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  • Civil war among anti-jihadists

    by Sunny
    29th April, 2009 at 8:34 am    

    There is an absolutely fascinating article in the Washington Independent about how the anti-jihadists in America are fighting a massive civil war.

    To summarise, one one side stands Charles Johnson of LittleGreenFootballs, and on the other side stands Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch and a whole bunch of blogs that include Atlas Shrugs, Gates of Vienna, Brussels Journal and Gateway Pundit. Now this may come as a surprise to many who follow the lunatic anti-jihadis in the United States, but Johnson is actually attacking Robert Spencer for being a racist idiot who will join with anyone, including racist nutjobs, to further his agenda. It doesn’t get any mind-bending than this but for the first time I actually have some respect for Charles Johnson.

    I’ve written an article about this for CIF which should be published soon. But what’s doubly fascinating about all this is that LGF is a really massive website and basically it’s targetting the core of the lunatic anti-jihadis in the United States - who mostly coalesce around Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch - so the repercussions will be huge.

    In fact there are so many things to say about all this that I don’t even know where to start. In many ways it feels like the car crash, which was happening in slow motion since the debacle of Iraq, is now accelerating. The neocons and their supporters are heading straight for the wall - a point underscored by the fact that now only 21% of Americans identify as Republican and Obama is on the verge of a 60 seat majority in the Senate. But rather than watch this explode while eating popcorn - I have this strange yearning to add fuel to the fire. I want the neocons and their supporters, in the US and the UK, to be burnt badly. To explode gloriously. Watch this space.

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    1. dave bones — on 29th April, 2009 at 9:12 am  

      That is fascinating. AhhhhhJihaaaadiwatch!!! as I used to call it is a very popular site. One of my Repub pals met Pam Geller at that CPAC thing. She is a funny looking chick. They do all seem to be in the wilderness at the mo. They are calling for a resurgent religious right. I think they are barking up the wrong tree voter wise. If I was a Republican I would probably promote some of these enthusiastic Black conservatives who are popping up like that Alfonso guy.

      I can’t be too enthusiastic about any right wing implosions just yet. The Tories wandered off soul searching when Blair got in. Portillo might have actually learnt something.

      Is Obama the US’s Blair figure?

      Time will tell. America also suffers from the tweedle dee/tweedle dum effect we have over here so I can’t see anything other than a reinvention of conservatism making its slow way back dependent usually on circumstances beyond a presidents control. I am not sure I want to see them burnt. I’d like to see all of us learn and communicate better. I think it is good to recognise the ideals behind what people say even if we disagree.

    2. dave bones — on 29th April, 2009 at 9:32 am  

      Looking through all the links this is all just blogwars states style, but I would imagine blogwars in the States has a bit more impact than blogwars UK.

    3. Tom Griffin — on 29th April, 2009 at 1:23 pm  

      One interesting manifestation of this American Neocon/European far-right alliance is the International Free Press Society:

      As it happens, they gave an award to our own Melanie Phillips just this week:

    4. Bartholomew — on 30th April, 2009 at 7:34 am  

      Weirdly, Johnson cited me in an attack on Geller, over Geller’s support for the absurd “Lionheart”. See here:

    5. susie — on 30th April, 2009 at 9:05 am  

      I wouldn’t rush to pat Charles Johnson on the back to soon. A quick perusal of the Little Green Footballs site shows it is as vilely anti-Palestinian as ever.

    6. kELvi — on 1st May, 2009 at 1:12 am  

      What’s not to like about an avid biker, and steward of the environment, a relentless critic of crony capitalism, creationists, religious nutjobs of every stripe? If you like Hitchens you will need no reason to like Johnson. Let’s say anti-jihadists come in every stripe. Now Sunny and CJ biking together and debating the merits of shunning meat - that would be interesting!

    7. Left Outside — on 2nd May, 2009 at 10:51 pm  

      The right in this country are only held together by a loathing of Brown and all things Labour. As soon as Cameron wins, as is looking inevitable, all hell is going to break loose here too.

      There is less wingnut-style lunacy in Britain, but there’s definatley enough bile to make things really interesting.

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