Taliban target Sikh homes in Pakistan


by Sunny
30th April, 2009 at 9:53 pm    

The Tribune in India reports:

Taliban militants have demolished 11 homes of members of the minority Sikh community in Pakistan’s troubled Aurakzai tribal region after they failed to pay jiziya or a tax levied on non-Muslims.

Though the Sikhs have been living in Aurakzai Agency for centuries, the Taliban asked them earlier this month to pay Rs 50 million a year as jiziya. The militants claimed this was being done as Shariah or Islamic law had been enforced in the area and all non-Muslims had to pay “protection money”.

50 million rupees? It’s obvious that the Taliban are trying to drive out or kill anyone non-Muslim in Pakistan.


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  1. qidniz — on 1st May, 2009 at 4:19 am  

    It’s obvious that the Taliban are trying to drive out or kill anyone non-Muslim in Pakistan.

    Obvious? You mean it took a number like 50 million per annum to make things clear? Oh, how shocking, how aberrational!

    Have you ever looked into the demographic trends of religious minorities in the sixty odd years of Pakistan’s existence?

    The Taliban aren’t doing anything here outside the average Pakistani’s druthers. It’s long past time for the Sikh minority in Pakistan to go poof. For the greater glory of Islam and all that.

    I predict that Nankana Sahib will be blown up within the next 12 months. What has been done to Sufi shrines is a foretaste.

  2. platinum786 — on 1st May, 2009 at 7:55 am  

    ^^^ What kind of BS is that. Since when have we been ethnically cleansing religious minorities in Pakistan for the last 60 years?

    There have been ups and downs, but hardly anything to the scale of what the Taliban has done, or any sort of national campaign. The only time you could even elude to say minority groups have been targetted by public movements was around the times of the 65 and 71 wars when people became suspicious of minority groups, in a typical knee jerk kind of way. Even so at state level and in the general population as a whole, there is no evidence of widespread abuses against minority groups.

    Of course there have been isolated cases, and with the rise of the islamists, this has increased, but never have islamists had control of an area in Pakistan like they do currently in FATA and never have religious minorities been targeted in the same way.

    People of religious minority groups have held high profile positions in Pakistan, and some such as Cecil Chaudry are national heroes and decorated war heroes.

  3. qidniz — on 1st May, 2009 at 9:23 am  

    ^^^ What kind of BS is that. Since when have we been ethnically cleansing religious minorities in Pakistan for the last 60 years?

    Most of the ethnic cleansing occurred right after partition, in the late 40′s. See, for example, this analysis based on census data for 1941 and 1951. By the 50′s. minorities had been reduced to a remnant of about 4% in West Pakistan. The 1998 census made that figure 1.6%.

    There have been ups and downs,

    Er, no ups. All downs.

    Just a little more mopping up, and minorities will be history. No more fitna. You should be happy (and if you aren’t, check Q8:39, and then check Q2:193 for a reminder. You’re welcome.)

  4. platinum786 — on 1st May, 2009 at 10:06 am  

    What a neutral website to quote, surely they’d have no agenda against Pakistan or Pakistani’s right.

    And obviously post partition there was trouble, you can’t hold that against anyone, it was hardly exclusive was it, not to say any of what happened at partition was right. A big fuss is made about the holocaust, and rightfully so, but nothing is ever done to remember the crimes neighbour commited against neighbout at partition, which i feel is an equally dreadful period of time for humanity. Not becuase of the creation of Pakistan, but for the blood spilt during the entire process.

    However since that period of time there as been no sustained anti minority actions. Adhoc, of course there have been crimes, there is religious and racial and ethnic hatred worldwide, and Pakistan is certainly no exception, but to try and link our history and existance to the actions carried out by a few in Orakzai is not only factually incorrect it’s counter productive.

    Mind you you’ve proven yourself to be one of those trolls who only frequents sites to stir anyway. Your attempting to misuse the Quran to justify your hatred of Muslims and Islam, probably particularly Pakistani’s.

  5. Jai — on 1st May, 2009 at 10:26 am  

    I predict that Nankana Sahib will be blown up within the next 12 months. What has been done to Sufi shrines is a foretaste.

    Exactly the same thing has occurred to me. Worrying developments.

    It’s obvious that the Taliban are trying to drive out or kill anyone non-Muslim in Pakistan.

    Well, historically jizya was also sometimes used to indirectly pressure non-Muslims to convert, but it’s unclear if this is also the case in relation to the motivations of the Pakistani Taliban or if it’s purely “extortion money”.

    The militants claimed this was being done as Shariah or Islamic law had been enforced in the area and all non-Muslims had to pay “protection money”.

    If the protection of non-Muslims was of such paramount importance to the Taliban then they wouldn’t be demanding levels of cash that non-Muslims would be unable to pay, and they certainly wouldn’t destroy their homes upon non-payment of jizya. Yet more doublespeak by the militants.

  6. qidniz — on 1st May, 2009 at 12:55 pm  

    What a neutral website to quote

    The 1941 and 1951 census data are publicly available information. You can do the math yourself if you insist.

    However since that period of time there as been no sustained anti minority actions.

    The status of minorities in Pakistan has always been precarious and grim. The Pakistan section in this Wikipedia article has several references, such as this one. Pakistan is a typical Islamic hellhole for non-Muslims.

  7. Meer — on 1st May, 2009 at 1:41 pm  

    platinum786 — on 1st May, 2009 at 7:55 am
    ^^^ What kind of BS is that. Since when have we been ethnically cleansing religious minorities in Pakistan for the last 60 years?

    Platinum sahib please look here how many Ahmadis you killed in 1974 alone; http://www.thepersecution.org/facts/h71-80.html

    Also read site for all systematic government sponsored persecution of Ahmadis.

  8. Meer — on 1st May, 2009 at 1:48 pm  

    platinum786 — on 1st May, 2009 at 7:55 am
    ^^^ What kind of BS is that. Since when have we been ethnically cleansing religious minorities in Pakistan for the last 60 years?

    In 1953 government sponsored terrorism against Ahmadis by religious organisations like Jamaat Islami caused scores of Ahmadi deaths. Here are the details;

    REPORT of THE COURT OF INQUIRY to enquire into the PUNJAB DISTURBANCES OF 1953
    http://www.thepersecution.org/dl/report_1953.pdf

    Every student of Pakistan history and rise of extremism in Pakistan must read it.

  9. Meer — on 1st May, 2009 at 1:57 pm  

    platinum786 — on 1st May, 2009 at 7:55 am
    ^^^ What kind of BS is that. Since when have we been ethnically cleansing religious minorities in Pakistan for the last 60 years?

    Below is the law that declared Ahmadi beliefs as illegal. This law has survived several democratic governments and no one is in a hurry to repel this law.

    A passage from the constitution of Islamic Republic of Pakistan on how tolerant Pakistanis are towards others;
    ORDINANCE NO. XX OF 1984
    PART II – AMENDMENT OF THE PAKISTAN PENAL CODE (ACT XLV OF 1860)
    (3) 298C… Any person of the Quadiani group or the Lahori group (who call themselves ‘Ahmadis’ or by any other name), who … invites others to accept his faith, by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representations, or in any manner whatsoever outrages the religious feelings of Muslims, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years and shall also be liable to fine.

    This law is clearly designed to give slow death to Ahmadi community.

  10. Meer — on 1st May, 2009 at 2:19 pm  

    platinum786 — on 1st May, 2009 at 7:55 am
    ^^^ What kind of BS is that. Since when have we been ethnically cleansing religious minorities in Pakistan for the last 60 years?

    There are numerous incidents of government sponsored (or permitted) acts of persecution of Ahmadis. Please search on ‘Ahmadiyya Persecution’ and you’ll see them.

    A few recent ones;

    http://pakistaniat.com/2008/06/09/ahmedi-expelled-punjab-medial-college-faisalabad/
    http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile.php/2009statements/1947/
    http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile.php/2008statements/1694/

  11. Sunny — on 1st May, 2009 at 2:31 pm  

    The 1941 and 1951 census data are publicly available information. You can do the math yourself if you insist.

    Erm, unless one is extremely uniformed about history – there are obvious reasons why during that time the number of religious minorities were reduced in Pakistan.

  12. qidniz — on 2nd May, 2009 at 12:56 am  

    Erm, unless one is extremely uniformed about history – there are obvious reasons why during that time the number of religious minorities were reduced in Pakistan.

    One could hope that the reasons why the numbers steadily dwindled since then are just as obvious. But not on this blog, it seems.

  13. Hermes — on 2nd May, 2009 at 10:15 am  

    Pakistan is heading for oblivion. Within 2-3 years it will be a barren wasteland ruled by the bearded warriors of Islam. Its nuclear facilties will have been bombed out of existence by the US and it will be renamed Greater Afghanistan.

    Remember, you read it here first!!

  14. qidniz — on 2nd May, 2009 at 11:42 am  

    Outlook magazine has more in its latest issue (along with several pieces on Sri Lanka).

    The report on the Sikhs in Orakzai, however, doesn’t quite ring true. It doesn’t really make sense that a bunch of Mehsuds from Waziristan could simply show up in Orakzai and take over, just like that. There’s more to this apparently swift Orakzai capitulation.

  15. Raja Sahib — on 2nd May, 2009 at 11:07 pm  

    Raaj karey ga khalsa, (b)akhi rahey na koieeeeeee!
    Or maybe not as the case appears to be.

    Jaa ko rakhey saeenya, maar sakhey na koieeee.
    Don’t forget that.

    qidniz. the outlook article you link to has this at the top:
    “Since Muslims paid zakat or alms for the poor to the state, which was spent on welfare, non-Muslims had to contribute their share through jazia”.

  16. qidniz — on 3rd May, 2009 at 2:12 am  

    Raja Sahib

    qidniz. the outlook article you link to has this at the top:

    I think you’ve missed my point, which was this: it’s one thing for the Orakzai khans to impose jizya on their local Sikhs, and it’s quite another for a bunch of Mehsuds from Waziristan to barge in and do it instead. The report claims that the Orakzai have been intimidated. That’s almost certainly hogwash.

  17. blah — on 4th May, 2009 at 1:49 am  

    qidniz are you related to the moderate qidniz who wrote the following on the HP blog

    “If the problem is Islam, then the solution is to get rid of it.”

    http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/03/31/swat-valley-exports/

  18. qidniz — on 4th May, 2009 at 7:18 am  

    qidniz are you related to the moderate qidniz who wrote the following on the HP blog

    I post comments on HP as qidniz, and I posted that particular comment, but for obvious reasons I can’t guarantee that everything posted there — or here, for that matter! — under the name ‘qidniz’ was, is or will be by me.

  19. Soso — on 4th May, 2009 at 3:42 pm  

    Pakistan’s Christian community has been attacked as well. Two people in Karachi were murdered and several churches burned by the Taliban last week. The fact, as well, that these attacks took place so far away from the usual Taliban strongholds tells you how bad it’s gotten.

    Pakistan is a hellhole for minorities of any kind. The place is just falling apart, and there is an urgent need to confiscate and render secure all of the country’s WMDs

  20. tyfni — on 5th May, 2009 at 2:30 am  

    If Western states forced muslims to pay a special tax, the screams of ‘islamophobia!’ would be audible for miles.

  21. Meer — on 5th May, 2009 at 10:10 pm  

    Reviving Pakistan’s Pluralist Traditions to Fight Extremism

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/AsiaandthePacific/bg2268.cfm

  22. qidniz — on 5th May, 2009 at 10:38 pm  

    “Pluralist tradition in Pakistan? You betcha!! Why, look: we have Muslims, and Muslims, and Muslims, and Muslims…”

  23. qidniz — on 8th May, 2009 at 9:49 am  

    ^^^ What kind of BS is that. Since when have we been ethnically cleansing religious minorities in Pakistan for the last 60 years?

    Congratulations, Pakistan has made it to another watch list, the “Countries of Particular Concern” of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, as reported by Asia News.

    It must be that vibrant, um, what was it again, oh yes, “pluralist tradition”…

  24. qidniz — on 8th May, 2009 at 3:34 pm  

    Pictures at Yahoo of Sikh refugees from Swat and Buner. Now Sripanja Sahib in Hasan Abdal looks like another target, coming up.

  25. blah — on 8th May, 2009 at 4:15 pm  

    qidniz

    “Congratulations, Pakistan has made it to another watch list, the “Countries of Particular Concern” of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, as reported by Asia News.”

    Asia News being a right wing Catholic rag and “the US Commission on International Religious Freedom” seemly being a front for Israel supporters since they have a section on anti-semitism but zero on Islamophobia (instead they have something on Muslim countries constitutions) and totally ignore extremisst acts by extreme Jews in Israel against Muslims and Christians and even other Jews.

    And in a country where a presidential candidate had to spend a good deal of time denying he was a Muslim (as if it were a crime) and the fact he had Muslim family members was a if not the major point of attack of his opponents- them lecturing others is pretty funny.

    “It must be that vibrant, um, what was it again, oh yes, “pluralist tradition”…”

    says the man who wrote

    “If the problem is Islam, then the solution is to get rid of it.”

    http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/03/31/swat-valley-exports/

    and whose vehement hatred of Islam and Muslims is all over that sewer-site

  26. qidniz — on 9th May, 2009 at 8:39 am  

    Ahmed Rashid’s analysis is pretty grim. (And note the “ongoing insurgency in Balochistan”. That’s getting zero coverage, as far as I can tell.)

  27. platinum786 — on 11th May, 2009 at 8:48 am  

    The government of Pakistan has provided financial help to the sikh families currently made refugees due to the ongoing conflict;

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22076

  28. douglas clark — on 11th May, 2009 at 10:15 am  

    Excellent post at 27.

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