go to the Jamme Masjid in Brick Lane. Tower Hamlets Council is controlloed by IFE which is a cleaned up version of Al Mujeroon, or however, it’s spelt which is a banned organisation.

      The leade of the council Lutfor Rahman was photographed at a late night meeting with Azad Ali the suspended civil servant at the Halal Bite restaurant situated at 198 Mile End Rd, next to Stepney Green tube. The building is owned by IFE and is its official headquarters. The same Lutfor Rahman appointed Azad Ali to the Overview and Scrutiny Committee of Tower Hamlets Council which oks, or not, money that the council allocates to voluntary groups.

      The Immam of the Khaba is an extremist who has called for attacks on Jews and Christians. He is a bit like the Pope and for Rahman to be able to able to get this man to attend a secret meeting, which it was, is a bit like me inviting His Holyness Benedict xvi to tea to discuss a new Crusade to recapture Jerusalem. Might be bit difficult that, seeing as the Israeli Army is already there!

      I mentioned the Fieldgate Street Synagogue above and it is quite important because of where it is, it is now completely surrounded by the East London Mosque and Muslim Centre which have been built with Saudi Wahabi money over the last twenty years.

      Every week the Minyan of Jews gather to pray to keep the place open and are harrassed by young Muslims. They have been under pressure to sell for years but have refused to do so.

      Last year Tower Hamlets Council, on the direct instructions of Lutfor Rahman, voted money to improve the environment of Fieldgate Street. What this involved was a pavement mosaic directly outside the front door of the Synagogue on an “Islamic” theme. This would have meant that Jews would have had to walk on Islamic symbols giving the muslim extremists an excuse for more anti Jewish graffitti and attacks. Central government stepped in after the East London Advertiser exposed the whole thing and the plug was pulled.

      Interestingly the Islamic Centre has permanently retaind Carter Ruck the most expensive libel lawyers in the world on a permanent basis and all enquiries to do with extremist activities are directed to them.

      Could it be a coincidence that Baroness two homes Pola Uddin has also retained the same firm. I see Simon Wooley has droipped the photo of here and Frank Dobson from the OBV site, probably a bit embarrassed eh? Mull that over while I have breakfast.

    30. marvin — on 8th May, 2009 at 7:09 am  

      Bill, than is shocking. I had assumed England People Very Nice had totally over-egged the situation in East London, had just taken pieces from newspapers in order to make entertaining fiction. If what you say is true then it’s beggars belief that this crap is still going on after numerous exposes in the media of the state of radical islam being pushed out to the young on our streets…

    31. bananabrain — on 8th May, 2009 at 8:21 am  

      i expect the police to do their duty by the mosque investigation as professionally as taxpayers have a right to expect. it is disgusting that a place of worship should be attacked in such a way in this day and age. i think the same about the gurdwara and i think the same about the recent synagogue firebombing.

      there is absolutely no point in trying to score cheap political points off each other. if we can’t even agree on this, what hope is there?

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    32. Adnan — on 8th May, 2009 at 8:51 am  

      Bill @30. Thanks for the clarifications. Hopefully, the cops can do something about the harassment or are you saying they sometimes think it’s best to ignore such things ?

      Regarding the last paragraph, I’m afraid I don’t know much about the characters you’ve crossed swords with in the past but maybe you should do something more substantial (e.g. get the press involved) if there is more than a series of blog accusations.

    33. blah — on 8th May, 2009 at 9:26 am  

      billericy dicky

      “Tower Hamlets has become the centre of extreme Islam in the UK. The bookshop next to the East London Mosque and London Muslim Centre sells, amongst other things, the notorious anti semitic forgery The Protocols of The Elders of Zion. I know because I bought a copy there.”

      I have been going there for years and have never seen a copy. Indeed was there a couple of weeks ago. Why exactly did YOU buy a copy?

      And given that you indulge in absurd conspiracy theories about Muslims as well as the fact that such conspiracy theories about us” Eurabia” are freely available in mainstream bookshops and in the press your argument is pretty hypocritical.

      “Friends of mne will not attend the mosque because of the hatred being preached and go to the Jamme Masjid in Brick Lane.”

      Utter garbage. Bring proof.

      ” Tower Hamlets Council is controlloed by IFE which is a cleaned up version of Al Mujeroon,”

      Really ? so why did they recently vote to ban Hizb ut Tahrir? You are indulging in absurd conspiracy theories about Muslim control. And if you think the IFE who believe in taking part in democratic electiosn are the same as al Muhajiroon who consider it an act which renders a person a non Muslim , you are deluding yourself. Or maybe you think all Muslims are the same

      “The Immam of the Khaba is an extremist who has called for attacks on Jews and Christians. He is a bit like the Pope”

      No he isnt - in Islam an Imam is someone who leads the prayers- he has no political function. He is an employee of the Saudi govt which has close relations with the UK and doesnt say anything other than what they want said. In any case he doesnt speak English or Bengali which might hamper any planned discussion about the takeover of the UK.

      ” and for Rahman to be able to able to get this man to attend a secret meeting, which it was, is a bit like me inviting His Holyness Benedict xvi to tea to discuss a new Crusade to recapture Jerusalem. Might be bit difficult that, seeing as the Israeli Army is already there!”

      Thats just your insane paranoia

      “I mentioned the Fieldgate Street Synagogue above and it is quite important because of where it is, it is now completely surrounded by the East London Mosque and Muslim Centre which have been built with Saudi Wahabi money over the last twenty years.”

      Yes that has nothing to do with the fact that the Jewish community has moved out and a large part of the community now is Muslim. Youd have been ranting 60 years ago about how big the Synagogue was and how it was surrounding the Hugenot church that the synangogue once was. The East London mosque has been largely built by local donations

      “Last year Tower Hamlets Council, on the direct instructions of Lutfor Rahman, voted money to improve the environment of Fieldgate Street. What this involved was a pavement mosaic directly outside the front door of the Synagogue on an “Islamic” theme. This would have meant that Jews would have had to walk on Islamic symbols giving the muslim extremists an excuse for more anti Jewish graffitti and attacks.”

      Truly insane- why would they want people to walk on Islamic symbols?

      “Central government stepped in after the East London Advertiser exposed the whole thing and the plug was pulled.”

      Actually the story is bull and the East London advertiser sounds like a Daily Mail type rag. You need to be more critical in your reading.

      This is the mosques response

      http://www.eastlondonmosque.org.uk/uploadedImage/pdf/Joint%20statement.pdf

      “Interestingly the Islamic Centre has permanently retaind Carter Ruck the most expensive libel lawyers in the world on a permanent basis and all enquiries to do with extremist activities are directed to them.”

      Why are you suggesting Muslims shouldnt have access to lawyers?

      Dicky you claim to be anti-BNP yet your rhetoric is remarkably similiar to theirs

      “Could it be a coincidence that Baroness two homes Pola Uddin has also retained the same firm. I see Simon Wooley has droipped the photo of here and Frank Dobson from the OBV site, probably a bit embarrassed eh? Mull that over while I have breakfast.”

      Or while you get psychiatric help for paranoia

    34. fug — on 8th May, 2009 at 9:49 am  

      18. or literally shooting themselves and paymasters in the heads?

    35. damon — on 8th May, 2009 at 10:53 am  

      I am sure that the Bedfordshire police will treat this arson attack very seriously.
      More so than if it had been just a ‘normal’ arson attack that was simply about vandalism, or the more typical reasons that arson attacks take place.
      I’m sure Bedfordshire’s top cops have discussed it.

      I can’t believe that community harmony across race and religious lines is not something of a priority in a force like that. (Although the figures for ’stop and search’ do make you wonder).

      Remember it was Bedfordshire police who sacked an officer for getting his friend and colleague Muslin officer, a ”joke” christmas present of a packet of bacon and a bottle of wine.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-508030/Muslim-PC-laughs-Secret-Santa-gift-bacon-bosses-force-friend-gave-quit.html



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