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  • Will the BBC bow down to anti-Muslim bigotry?


    by Sunny
    17th April, 2009 at 3:42 pm    

    This article was published this morning on Comment is Free

    A couple of weeks ago, the Sunday Telegraph ran a front-page story alleging that the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, was worried the appointment of a Muslim as head of religion at the BBC would “sideline” the “Christian voice”. Coincidentally, the Sunday Times ran a remarkably similar story the same day, as did the Daily Mail the following day.

    It smacked of a classic media hit-job and I decided to dig deeper. Rowan Williams had met the BBC director-general at a lunch that was nothing out of the ordinary. According to a source at his office, there was no official agenda or any leaks about what was discussed. Since his office is very non-confrontational about such matters, and because nothing is ever denied or confirmed, it presents a perfect opportunity for others to use for their own agenda.

    According to many, the Churches’ Media Council kicked off the story. The lobby was on the attack.

    I don’t have a problem with Christian groups demanding a fair share of religious coverage in the media – it’s technically a Christian country, after all. But it is undeniably xenophobic to imply strongly, as each of the three newspaper reports did, that non-Christians shouldn’t be let anywhere near Christian programming because they are not up to the job.

    This seems to be a regular feature of rightwing newspapers: they continually complain about identity politics and say people should be rewarded on a meritocratic basis. Agreed. But it seems that only applies when they’re bashing minorities. Otherwise it’s fine to play identity politics to support the establishment because, well, they have powerful friends.

    “For many years I worked in and headed up multicultural programmes and hired the best people to do the job – it is like me saying that you have to be black or Asian to produce programmes about black or Asian subject matter, which is utter nonsense and frankly an outdated argument and line of reasoning,” said Tommy Nagra when I interviewed him.

    Tommy now produces Songs of Praise for the BBC and says he had not applied for the vacant position even though it is heavily implied in the newspaper reports. It’s also become common knowledge in his department that he has since received a torrent of abuse from viewers for simply being a Sikh producing Songs of Praise.

    But the main target of the newspaper briefings was Aaqil Ahmed at Channel 4. Despite producing a range of well-received Christian programming including: Rowan Williams Meets…, Christianity: A History and Resurrection, with the Bishop of Durham; Ahmed came in the firing line merely for being Muslim. Apparently he will only end up promoting minority faiths at the BBC, even though this argument is never used when the shoe is on the other foot.

    More recently, other arms of the Christian lobby have swung into attack. Christian Concern for Our Nation, a homophobic group that was involved in a campaign with Tory MP Nadine Dorries to restrict abortion rights last year, issued a call to its readers stating:

    Your letter or email could make a few of the following points, in your own words:

    - I am concerned that a Muslim or a Sikh may soon be appointed as head of religious programming at the BBC.

    - Given that we are a Christian Nation, it is appropriate that the post of Commissioning Editor, Religion and Head of Religion and Ethics at the BBC should continue to be a Christian.

    - I strongly object to the appointment of a person who does not belong to the Christian faith, as this appointment is not representative of the beliefs of the majority of licence holders.

    See this video about them.

    All this encapsulates a problem. I expect CCFON to be xenophobic – after all, its representatives were happy to showcase their homophobia for a Channel 4 documentary. But the media campaign orchestrated by the Telegraph, Times and Daily Mail is really no different because they want to stop a Muslim getting a job they think should belong to a Christian. It’s just a matter of how you frame your complaint: and calling it a sop to “political correctness gone mad” allows them to hide their bigotry.

    It remains to be seen whether the BBC will capitulate. The selection is in a couple of weeks’ time.


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    1. pickles

      New blog post: Will the BBC bow down to anti-Muslim bigotry? http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4279


    2. Jobeda Ali

      religion and public service broadcasting - recipe for disaster - http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4279




    1. The Common Humanist — on 17th April, 2009 at 3:57 pm  

      So lets get this straight, for a job that hasn’t been advertised yet and that the two named persons haven’t applied, the Right will vilify the Beeb if they appoint a non-Christian and you will if they don’t….

      Heck.

    2. Sunny — on 17th April, 2009 at 4:06 pm  

      That smacks of whataboutery to me TCH - I’m concerned that three national newspapers have blatantly implied that a Muslim should not get the religion job because of his background. That smacks of open bigotry to me.

      If some Middle Eastern govt blocked a Christian from getting a high-profile job wouldn’t that be bigotry?

      It seems many on the right don’t like meritocracy, and still have a taste for religious identity politics.

    3. Lillian Barlett — on 17th April, 2009 at 4:13 pm  

      “it’s technically a Christian country, after all”, NO, not technically, we ARE a Christian country!. Cheeky Sod!

      Go to Pakistan if you want your religion to be dominant.

    4. The Common Humanist — on 17th April, 2009 at 4:13 pm  

      Easy Tiger! It does to me too.

      Am just observing people are girding themselves to march to the tops of their respective hills for a fight.

      It is disappointing that the Times is in on this as well.

      Now am all for a scrap with the WingNut Press but I do feel for the Beeb if this matter unfolds in such a manner - as always they run the risk of being shot by both sides.

    5. The Common Humanist — on 17th April, 2009 at 4:16 pm  

      Lillian, Lillian, Lillian,

      Calm yourself, you naughty Christianist Minx You!

      Are these not talented people who may or may not be applying for a job that may not be advertised as yet?

    6. Joe Otten — on 17th April, 2009 at 4:17 pm  

      “representative of the beliefs of the majority of license holders”. What a laugh. The vast majority vote with their remotes and don’t watch any of the religious output. You want to represent them? Close the department altogether.

      Failing that, represent the median position of license holders and make the bulk of the Religious output about agnosticism.

    7. Ravi Naik — on 17th April, 2009 at 4:33 pm  

      That smacks of whataboutery to me TCH - I’m concerned that three national newspapers have blatantly implied that a Muslim should not get the religion job because of his background. That smacks of open bigotry to me.

      You have a point about the three national papers. But TCH has a valid point - just look at the title of this post.

    8. Sid — on 17th April, 2009 at 4:40 pm  

      WTF?

    9. Shafiq — on 17th April, 2009 at 4:49 pm  

      Don’t you think Lillian and SE are made for each other?

      And please let’s not get into a wrangle about whether this country is a Christian nation - It is and it isn’t.

      As for the the BBC post, what does the Head of Religion do? From reading this, I’m assuming it’s Public Service Broadcasting where documentaries on various religions are produced as well as other stuff. If so, I don’t care who leads it as long as they do a good job, some of the shows they have are quite interesting.

      The one point I disagree with Sunny about, is that if a Christian does get picked, it probably won’t be because of bigotry, rather they were the better candidate.

    10. Ala — on 17th April, 2009 at 5:14 pm  

      You have to feel sorry for the papers. They’re a dying breed, and this is the last way they can make a few bucks.

    11. Roger — on 17th April, 2009 at 5:33 pm  

      Perhaps an atheist or agnostic should be offered the job when and if it becomes available; after all they could not be accused of favouritism.

    12. Katy Newton — on 17th April, 2009 at 5:42 pm  

      Go to Pakistan if you want your religion to be dominant.

      Sikho-vegetarianism? Whatever.

      Like Ravi, I agree with Sunny’s point but am slightly uncomfortable with the headline of the post. The point is that the Beeb should choose whoever is best for the job, irrespective of their religion or ethnicity, right? I’m uncomfortable with a position where they’re forced into tokenism to prove that they aren’t racist or anti-Christian - they shouldn’t feel pressured to hire a Christian or a non-Christian - but equally I really don’t see why the Head of Religion at the Beeb has to be a Christian, or for that matter a religious person of any sort. It’s a job that calls for programming expertise.

    13. Sunny — on 17th April, 2009 at 5:55 pm  

      The point is that the Beeb should choose whoever is best for the job, irrespective of their religion or ethnicity, right? I’m uncomfortable with a position where they’re forced into tokenism to prove that they aren’t racist or anti-Christian

      Oh, clearly. But if you read the newspaper reports - they aren’t remotely interested in meritocracy.

      Have deleted SE. I’m keeping lillian’s comment to illustrate the usual response to these articles.

    14. Leon — on 17th April, 2009 at 6:12 pm  

      And please let’s not get into a wrangle about whether this country is a Christian nation - It is and it isn’t.

      Indeed it is for those that are Christian and isn’t for those that aren’t. We only get trouble if either group(s) try to impose their view on the other.

      You have to feel sorry for the papers. They’re a dying breed, and this is the last way they can make a few bucks.

      Papers were producing this type of idiocy long before the internet etc…

    15. Imran Khan — on 17th April, 2009 at 6:19 pm  

      This merely highlights the problems with the growing and vocal right to whom few if any Muslims are good.

      Its a disgrace and it shouldn’t be tolerated.

      The right is bullying MPs and public bodies to submit to their agenda with little sign of this stopping.

      The simple fact is that the BBC is being bullied by the right on a number of fronts and wihout wishing to diverge from this topic it is a scandal that the BBC isn’t free to choose who it wants to appoint.

      Also Channel 4 hasn’t produced many favourable programmes for Muslims so this Muslim can hardly be accused of giving Muslims an easy ride during his tenure.

    16. Don — on 17th April, 2009 at 6:19 pm  

      I’m with Katy and Sunny on this. The papers in question were generating outrage at the mere prospect of a non-christian getting the job.

      I generally enjoy religious/historical-religious documentaries, whatever religion they are about. However, I wouldn’t care to see anybody with a religious agenda in that position, and whipping this up into an issue could encourage a drift in that direction.

      In short, religion irrelevant, secularism important.

      (Wrong title, though. This is about the christian establishment fighting for its turf.)

    17. Imran Khan — on 17th April, 2009 at 6:27 pm  

      Don - It isn’t about the Christian Establishment fighting for its turf - its about right wingers who are also Christian again demanding their agenda is followed.

    18. Imran Khan — on 17th April, 2009 at 7:50 pm  

      Here is a good article which outlines the approach of the right:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran-pasha/why-muslims-left-the-repu_b_188333.html

      The recent defeat of one of Obama’s nommiees is also another sign of how the right bullies for and against the appointments it disapproves of.

      Now its happening at the BBC.

    19. Delboy — on 17th April, 2009 at 9:29 pm  

      it’s technically a Christian country

      If the US is not a Christian country, then we bloody well aren’t - Church of England or not.

      Also, “Lillian Bartlett”, do us all a favour and fuck off to the Algarve or somewhere you never have to encounter Pakistanis again. If you had the guts to express such bigoted bollox in the streets, where real brown people could see you, instead of on the internet, then you can stay.

    20. marvin — on 18th April, 2009 at 9:08 am  

      How incredibly predictable the beeb would manage to find, from a tiny 2% of the population, a Muslim to head up the religious affairs post!

      Automatically any criticism about the beeb’s choice is bigotry - the man IS brown after all.

      Sometimes I think much of the management at the beeb thinks just like Sunny, and they have appointed a Muslim (what are the chances if taken at random?!!) out of spite to the Daily Mailers.

      Quelle surprise beeb!!!

    21. douglas clark — on 18th April, 2009 at 9:17 am  

      Boyo @ 21,

      ‘Tis the concept that is outdated. This is not, now, a Christian nation, despite the spin.

    22. marvin — on 18th April, 2009 at 9:17 am  

      Perhaps an atheist or agnostic should be offered the job when and if it becomes available; after all they could not be accused of favouritism.

      That would of course be the logical choice. But it’s not down to logic. Not amongst the liberal-left at any rate. If the Daily Mail doesn’t like it, then run it!

    23. Boyo — on 18th April, 2009 at 9:51 am  

      “‘Tis the concept that is outdated. This is not, now, a Christian nation, despite the spin.”

      I agree (that the concept is outdated). Technically Sunny was correct however. Practically, we are a “Western” nation, in so much as our society remains more or less consistent with the politic of the Western Roman Empire. The truth is our cultural roots are far older than Christ. In our compacency/ cleverness, we usually forget this, confuse our society as somehow modern and new and kind of “nothing”, when in fact it is very old and very certainly “something”.

    24. Ravi Naik — on 18th April, 2009 at 10:59 am  

      Hahahaha. Poor bloke. Its lonely when you are paranoid.

      Marvin, that’s not even the best part. Did you actually read the whole “About me” section?

    25. marvin — on 18th April, 2009 at 11:04 am  

      I have now Ravi — ROFL!!

    26. A Councillor Writes — on 18th April, 2009 at 11:19 am  

      Ooh, tin foil hat territory. Now remember, shiny side outwards.

    27. Sunny — on 18th April, 2009 at 1:14 pm  

      That idiot has been deleted.

      How incredibly predictable the beeb would manage to find, from a tiny 2% of the population, a Muslim to head up the religious affairs post!

      Well, I knew that was coming Marvin. Tell me, have you suddenly started believing in proportional representation along ethnic lines?

    28. blah — on 18th April, 2009 at 2:22 pm  

      marvin
      “How incredibly predictable the beeb would manage to find, from a tiny 2% of the population, a Muslim to head up the religious affairs post!”

      So you presumably are appalled by the fact that at least two of the recent heads of the entire BBC were Jewish, a minority who make up a tiny 0.5% of the population?

    29. chairwoman — on 18th April, 2009 at 2:36 pm  

      “So you presumably are appalled by the fact that at least two of the recent heads of the entire BBC were Jewish, a minority who make up a tiny 0.5% of the population?”

      Michael Grade and who else?

      Personally I don’t care who runs the religious department of the BBC as long as the next time they do a programme about Jews, they don’t show us all as the minority ultra orthodox black-hat/beard sheitl/long-sleeve wearers who are so unrepresentative of the majority.

    30. blah — on 18th April, 2009 at 4:37 pm  

      marvin
      “How incredibly predictable the beeb would manage to find, from a tiny 2% of the population, a Muslim to head up the religious affairs post!”

      An additional point marvin missed- Muslims make up 2% of the population but in terms of the RELIGIOUS population (and this post is head of religious affairs) it is a higher proportion since Muslims tend to be more religious than Christians in this country

      Indeed the official figures suggested there are more Muslims than Anglican worshippers

      http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/444572.cms

    31. imran khan — on 18th April, 2009 at 5:29 pm  

      Chairwoman - “Michael Grade and who else?

      Personally I don’t care who runs the religious department of the BBC as long as the next time they do a programme about Jews, they don’t show us all as the minority ultra orthodox black-hat/beard sheitl/long-sleeve wearers who are so unrepresentative of the majority.”

      I think they are counting Mark Thompson whose wife is Jewish.

      Incidently whilst there is clamour in the Jewish Community against Jeremey Bowen little mention is made of the fact that Thompson met with Ariel Sharon and didn’t meet with the Palestinian Authority showing the BBC bias and a question they won’t answer.

      I emailed and asked them years ago about this and they wouldn’t answer my question and there was no inquiry either.

      This is the same BBC boss who led the refusal to broadcast an appeal for Gaza.

      The BBC is biased but against the Palestinians and no-one complains about Thompson’s bias and his one sided meetings. No investigations either.

      As regards your point about the Orthodox - I have to say its is extremely unfair. Its fair enough to ask for more coverage of the reform and liberal.

      There have been some very good programmes on Judaism on the Satellite Channels.

      There are also more leading reforn and liberal rabbi’s who have major press coverage than orthodox rabbi’s. In fact apart from Sacks I can’t think of many others. So if anything there is a bias towards the reform community except in news programmes where the opposite is true.

      Mind you the same applies for the Muslim community where almost always either “Ed Hussein” or the Bakri crew get the coverage and not many others!

    32. marvin — on 18th April, 2009 at 10:53 pm  

      Well, I knew that was coming Marvin. Tell me, have you suddenly started believing in proportional representation along ethnic lines?

      Heh. You’ll be finishing my sentences next… Proportional representation along ethnic lines? Well, at an organisation like the BBC, they would have to replace a quite a few TV and radio presenters with white people if that were the case.

      The BBC probably should be more representative and less hyper-politically-correct. They fall over themselves to get brown voices on TV and radio.

      Some asians like Samir Shah find it embarrassing.

      Let’s give the man a chance. But it is all just so predictable. How edgy, how progressive! They have a brown Muslim in charge of religious affairs! Just makes me cringe. May be he’ll turn out to be fantastic in his position, and be able to take a critical view of religion including his own. We’ll see.

      It just reminds me of the newly anti-secular and anti-atheist voices emanating from the Guardian, and their bizarrely sycophantic blogging the Quran series. Will they be blogging the Bible next? Bollocks will they! Again, I just find it embarrassing. White liberals bending over backwards for anyone with brown skin! Can’t they just be normal and treat people a bit more equally and meritocratically?…

    33. Sunny — on 18th April, 2009 at 11:48 pm  

      White liberals bending over backwards for anyone with brown skin! Can’t they just be normal and treat people a bit more equally and meritocratically?…

      But this only betrays your inherent racism. If a brown man does well, then it’s because white liberals are bending over to support him. It’s nothing to do with the fact that the man in question has been doing religion at Channel 4 for nine years and has made programmes on Christianity that have received wide acclaim.

      You simply echo the Daily Mail line - a brown person doing well must only be because it’s political correctness gone mad not because he/she is any good.

    34. imran khan — on 19th April, 2009 at 8:29 am  

      Marvin - “They have a brown Muslim in charge of religious affairs! Just makes me cringe.”

      So the fact they have people of other faiths or no faith in charge in other areas doesn’t make you cringe but hell a Muslim in charge makes you cringe.

      Brilliant. It shows your position for what it is.

      You know what some of the best religious programmes on a faith are made by people of another faith.

      Wouldn’t you be more at home at HP?

    35. Lillian Barlett — on 19th April, 2009 at 1:23 pm  

      I am 62 years old. Was born in MY CHRISTIAN COUNTRY

    36. Lillian Barlett — on 19th April, 2009 at 1:26 pm  

      I am 62 years old. Was born in MY CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and have attended church all my life. Just because your people come along and bring your own way of life and religion with you, why the fuck should I have to live with it?

      I don’t want to know about your heathen religion! Take it back to the caves where it belongs!

    37. The Common Humanist — on 19th April, 2009 at 1:54 pm  

      I see the lithium prescription has run out.

    38. marvin — on 19th April, 2009 at 2:15 pm  

      Bollocks Sunny. Why is the BBC so over represented by brown people on TV and radio???

      Is it because they’re all inherently better than white people??? I mean Indians and people from the orient do do better academically than white kids at state schools. Hmm, you may be on to something, yeh?

      What’s your answer to Samir Shah, who actually works there?

      I am not criticising the man at all. Where have I criticised the man himself?

      I am just saying it’s absolutely typical that the BBC would pick a brown Muslim for the post. Sticks two fingers up at those Daily Heilers, eh, EH!

      He may well be the best man for the job. I’m sure it’s purely a coincidence that he’s brown (tick!) and Muslim (tick!).

      See, Sunny old chap, it’s the liberal-lefts; desire for “positive discrimination” that actually creates discrimination when there was not necessarily any present.

      IF he was white and Christian, would you be so shrill about supporting him for the job in the face of liberal-left sneering and kotowing to do the right-wing lobby? Bollocks would you. It shows your inherent racism.

      Will you ever admit Sunny the main reason you are called up is that places like the beeb see you as a voice for brown people? FYI I have no problem with that. You smear anyone you disagree with as racist. Par for the course eh Sunny?

      Why not though? I don’t see there’s much point in calling up a white person from Scunthorpe to comment on issues affecting people from South Asia.

      Your inherent hatred of the right and anyone who disagrees with you is showing through.

    39. Sunny — on 19th April, 2009 at 7:34 pm  

      Well marvin - I had a feeling you’d say that.

      Let me respond to each point. The BBC does NOT over-represent minorities, and I’d love you to show me figures that it does. It currently has a target for 12% of minorities, but only because a large proportion of the ethnic minorities it employs work in cleaning, catering, IT and accountancy than actually making programmes.
      It is also a corp based mostly in London - which has a 40% minority population. As most of the people who apply for jobs are based in London, it means a higher-than-national percentage of applicants are from an ethnic minority. That shouldnt be an issue - unless an apparently meritocracy beliving person doesn’t think Asians can’t make programmes for white people.

      Moreover - one of the ways that many channel heads try and pretend they have lots of ethnic minorities working for them is by having a high percentage of them presenting the news. Which means people think there are far too many ethnic minorities in television, when in fact the actual newsrooms where programmes are produced are very white.

      If you can show me actual evidence that the percentage of ethnic minorities actually making television / radio programmes is higher than the national average then I’ll believe you.

      Yeah it is a coincidence that the guy is brown and Muslim isn’t it? And isn’t it a coincidence that when a brown person does get this far, we have people like you coming along and winking and saying this person probably only got that far because of diversity policies - rather than on merit. You seem to believe that brown people are just generally incapable of being as good at doing a job.

      If he was white and christian - then there wouldn’t be an issue because that not only covers the vast majority of people - but there would never be a controversy raised by the likes of the Daily Mail and Telegraph. Those newspapers only get worried when the Muzzzlims start taking jobs. Until then, people like you and the Daily Telegraph are happy to pay lip service to meritocracy.

    40. Ravi Naik — on 19th April, 2009 at 9:15 pm  

      I am 62 years old. Was born in MY CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and have attended church all my life. Just because your people come along and bring your own way of life and religion with you, why the fuck should I have to live with it?

      If you want to be picky, consider this: Christianity is a foreign religion that originated in the Middle East, and replaced the polytheist religions of the Anglo-Saxons. So, there is an old tradition of foreign religions coming to these shores.

      The only Christian Nation in Europe is the Vatican. All others are secular nations, where agnostic, atheists, pagans, Jews, Hindus, Muslims among others, live side by side. The fact that they do not believe in your religion, in no way affect your religious freedom.

      So to answer your question, you just deal with it - and if you can’t, that’s your fucking problem.

    41. imran khan — on 19th April, 2009 at 9:55 pm  

      “I am 62 years old. Was born in MY CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and have attended church all my life. Just because your people come along and bring your own way of life and religion with you, why the fuck should I have to live with it?”

      Interestingly it was those people who came along with their own way of life and religion with them who helped to protect this country from your friendly Christian Cousins across the channel.

      It was those people you chose to bring in to do your menial jobs.

      It was those people from the days of Empire who helped to build up this country.

      It was those people who helped make this country what it is.

      Also if you didn’t want to *uckin deal with it then why build such a big empire?

      If it wasn’t for us people with our own way of life and religion you wouldn’t have many of the things you now take for *uckin granted such as the NHS where many people were brought in and continue to be so.

      Also I don’t recall Jesus visiting Europe so someone brought the religion from the East for you otherwise you’d still be dancing at Stonehenge on a summer’s night!

      Last time I read the last supper wasn’t in London or Birmingham or Manchester or Liverpool it was way way way east in Jerusalem ;-)

      None of the disciples came this way in fact I think only Barnabus went to Cyprus and some went to Turkey within Europe. Even Paul received his visions on the road to Damascus. So yours is also an eastern religion whether you care to admit it or not.

    42. chairwoman — on 20th April, 2009 at 9:18 am  

      “I am 62 years old. Was born in MY CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and have attended church all my life. Just because your people come along and bring your own way of life and religion with you, why the fuck should I have to live with it?”

      Well I am 63 years old, Jewish, and was born in MY OSTENSIBLY CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.

      Firstly, I would like to remind you that in Victorian times, a Jew born in this country was called ‘An Englishman of the Hebrew persuasion’.

      Secondly, the person whose teachings you follow and whom you worship in your regular attendances at church was a Jew known as Jesus of Nazareth, not, you will note, Jesus of Basingstoke, and the originally eastern religion you follow is a watered down version of mine, basically Judaism with all the difficult bits taken out.

      Thirdly, I believe that the object of your worship should be Odin who was far bigger on hatred than Jesus, and more local.

      And, finally, should Jesus return to earth, I doubt that he’d want to have dinner at your house as I doubt that you keep Kosher.

    43. munir — on 20th April, 2009 at 9:51 am  

      Lilian Bartlett
      “I am 62 years old. Was born in MY CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and have attended church all my life. Just because your people come along and bring your own way of life and religion with you, why the fuck should I have to live with it? ”

      Actually think youll find non-Christians came to this country as a result of British Christians coming to theirs.

      “I don’t want to know about your heathen religion! Take it back to the caves where it belongs!”

      So who is forcing it on you ?. You came to this site no one invited you. And if you are talking about Islam it is anything but “heathen” - its the purest and strictest monotheism (with none of the trinity gobblydegok)

    44. munir — on 20th April, 2009 at 9:55 am  

      chairwoman
      “And, finally, should Jesus return to earth, I doubt that he’d want to have dinner at your house as I doubt that you keep Kosher.”

      hehe and he, peace be upon him, would probably go to the nearest synangogue or mosque and shun the idolatrous worship of him in the churches (which he never preached)

    45. munir — on 20th April, 2009 at 10:03 am  

      “Bollocks Sunny. Why is the BBC so over represented by brown people on TV and radio???

      Is it because they’re all inherently better than white people??? I mean Indians and people from the orient do do better academically than white kids at state schools. Hmm, you may be on to something, yeh?”

      One could equally say the same for Jewish people who are over represented. Wonder if youd react the same way if someone brought that up as you have with Asians?

      “Will you ever admit Sunny the main reason you are called up is that places like the beeb see you as a voice for brown people? FYI I have no problem with that. You smear anyone you disagree with as racist. Par for the course eh Sunny?”

      Like supporters of Israel smear any critic as anti-semitic you mean?

    46. Jai — on 20th April, 2009 at 12:10 pm  

      Lillian Barlett,

      I am 62 years old. Was born in MY CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and have attended church all my life. Just because your people come along and bring your own way of life and religion with you, why the fuck should I have to live with it?

      Nice to see that Jesus Christ’s message and example seems to have sunk in so well. Your use of the word “fuck” is an impressive example of your so-called churchgoing Christian piety too.

      It’s a tragedy that you seem to have wasted the past 62 years of your life in this way. I hope you still have enough years left on earth to repent and reassess your ideas, particularly in relation to people from other countries and other relgious backgrounds, otherwise in the long-run, “Pakistani Muslims in England” will be the last thing you’ll have to worry about (according to the teachings of your own religion).

      Go to Pakistan if you want your religion to be dominant.

      Sunny’s ancestry lies in India and in terms of his religious background he’s a Sikh, not a Muslim. Interesting to see how your mind works, though. You appear to be guilty of making highly misinformed assumptions along with engaging in some stereotyping.

      You may wish to do some thinking about whether Jesus himself would behave in exactly the same way as you if he was in the same position — and, if this would not be the case, then consider what makes you think you have the right to treat other people like this in Jesus’s name if the great man himself would have a completely different attitude and, indeed, would forcefully condemn your behaviour.

    47. Amrit — on 20th April, 2009 at 1:14 pm  

      @ TCH:

      I still *heart* you…

      I think ‘Lillian Barlett’ and ‘Lauren Baker’ (spouting similar cockspew on a previous thread, I forget which) may be the same person.

      Just because your people come along and bring your own way of life and religion with you, why the fuck should I have to live with it?

      Why, indeed! Stop visiting so many mosques/gurdwaras/temples/synagogues/blogs full of people with more brain cells than you then, you bloody weirdo/possible BNP plant.

      I was going to congratulate you on at least being able to spell in ‘your’ language, then realised you couldn’t even manage your frothing bile in one post… Oh dear.

      Just because your ‘people’ come along and bring your own ill-informed bigotry and weird stalkerish tendencies with you, why the fuck should we have to live with it?

    48. Shamit — on 20th April, 2009 at 1:23 pm  

      Amrit — yeah you are right. I think it was about the Black Eastenders episode.

      Just because your ‘people’ come along and bring your own ill-informed bigotry and weird stalkerish tendencies with you, why the fuck should we have to live with it?
      - That is brilliant

    49. Mike — on 21st April, 2009 at 9:28 am  

      Last time I read the last supper wasn’t in London or Birmingham or Manchester or Liverpool it was way way way east in Jerusalem

      Funnily enough i cannot remember anyone saying that London, Manchester,Leeds, or any other city in Great Britain was of importance to the islamic faith and its history.

    50. Amrit — on 21st April, 2009 at 12:38 pm  

      Shamit - thanks.

      Hold on, got another troll itch to scratch:

      Funnily enough i cannot remember anyone saying that London, Manchester,Leeds, or any other city in Great Britain was of importance to the islamic faith and its history.

      No, neither can I, really.

      Then again, Africa was hardly of importance to most white Christians, yet a tiny minority felt it was their duty to zealously support the kidnapping of its citizens in the name of slavery.

      The lesson is: if you must spew meaningless nonsense, at least have the guts to do so openly.

    51. Mike — on 21st April, 2009 at 1:25 pm  

      The lesson is: if you must spew meaningless nonsense, at least have the guts to do so openly.

      Ah right so because you made a cute little statement about the last supper and i replied in turn, you class it as meaningless?

      Pretty ironic really, every single person who practices religion can never be wrong in anything they say or do. LMFAO

    52. Imran Khan — on 21st April, 2009 at 7:45 pm  

      “Funnily enough i cannot remember anyone saying that London, Manchester,Leeds, or any other city in Great Britain was of importance to the islamic faith and its history.”

      Actually I said this and if you followed the thread it was in reply to the claim of the lady who said that this was a Christian Country and didn’t want imported faiths.

      The reply was to remind her that her own faith is imported as the faith came from the East and not from local cities. Sheesh!

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