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Weekend open thread

Posted By Sunny On 8th April, 2006 @ 6:47 pm In Uncategorized | Comments Disabled

Say whatever you want, link whatever articles you want… or just waste some time. This is that kind of thread.


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#1 Comment By Sunny On 8th April, 2006 @ 6:49 pm

I’m going to start by linking an interview of Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks by Ziauddin Sardar in the New Statesman:
[1] http://www.newstatesman.com/200604100017

As there is a sort of a reprieve on religion threads *mutters under breath* it is not made into a thread of its own.

#2 Comment By sonia On 8th April, 2006 @ 7:30 pm

hey cool idea - an open thread. let’s us all rant on stuff we want to without someone nudging us on our irrelevance. actually yesterday i’d been wanting to highlight the GMTV People’s Millions feature, so that people could vote on how Lottery money is spent, but i think the lines are closed now. ah well! should be interesting to see how that went.

#3 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 7:42 pm

I just want to know how I can get a ticket for the Villareal-Arsenal away game, which falls on my 40th birthday.
I can’t manage anything high brow right now. I’m too excited.
Chillin with the kids and watching Ice Age II is about the right level for me at the mo.
Or maybe a bit of harmless fun at the expense of foreign branding. Just check out the links on the left hand side on this [2] website!
Oooh. And wish me luck for my half-marathon tomorrow. Which reminds me — better put that fag out.

#4 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 7:44 pm

This is [3] my particular favourite.

#5 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 7:52 pm

Say whatever you want,

yididbadibabab

blah di blah di balh i ba

#6 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 7:53 pm

I just want to know how I can get a ticket for the Villareal-Arsenal away game, which falls on my 40th birthday.

:o Gunner!!! Long live Chelseaski

#7 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 7:54 pm

lets make this into footy thread.

#8 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 7:55 pm

The ‘C’ word is not allowed in my house.

#9 Comment By Sunny On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:09 pm

Clearly this is not going to be a highbrow discussion….

Apart from partying, I can’t think of anything I do these days that doesn’t involve some sort of mental exhertion. Apart from listening to the ipod and watching desperate hosewives :d

sonia - how do you think the money should be spent?

el cid - good luck on the marathon! have u done any practice running today?

#10 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:25 pm

half-marathon, and nope. just stuffed myself to a huge bowl of tortellini al pesto. carbo-fuelling i believe is the technical term.

#11 Comment By leon On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:30 pm

*reads thread with amusment*

#12 Comment By Sunny On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:33 pm

hey leon! where you been hiding mate??

El cid - i wish i had one of those icons here with a frowning face and a finger that waves from side to side :)

#13 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:33 pm

Oh dear, this is too much!!! I’d forgotten how funny some of these were.
More chortle fodder: [4] Exhibit A and [5] Exhibit B
I’m obv 40 going on 13.
Which reminds me, where’s the Colonel these days?

#14 Comment By Jay Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:40 pm

I just want to say that I can’t wait for the World Cup to begin and if England don’t win it I don’t want Brazil to win as I usually do as my second team. So I want a second team to support after England if they wont win. So I suppose it better be Nigeria. But then it will probably be Brazil. But I want a Latino team win it apart from Brazil and Argentina for a change - someone like Mexico - I dont want a European team to win, unless it is Holland, who I always love because of the stylishness of their football. So if England dont win, it has to be Holland (or maybe) Brazil.

Oh the excitement of World Cups!!!!!!!!!!!

#15 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:44 pm

That’s easy for me:
Enger-laaaand Or Espana.
Sometimes I wish I was half Brazilian, half-Italian or half-German, half Argy.
Instead I’m lumbered with the two great underachievers.
While England last one something in 66, Spain won the Euros in 1964 — pathetic. Always the same anti-climax.
Still, my head actually says England this time.

#16 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:46 pm

oops, that’s a BAAAD typo

#17 Comment By Jay Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:50 pm

Oh God El Cid don’t say that - do you really believe England will do it this time??

#18 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:53 pm

Yes I do. Obv our weak link is Eriksson, who is not a great tactician or motivator under pressure.
But a lot depends on Owen. His injury is a worry because we have no real cover in the striker department.
We can’t just rely on Owen.
I fancy an England-Argy final.
Underestimate Argentina at your peril.

#19 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:54 pm

Before you say Rooney — yes, he’s our only truly world class player but he isn’t an out and out striker. We lack depth up front.

#20 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 8:58 pm

But there’s a lot still to play for before we get to the WC, not least the CL. C’mon you rip-roaring Gunners!
(Memo to self: Keep calm, keep calm. Amuse yourself with some more rude food.)

#21 Comment By Jay Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:05 pm

Steven Gerrard to score the winner in the 83rd minute of the final against Argentina!!!!!!!!!

2-1 England!!!!

#22 Comment By Jay Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:06 pm

I reckon Arsenal are going to do it. In a boring 1-0 final.

#23 Comment By Vladimir On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:11 pm

I agree with El Cid, about the England football team. I also think therer is always to much hype, I do not think England have a chance. For England to win the WC, they’ll need five players on their best ever form, Beckham, Ferdinand Gerrard, Lampard and Ronney and even then it might still be difficult for them to win the WC.

#24 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:11 pm

That’ll do for me. But one game at a time. There’s a massive hurdle ahead and his name is Riquelme.

#25 Comment By Jay Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:13 pm

his name is Riquelme but you have one with the name of Fabregas, El Ci!!

#26 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:20 pm

lest not forget Kolo Toure, my favourite player
fingers-crossed and all that.

#27 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:24 pm

El Cid,

You’ve lost all the respect i had for you. We’ve pwned your arses at Premiership second time in a row.

#28 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:27 pm

do you really believe England will do it this time??

I dont….

#29 Comment By Justforfun On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:30 pm

Sorry to add to the chat - but I always like to put a face to people.

Go to this site and select a portrait that you think fits you closest in reality and then pick a portrait that you wish to be in the eyes of others.

Here is the complete list to choose from
[6] http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/portraits&page=all

I’ll start off -

[7] http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/image/21370512
Not realy like me but he is smiling ;-)

I have my hair clipped short now because my kids have lice !! and its just easier - but I was once like this at college ! [8] http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/image/27939003

Here is the complete list to choose from
[9] http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/portraits&page=all

Justforfun

#30 Comment By Sunny On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:31 pm

Ha ha! justforfun…

#31 Comment By raz On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:32 pm

Seeing as we’re on a sports theme:

Navjot Sidhu vs Geoff Boycott

[10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0TnWnJLoHE&search=sidhu

#32 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:37 pm

WARNING: DO NOT WATCH THE ABOVE VIDEO IF YOU CARE FOR YOUR BRAIN CELLS.

#33 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:41 pm

try a fews of these instead:

[11] http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Great+Indian+Laughter+Challenge&search_type=search_videos&search=Search

The show is simply gr8 dunno why they dont show it on Indian channels in UK.

#34 Comment By Vladimir On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:42 pm

That presenter is a bit weird all that blinking.

Some more sidhuisms here: [12] http://www.setindia.com/max/sidhuisms/galore.htm

#35 Comment By raz On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:43 pm

Some more immortal words of wisdom from the great man:

[13] http://stat.wharton.upenn.edu/~kghia/oneliners.html

#36 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:44 pm

Some more immortal words of wisdom from the great man.

Sindhu a great man? C’mon raz r u a Pathan?

#37 Comment By El Cid On 8th April, 2006 @ 9:56 pm

You’ve lost all the respect i had for you. We’ve pwned your arses at Premiership second time in a row.

You can’t buy respect Vikki Viks — and less so with Russian mafia money. I have even heard Scousers wavering over who they dislike more — Man U or …..
I also don’t think that your average ….. fan is your cup of tea. They are a notoriously uncouth and racist bunch. Anyway, being an athlete n all, I shall now retire.

#38 Comment By Jai On 8th April, 2006 @ 10:18 pm

Since this is a random thread…..

Who saw “Hustle” last week — the one about conning that Bollywood fan ? Great fun, even if the final song & dance sequence was a little corny. Watching the characters boogeying around in Asian clothes raised a smile (even Robert Vaughn, or “Dev Anand” as my father calls him, got into the spirit of things with his designer kurta etc). And Asian clothes seem to really suit Jaime Murray, especially that green salwaar-kameez she wore at the beginning. It even had a dupatta ;)

Indian theme on TV number 2: This week’s “House”. More amusing stuff involving his statements in Hindi, especially when he kept saying “Teri Ma Ki” (an in-joke that only the Asian viewers would get, I bet).

#39 Comment By StrangelyPsychedelique/Kesara On 8th April, 2006 @ 10:27 pm

[14] http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,1749555,00.html

BNP in turmoil as members row about ‘ethnic’ candidate

Selection of Sharif Gawad provokes uproar among ‘whites-only’ hardcore

The British National party was riven last night over its decision to select the grandson of an asylum seeker to fight a seat in next month’s local elections.

Sharif Abdel Gawad, whom the BNP describes as a “totally assimilated Greek-Armenian”, was chosen to stand in a Bradford ward as part of the party’s biggest ever electoral push.

The decision has provoked a backlash among BNP hardliners who described Mr Gawad as an “ethnic” who should be barred from the party on race grounds.

#40 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 10:33 pm

Lool Scousers those freakin losers they wont even have Won Champions League hadnt it been for a buffoon of a refree. I was there at that match. Man had a blast exchanging pighty insults with those cheating scousey pussies. That day is etched in my memory. They were singing “You’ll never walk alone” and we were shouting “You aint famous anymore”. Then the scoucies started braying “Who the heck are you…” then we roared “We? We are the champions”. Its for moments like these that
you go to a footy match.

As for racism, i daresay its frequency more or less same for all clubs. And as for our behaivour, you speak as if Gunners dont get drunk and choke the escalators on the tube the day Arsenal play. You guys are just jealous.

#41 Comment By Bikhair On 8th April, 2006 @ 10:50 pm

I dont want to bring down the gayness of all this football talk but I would like for you guys to research the life expectancy for those living in sub-saharan Africa. When you do, be thankful for what you have and try to give a little.

#42 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 8th April, 2006 @ 11:05 pm

When you do, be thankful for what you have and try to give a little.

Naah… i’m your self-centric, hedonistic and stingy Asian teen,

#43 Comment By Bikhair On 8th April, 2006 @ 11:37 pm

Vikrant,

“Naah… i’m your self-centric, hedonistic and stingy Asian teen”

Well, lets hope there isnt any ugly to go with that stupid.

#44 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:16 am

Ohhh…. chica just say it, you are ineterested in knowing how i look. But mindya i make it a point never to date Wahabis.

#45 Comment By Rezwan On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:24 am

Playboy Indonesia launched.

Guess what the cover may look like before clicking the link.

#46 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:38 am

Are you the same Rezwan from Jihadwatch?

#47 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:39 am

muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I occupy 70% space on Latest comments. Now only if they gave a prize for it.

#48 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:40 am

Oh shit i’m addicted to PP. HEEEELLLLLLLPPPPPPP

#49 Comment By douglas On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:51 am

I think ‘Bend it like Beckham’ was pretty aspirational and a good thing.
I just know there will be posts about naffness, but if you look beyond that it was damned good. Was it not?

Anyway, I thought the asian was by far the most attractive person.

What say you?

#50 Comment By Pocahontas On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:51 am

Chelsea ROCKS!!!

Thank you all.

#51 Comment By douglas On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:55 am

I think ‘Bend it like Beckham’ was pretty aspirational and a good thing.
I just know there will be posts about naffness, but if you look beyond that it was damned good. Was it not?

Anyway, I thought the asian was by far the most attractive person.

What say you? On dress down weekend.

#52 Comment By leon On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:56 am

“hey leon! where you been hiding mate??”

Yo yo yo! I’ve been snowed under a fuck off sized work load, aint had much online time…:(

#53 Comment By matt On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:58 am

Hi.

I’m a long(ish) time reader, first time commenter (commentator… comment-maker…?).

Great site.

Just thought I’d mention it.

#54 Comment By Jay Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 1:02 am

Hey Matt good to see you mate!

#55 Comment By matt On 9th April, 2006 @ 1:06 am

Thanks.

#56 Comment By Jay Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 1:27 am

We’re rich!! Woohoo!!

++++++++++
THE wealth of Britain’s richest 300 Asians has jumped by more than 40% in a year, writes Abul Taher.
The research, compiled by Philip Beresford, author of The Sunday Times Rich List, finds their total wealth has gone from £24.9 billion to £35.5 billion, an increase of 42%, boosted by strong stock markets and the community’s links with the booming Asian economies.

The list, published next week by Sunrise Radio, also shows that the number of billionaire entries has doubled to four.

Those with 10-figure fortunes include Anil Agarwal, 53, a former scrap metal merchant. Agarwal, who lives in a £20m house in Mayfair, central London, is the fourth richest Asian and heads the mining company Vedanta Resources.

+++++++

[15] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2125385,00.html

#57 Comment By Jay Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 1:29 am

Man, in that list of the richest Asians in Britain is a 34 year old British Indian dude worth £1.7 BILLION

Damn.

#58 Comment By jamal On 9th April, 2006 @ 1:30 am

This is a good article I found today.

If anyone read the recent transcript of Wafa Sultans interview, this article refutes the majority of her speech, point for point.

Wafa Sultan’s Lies Refuted

#59 Comment By leon On 9th April, 2006 @ 1:54 am

Indeed welcome Matt hope to see you comment on here often as you have an impressive profile:

“Frequent contributor at OpenDemocracy. Member of Amnesty International. Humanist. English Graduate. General all-round decent kinda guy.”

Should make for some interesting thoughts!:)

#60 Comment By Bikhair On 9th April, 2006 @ 3:51 am

Pickled Pathogens,

I’ve been thinking (No jokes please). Can we all agree that both the right and the left in West Europe and North America are some very evil and disingenuous people? I mean think about it. One side wants civil war in Iraq (liberals) the other side wants civil war it Europe (conservatives). Do any of them care that peoples lives, I mean real lives, of men, women and children are at stake? It appears to me that these people only want their political views to triumph regardless of if it leaves behind a trail of innocent bodies.

#61 Comment By Bikhair On 9th April, 2006 @ 3:54 am

Douglas,

“I think ‘Bend it like Beckham’ was pretty aspirational and a good thing.
I just know there will be posts about naffness, but if you look beyond that it was damned good. Was it not?”

I hated that movie especially after I heard that the British Indian community had a collective fit when that Asian chick went accross the pond and hooked up with that Nig… I mean.. black guy.

Why is it so cool to break with tradition and get seduced by a white boy anyway? Do I hear inferiority complex?

#62 Comment By Sunny On 9th April, 2006 @ 4:14 am

douglas - Parminder nagra is indeed very hot. More so in real life.

Hey Matt, good to have you on here mate! I’m sure I met you once at a BBC News anniversary party…

Kesara - I saw that… but to be honest that story is about two weeks old. I monitor the Stormfront website quite regularly.. and I’ve seen the hilarious arguments going on there about this guy.

#63 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 10:23 am

jamal,

Wafa Sultan is a courgaeous woman to day the things she did being a Saudi Arabian woman. May b be Bikki could take a cue.

#64 Comment By Sid D H Arthur On 9th April, 2006 @ 12:59 pm

I don’t know whether [16] this is stupid or just stupidly over-indulgent.

#65 Comment By matt On 9th April, 2006 @ 1:23 pm

Leon

Should make for some interesting thoughts!:)

Ha. Don’t let the self-aggrandisement fool you. I generally specialise in ill thought-out, uninformed and poorly written comments on subjects I really know nothing about.

So, interesting… perhaps. :)

Sunny,

I don’t think I’ve ever been to such a thing, but thanks for the welcome nonetheless.

#66 Comment By Jay Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:01 pm

I generally specialise in ill thought-out, uninformed and poorly written comments on subjects I really know nothing about.

You’ll feel right at home here then matt ;-)

#67 Comment By Jai On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:08 pm

Lol at comment #66 :)

Nobody here saw those episodes of “Hustle” or “House” ?

The Man From Uncle in a natty cream kurta with a red traditional-style waistcoat ?

Hugh Laurie smirkingly subjecting unsuspecting targets to verbal abuse in Hindi ?

#68 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:10 pm

Nobody here saw those episodes of “Hustle” or “House” ?

What channels ae they on…. i only watch “Simpsons” and “South Park”

#69 Comment By Jai On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:12 pm

Hustle is on BBC1 on Friday nights.
House is on Channel 5 on Thursday nights.

#70 Comment By raz On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:14 pm

Chelsea win 4-1 :)

#71 Comment By Jai On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:19 pm

Raz buddy I answered your question about Sikhism and Shia Islam on the “British Sikhs Conference” thread yesterday — just in case you missed it. Apologies for the delay in replying.

#72 Comment By raz On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:37 pm

Thanks Jai :) Very interesting about the sword, I’ve never heard that before.. As a matter of interest, i’ve often heard about Hindus in India, joining in with our Ashura processions during Muharram and mourning Imam Husseins sacrifice at Karbala.

#73 Comment By Jay Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:46 pm

raz

Those are the Husseini Brahmins of Punjab who the legend goes fought with Ali at Karbala. The Dutt family from Bollywood are of this clan. Sanjay Dutt and his father the late Sunil Dutt. They are Hindus who respect the shia faith.

#74 Comment By Jay Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:49 pm

I think that Hussaini Brahmins believe that Ali was an incarnation of Vishnu and they even did / do puja in the direction of Karbala.

#75 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 2:52 pm

i’ve often heard about Hindus in India, joining in with our Ashura processions during Muharram and mourning Imam Husseins sacrifice at Karbala.

AFAIK many Hindus in Western and Southern India do participate in Muharram processions mainly becoz, Hindus regularly visit Shia dragahs. Hinduism is afterall a “freestyle” philosophy.

P.S Yaay Chelsea won…. Hammed the West Hammers…. Cid did u see that… gunners wont get their filthy hands on the Premiership tis year atleast.

#76 Comment By El Cid On 9th April, 2006 @ 3:38 pm

Pick a fight with me, will you?
My hatred of Chelski runs much more deeply than you imagine. You are a lickle fool bwai Vik who has just jumped on a billionaire’s backwagon. Your team has no history, no class and is headed by a villain. Whatever you do while Roman is there is irrelevent as far as I am concerned.
P.S.
Fans from which team on the same plane back as the England team sang “there ain’t no black in the Union Jack” after John Barnes’ wonder goal? But then Hinduism and Nazism have something in common — the swastika. So I can see why you are attracted to them, you ignorant spotty masturbating geek. As if Liverpool fans celebrating their fifth European Cup win would give a fuck what you said, you deluded runt. I don’t support Liverpool, but I recognise a genuine football team when I see one. I would even say that about Spurs and Man Utd.
Sunny, don’t worry, I won’t be responding to whatever the twerp comes back with. I’ve said my piece, for everyone to see.

#77 Comment By Sunny On 9th April, 2006 @ 3:59 pm

Lol, calm down El Cid, its only a commercial

By the way: “But then Hinduism and Nazism have something in common — the swastika”

Well, Hitler appropriated the Swastika from Hindus… they had it for much much longer.

#78 Comment By raz On 9th April, 2006 @ 4:08 pm

“But then Hinduism and Nazism have something in common — the swastika. So I can see why you are attracted to them, you ignorant spotty masturbating geek”

Whoa, that got a bit nasty! It’s only a game, you know ;)

#79 Comment By Robert On 9th April, 2006 @ 4:28 pm

There’s a lot to be said for the similarities between Football supporting and nationalism, I think. The same blind patriotism that remembers all the good times and successes, and forgets the bitter failures and shameful episodes.

Who is a true supporter? Can you change your allegiance, or will you always be an outsider? Do different teams have specific characters? Or are they all, really, at the end of the day, pretty much the same?

#80 Comment By Bikhair On 9th April, 2006 @ 4:51 pm

Vikrant,

Ayesha and Khadijah were curegeous women. I need to take a cue from them.

#81 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 5:15 pm

You are a lickle fool bwai Vik who has just jumped on a billionaire’s backwagon. Your team has no history, no class and is headed by a villain. Whatever you do while Roman is there is irrelevent as far as I am concerned.

Doesnt matter as long as we pwn your asses.

#82 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 5:17 pm

Buddhists use swastika too you drunk spaniard.

#83 Comment By Jay Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 5:20 pm

Vikrant, grow up.

#84 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 5:24 pm

gooo gaaa gooo gaaa

#85 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 5:49 pm

Sunny c’mon u dleted m comment (ok ok that jibe at Bikki may have been a bit unPC but what i sed to El Cid holds).

El Cid stop acting like a touchy bum boil.

#86 Comment By El Cid On 9th April, 2006 @ 6:36 pm

Apologies to non-chelsea supporting hindus everywhere.
Robert: If only it were so simple. It may sound like a neat analogy at a crusty dinner party but in the big wide world, it it isn’t a good fit.
Remembering the bitter failures and shameful episodes is actually key to being a true supporter. As for your other questions: No,no, yes, no.

#87 Comment By Don On 9th April, 2006 @ 7:14 pm

Do you guys realise how annoying you’re being? Not to mention screwing up a Sunday evening blog for everyone else.

#88 Comment By El Cid On 9th April, 2006 @ 7:32 pm

Yes, I must confess I do Don. So I’ll stop.
However, I don’t see you contributing much. I mean a thread and subsequent comments don’t write themselves, now do they?
One thing is for sure: Sunny might think twice before encouraging another free for all.
2hrs 14 minutes was my time btw Sunny.

#89 Comment By Sunny On 9th April, 2006 @ 7:59 pm

Or maybe I’ll make it clear on my next open thread that any discussion of footy is strictly forbidden :)

#90 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 9th April, 2006 @ 8:15 pm

lol El C, *truce*

btw dude, how did ur marathon thingy go?

#91 Comment By Rezwan On 10th April, 2006 @ 12:49 am

Hi Vikrant,

I hope you follow links. Because I leave my footmarks unlike you.

#92 Comment By Jay Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 10:46 am

What a cryptic comment.

#93 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 11:06 am

i think i get it… Rezwan man it seems you’ve recently moved to germany…

#94 Comment By Jai On 10th April, 2006 @ 11:18 am

Raz & Jay Singh,

Fascinating reading about the Husseini Brahmins — I had no idea about any of that. I wonder if Ali was aware that they thought of him as an incarnation of Vishnu when they were fighting alongside him, or if this is actually something that developed in the centuries that followed.

Maybe they just thought of him as a saintly figure but the perceived Vishnu-connection arose much later on.

Great anecdote though Jay, thanks for that. Yet another enlightening experience on PP ;)

#95 Comment By Jay Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 11:39 am

Here is a longer article on the Hussaini Brahmins

[17] http://www.svabhinava.org/MeccaBenares/YoginderSikand/HusainiBrahmins-frame.htm

#96 Comment By Sid Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 11:59 am

I concur with Jai, excellent stuff. thanks for links Jay.

#97 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 12:11 pm

Well i’m reading “[18] White Mughals” by William Dalrymple, therein the author gives a quite vivid description of British affair with India and especially the Shia-Hindu confluence.

#98 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 12:12 pm

Lol 5 “Singhs”….

#99 Comment By Refresh Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 2:55 pm

Salam

Fascinating about the Husaini Brahmins. The author’s point about negative trends of demarcation between communities is well made.

Sat Sri Akal

#100 Comment By Jai On 10th April, 2006 @ 3:00 pm

Jay Singh — thanks for that link, yet more eye-opening reading. Interesting that the Islamic connection in that part of India (at least w.r.t Husseini Brahmins) pre-dates the Delhi Sultans & the Mughals by several centuries, right back to the time of some of Islam’s earliest founders. I had no idea about any of that either.

Speaking of cross-community historical incidents, here’s another interesting anecdote. It involves a British commander of a Sikh battalion during the Second World War who apparently had a vision of Guru Gobind Singh when they were about to be slaughtered by the Germans, although it was only after he described the Guru’s physical appearance to one of his officers that he found out who their mysterious benefactor was. The Guru told him to follow in a certain direction as they were surrounded on all sides, and it was only by doing so that they managed to save themselves. The commander found it a stunning experience and later formally adopted Sikhism because of it.

I’ve come across that story quite a few times, and it includes the name of the commander involved too. Quite an amazing story if it’s true.

Here’s a link detailing what happened:

[19] http://www.sikhlink.com/sikh/miracle2.htm

#101 Comment By raz On 10th April, 2006 @ 4:08 pm

“Interesting that the Islamic connection in that part of India (at least w.r.t Husseini Brahmins) pre-dates the Delhi Sultans & the Mughals by several centuries”

Jai, just out of interest, my own family arrived in the Indian town of Sonepat as part of a community of migrating Shias from Iraq - this was around 767 A.D. They lived there more than a thousand years before leaving at partition. Interestingly, the tomb of the leader of the original settlers, Imam Nasiruddin, is looked after by a Hindu priest. That Shia community has all moved to Pakistan now, but to this day, the local Hindus hold a commemeration for him every year, as was ordered by the priest at the time of his death. Amazing. If I ever visit India, I am defintely going to try and visit his shrine.

#102 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 4:21 pm

community of migrating Shias from Iraq - this was around 767 A.D.

Really, i’m interested… i mean like do you have actual family trees? i tried tracing mine, but turns up nothing after 5 generations.

#103 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 4:22 pm

Isnt Sonepat in Haryana, oye raz is a Haryanvi Jat. Run.

#104 Comment By raz On 10th April, 2006 @ 4:33 pm

Vikrant, I have a family tree going back something like 1300 years. My family in Pakistan sent us a copy of this a while back, my father has it stored away somewhere.

#105 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 4:37 pm

So what do you consider your primary ethnicity to be Punjabi/Rajput/Iraqi/Jat ?

#106 Comment By Jai On 10th April, 2006 @ 5:44 pm

Raz, that’s amazing. It’s always interesting to read up on one’s family history isn’t it, especially if one can trace it back centuries (or even millennia). I knew there was some level of Muslim influx into India hundreds of years before any “mass” contact (eg. trade with Arabs in Gujarat etc), but it’s great that you have such detailed knowledge of your own family’s “story”. What you said about the shrine in Sonepat was also remarkable — and yes, you should definitely try to visit it sometime if you get the chance. I’m sure it would be quite an emotional experience for you — one of life’s milestones, I guess.

Gurinder Chadha’s episode of “Who Do You Think You Are” a couple of months ago was fascinating to watch too — and she managed to trace her own family tree back not only to some soldiers in Maharajah Ranjit Singh’s army but even further, all the way to Pakistan and some village from the time of Alexander the Great.

#107 Comment By raz On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:04 pm

Vikrant,

I’m not really big on caste/ethnicity, but technically I’m a ’syed’ i.e descended from the family of the Prophet Mohammed. Some people make a big deal out of this, but I’m not really into that. It’s nice to know your past though.

Jai,

With the thawing in relations between India and Pakistan, I may well make a visit there at some point in future. As far as I know, all the Shias are gone from there now, but the Hindu’s are still looking after the shrine.Seeing as we’re on this subject, I recommend you try and visit Lahore sometime, and see Guru Nanak’s shrine. The girls are nice too ;)

On the subject of Alexander the great, there are some small tribes of people living in Northern Pakistan who are apparently descendents of his armies. Pakistan actually has very rich and diverse history, which is unknown to many people.

#108 Comment By Jay Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:07 pm

raz

The Gurdwara in Lahore is related to one of the other Guru’s I believe. It is Nankana Sahib and Panja Sahib at Hasan Abdal near Wah that are the two important gurdwaras in Pakistan related to Guru Nanak.

There are lots of sufi dargahs and shia shrines looked after by Nihang Sikhs in Indian Punjab too - in my ancestral village there is a sufi dargah visited by Sikhs and Hindus who treat it as if it was their own religious shrine.

#109 Comment By Jay Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:09 pm

If Sid is reading this - apparently there is a Gurdwara in Dhaka, Bangladesh too which is at the place where Guru Nanak stayed 500 years ago when he visited Bengal on his journeys.

#110 Comment By raz On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:16 pm

Jay, yeah I was thinking of the Nankana Sahib (previously Talwandi) which is actually about 50 miles from Lahore. Do you know anything about who looks after it? Are there any special procdeures for looking after a Sikh holy place? I have advocated before that if this is the case, Indian Sikhs could be asked to come across and help train locals in the correct methods.

#111 Comment By Jay Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:30 pm

raz

The Sikhs of Talwandi who number a couple of thousand basically look after it - there is a commitee called SGPC based in Amritsar who are like the Vatican for Sikhs in India and have jurisdiction over gurdwaras in India - however Pakistan has its own commitee which used to be led by Javed Nasir. I dont want to get into politcs but there is some politics going on there and ex militancy links etc. However, with the new bus service and train service from Amritsar to Lahore/Nankana Sahib that is all behind us.

I have said it before - Pakistan will bring in a hell of a lot of tourist money when free movement across the borders means Sikhs can visit Lahore/Nankana Sahib and other historical and religious sites and there will be a gradual influx of Hindus visiting the temples in ketas and Sindh too. That is the best way to ensure on a human level peace and understanding between India & Pakistan. As well as people from Punjab wanting to visit Lahore as a holiday destination, shopping, museums, shared heritage etc etc

I believe that the West Punjab government is going to allow some NRI Sikhs to invest in Talwandi to help build the infrastructure there to help accomodate pilgrims.

#112 Comment By Jay Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:36 pm

This is an article about how the Nihang Sikhs look after Guru ki Masjid in Punjab, which was built by Guru Hargobind,. the sixth Sikh Guru, for the Muslims of his town. Even though the Muslim Wakf board has jurisdiction, the Muslims want Nihangs to remain the custodians and protectors of the mosque (they view it as their sacred duty to protect and upkeep the masjid)

[20] http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010224/windows/main1.htm

#113 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:41 pm

Well dont Pakistani Sikhs look after Nanak Sahib

#114 Comment By Jay Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:43 pm

Yeah, that’s what I said Vikrant

#115 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 6:59 pm

With all due respects Raz, i’ve read that many so-called “syed”s have concocted family history.

#116 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 7:02 pm

Jay,

Re:SGPC

I’m just reading KPS Gill’s “Knights of Falsehood”
He calls SGPC as weak-minded old fools.

#117 Comment By Jay Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 7:20 pm

They are like all priesthoods and religious establishments full of faults.

#118 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 7:31 pm

As for his book, Jay what is K.P.S Gill’s legacy vis-a-vis for todays Sikhs. I’ve been reading about him from both sides. One side lionises him, while other side protrays him in league with Hitler and Stalin. One things fer sure, that guy has presided over death of Indian hockey.

#119 Comment By raz On 10th April, 2006 @ 8:06 pm

“With all due respects Raz, i’ve read that many so-called “syed”s have concocted family history”

No doubt there are many fake syeds. As I said, I’m not bothered if anyone is a syed or not. Caste means nothing to me. However, I do have a researched family tree which I have seen going back all this time - it is much more important to me in the context of understanding my own family background (e.g. in relation to Sonepat) rather than claiming any direct link to the Prophet, which is presumably the reason why people make these fake claims.

#120 Comment By Vikrant Singh On 10th April, 2006 @ 9:08 pm

Well i’m not into casteist jingoism, but caste is your ethnicity.

#121 Comment By Jai On 11th April, 2006 @ 12:02 pm

Another excellent link by Jay Singh — thanks for that, buddy.

Raz,

=>”I recommend you try and visit Lahore sometime……The girls are nice too”

I think we’ve definitely established beyond any doubt that there are some jaw-droppingly beautiful women in Pakistan, as confirmed by the various links you’ve previously supplied, plus what I’ve seen on TV with regards to Pakistani music videos, fashion shows etc ;)

Anyway, on a more serious note, you may or may not be aware that the foundation stone of the Golden Temple (proper name “Harmandir Sahib”) in Amritsar was actually laid by a Sufi saint from Lahore called Mian Mir, upon the invitation of Guru Arjan. Here is a superb link summarising his life and his connection to the Sikhs:

[21] http://allaboutsikhs.com/bhagats/mianmir.htm

#122 Comment By Jay Singh On 12th April, 2006 @ 8:14 pm

Interesting news in light of the discussion we are having about Sikh-Shia relations:

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Fired by their zeal to repay a debt to the Sikhs, India’s Shia community has embarked upon a mission to construct a Sikh shrine at Basra in Iraq in the honour of Sikhism founder and first Sikh Guru, Guru Nanak.

Maulana Kalbe Jawad, India’s spiritual head of the Shia community, has decided to lead a delegation of prominent Shia leaders to Iraq to persuade Ayatollah Ali Shistani, the supreme authority of the Shia community the world over, to allow construction of the Sikh shrine at Basra near Baghdad.

Zaheer Zaidi, president of the capital-based Husan Ara Trust, said the Shias had never forgotten the great service done by the Sikhs in handing over the shrine of the Eighth Imam at Samana, near Patiala, to them.

“Through this gracious act, the Punjab government has set an example of communal amity and now it is our turn to repay them by pooling our efforts for constructing a Sikh shrine in Iraq,” he said.

As per historical accounts, the Shia community has been blessed with 12 Imams, all of whom trace their ancestry to the Holy Prophet’s family.

The 8th Imam came to India where he died later. A shrine was built in his memory at Samara, but it fell into disuse after the Shias migrated to Pakistan in the wake of partition.

When the Punjab government was apprised by a scholar of the callous neglect of the shrine, it renovated the entire structure at a cost of Rs 32 lakh, and later handed it over the shrine to the Shia community.

“The shrine has now emerged as a pilgrimage centre for the Shia community all over the world. During last few days, over two lakh people visited there to pay their obeisance to the 8th Imam,” Zaidi said.

He also informed that on April 23, the Shias would observe Urs at the shrine. Congress MP Rahul Gandhi is expected to participate in the event.

Maulana Zawad, who was recently in the capital, held talks with Zaidi and the US-based Islamic propagator Tehzeeb Zaidi, in this connection.

It was later decided to construct a Gurdwara in Iraq.

A delegation of Shia leaders would visit Najaf in Iraq soon to hold talks with the Ayatollah Shsitani to seek his permission for constructing the Sikh shrine, Zaidi said.

Maulana Zawad, also the Chancellor of the Lucknow-based Madrastul Waezeen and Imam-e-Juma there, had written a letter to Zaidi, saying efforts for constructing a Sikh Gurdwara in Iraq should be launched without any delay.

“Our Sikh brothers near the tomb of Bahlol Dara at Baghdad will consider the proposal positively. This will also be a part of the birthday celebrations of Prophet Mohammad,” he wrote in his letter.

[22] http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1673312,0008.htm


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[1] http://www.newstatesman.com/200604100017: http://www.newstatesman.com/200604100017
[2] website: http://www.dazbert.co.uk/sites/rudefood/
[3] my particular favourite.: http://www.dazbert.co.uk/sites/rudefood/index.php?page=food/jussipussi.htm
[4] Exhibit A : http://www.dazbert.co.uk/sites/rudefood/index.php?page=food/gratedfanny.htm
[5] Exhibit B: http://www.dazbert.co.uk/sites/rudefood/index.php?page=food/wanker.htm
[6] http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/portraits&page=all: http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/portraits&page=all
[7] http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/image/21370512: http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/image/21370512
[8] http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/image/27939003: http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/image/27939003
[9] http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/portraits&page=all: http://www.pbase.com/bvcuma/portraits&page=all
[10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0TnWnJLoHE&search=sidhu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0TnWnJLoHE&search=sidhu
[11] http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Great+Indian+Laughter+Challenge&search_type=search_videos&search=Search: http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Great+Indian+Laughter+Challenge&search_type=search_videos&
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[12] http://www.setindia.com/max/sidhuisms/galore.htm: http://www.setindia.com/max/sidhuisms/galore.htm
[13] http://stat.wharton.upenn.edu/~kghia/oneliners.html: http://stat.wharton.upenn.edu/~kghia/oneliners.html
[14] http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,1749555,00.html: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,1749555,00.html
[15] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2125385,00.html: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2125385,00.html
[16] this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,1746333,00.html
[17] http://www.svabhinava.org/MeccaBenares/YoginderSikand/HusainiBrahmins-frame.htm: http://www.svabhinava.org/MeccaBenares/YoginderSikand/HusainiBrahmins-frame.htm
[18] White Mughals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Mughals
[19] http://www.sikhlink.com/sikh/miracle2.htm: http://www.sikhlink.com/sikh/miracle2.htm
[20] http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010224/windows/main1.htm: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2001/20010224/windows/main1.htm
[21] http://allaboutsikhs.com/bhagats/mianmir.htm: http://allaboutsikhs.com/bhagats/mianmir.htm
[22] http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1673312,0008.htm: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1673312,0008.htm