The big tent approach


by Sunny
6th April, 2009 at 3:17 pm    

Asim Siddiqui has written a thought-provoking piece for Comment is Free. Have a read.


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  1. marvin — on 6th April, 2009 at 5:03 pm  

    “We must stop appeasing Islamist extremism” = a right wing statement?

    Then thank fuck the Tories will be in next year.

    Nah I don’t really buy Asim’s approach. It has some merits, but he has an absolutely gigantic bumblebee in his mini metro bonnet about anyone he deems as not left wing. A bit like somebody who round these parts mentioning no names…

    respectfully engaging with the widest possible range of views allowing people to develop at their own speed and find their own answers

    Fine. So the liberal-left and Muslims will now engage respectfully with BNP memembers, right???

    One thing I can’t stand is hypocrisy, and the stench on the left is unbearable at present.

  2. Sid — on 6th April, 2009 at 5:06 pm  

    It was a bit twee, wasn’t it? And his single gripe with someone who spends their entire student life being a religious-right Islamist radical at university and then graduates and becomes a right-wing anti-Islamist is that it does not “make you liberal-left”. Do they have to be liberal left to be a goodie in Asim Siddiqui’s book?

  3. Sunny — on 6th April, 2009 at 5:53 pm  

    Fine. So the liberal-left and Muslims will now engage respectfully with BNP memembers, right???

    the Labour party does it all the time.

  4. marvin — on 6th April, 2009 at 6:45 pm  

    Are yes – it’s all down to teh cryptoprotofascists in ZanuLabour!111!!

    Have you rescinded your membership of the Labour party yet? Are you going to vote Tory or not? Or are you going to waste a vote on fringe politics? Come on, you want to sent these protocyptos a message don’t you?

    I don’t think you see New Labour as left wing at all. Even though they very clearly are socialist and statist in nature. Just not liberal enough for you? A bit too authoritarian for your hippy ways? The big arm of the state IS leftism!

  5. Sunny — on 6th April, 2009 at 7:03 pm  

    Sorry marvin, are you actually going to address my point or start frothing at the mouth even more? I’ve never been a member of the Labour Party.

    You talked about engaging with BNP members. I’m making the valid point that politicians of all stripes, including those who think they’re on the left, like New Labour, talk about engaging with people who might vote BNP all the time.

    So your position doesn’t apply.

    Try and address the point eh? And WTF does ‘cryptoprotofascists’ mean anyway? Are you on Mastermind, boy?

  6. The Common Humanist — on 7th April, 2009 at 10:23 am  

    “”Fine. So the liberal-left and Muslims will now engage respectfully with BNP memembers, right???

    the Labour party does it all the time”"

    No we don’t, we take the piss in meetings, use long words and lots of acronyms/Local Government speak. You should see the furrowed brows and confusion.

  7. The Common Humanist — on 7th April, 2009 at 10:24 am  

    Up here in sensible Yorkshire we haven’t used ‘new Labour’ in an awful long time.

  8. soru — on 7th April, 2009 at 11:16 am  

    And WTF does ‘cryptoprotofascists’ mean anyway

    A cryptofascist is someone who thinks anyone who can’t solve the Telegraph crossword should be shot.

  9. The Common Humanist — on 7th April, 2009 at 11:31 am  

    Soru:
    Lol!

  10. douglas clark — on 7th April, 2009 at 11:32 am  

    soru @ 8,

    I really did laugh out loud at that!

  11. damon — on 7th April, 2009 at 11:41 am  

    ”You talked about engaging with BNP members. I’m making the valid point that politicians of all stripes, including those who think they’re on the left, like New Labour, talk about engaging with people who might vote BNP all the time.”

    I suppose the difference was in the word ‘members’.

    Of course you have to engage politically with people who would struggle to keep up with the opinions and views on this website. Whether they should be condemed as lumpen racists (if for example, they are part of the majority who view things like Ragi Omar said were majority views in his series of programmes about racism in Britain last year)… I don’t know.
    Given the complexities that things have – it would seem overly harsh to do so (in my opinion).

  12. cjcjc — on 7th April, 2009 at 12:17 pm  

    Sunny – you’d better join quick to get onto Brown’s final peerage list!

  13. Sunny — on 7th April, 2009 at 12:21 pm  

    lol @ soru.

    damon / TCH – I’m making a distinction between members and the upper hierarchy

  14. damon — on 7th April, 2009 at 1:12 pm  

    Asim Siddiqui said: ”I would define a liberal Muslim as one who is passionate about human rights, rule of law, gender equality and popular sovereignty; they would also have been inspired, in some part, by their understanding of the core values of Islam.”

    But in this ‘big tent aproach’ does it mean that those of us who are secular have to give respect to people’s ideas that we think are laughable?

    On another website I was on, this liberal/leftist Muslim guy (who seemed to think that Islam should be afforded some respect) – admited that when he was at university, he and some of his Muslim friends (who took their religion seriously) – thought that practicising Christians were a bit of a joke.
    He said that he had thought (at the time) of ernest young christian students on campus, in the way that the character Ned Flanders is depicted in the TV show The Simpsons.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_Flanders

    It’s just that this ‘big tent’ thing can be very big.

    Should I respect your religion? What might some people make of the Tamil protests in London yesterday and today?

    Those that don’t really understand things so knowledgeably?

    The banner in Parlaiment square reads:
    ”Tamils yearning for Tamil Elam”

    Are we all meant to understand this politics, and what it means in places (like where I live) – in Croydon?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=745FXa8WJ_s

    It seems to ask a lot of the majority community if they are meant to be up on all these issues (and always libeal about things).

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