Allow me to ask the haterz, tell me exactly what criminal charges have been brought on Lee Jasper? What convictions have been made? How much prison time has he done for the things you allege?

When I pointed out that there were windows open and music playing he said that they do that all the time. The prospectus that I picked up is interesting. It offers a range of courses each for a couple of hours a day and nearly all in the evenings. I would have though that if they were working with unemployed youth then the daytime would have been better.

It aslo seems that the courses are entirely for African Caribbeans. Sounds a bit racist to me. I know that when Camden Irish Centre runs classes in Irish music it goes out of its way to bring in young people of other cultures. We want to share our culture not keep people out.

Sunny, when you start swearing as Leon does you have lost the argument. I will look at the links to see what they say. I have never claimed to be a leader of the anti fascist movement simply that I have been involved in it for the best part of forty years.

From now on Holocaust Denial Defense is simply HDD. Anyway, Weatherspoons is open so I,ll get a few pints in and then off down the City to smash a few windows. Sure and begorrah the Irish like a riot!

LOL! You twat I’ve just linked to three blog posts showing the latest examples of Gilligan misleading everyone and you can’t be asked to read them. So why should anyone take your apparent attempts to lead the anti-fascism movement seriously?

Gilligan has form for being extremely misleading,

That’s quite an understatement.

That’s not the kind of thing that’s done here, you know.

And you know this as fact do you?

Allow me to ask the haterz, tell me exactly what criminal charges have been brought on Lee Jasper? What convictions have been made? How much prison time has he done for the things you allege?

Answer the above sensibly and we’ll start taking your Gilligan ass kissing seriously.

Classic holocaust denial defence but I will check that one out. She is spot on on political correctness though.

That’s not the kind of thing that’s done here, you know.
It’s Gilligan, so it must be wrong.
Get with the program.

What many here do is use the holocaust denial defence. This is used by people like Irving/Rassinier and any number of deniers. Faced with overwhelming evidence of historical fact the deniers will pick on the smallest differences in the evidence of survivors and then use that to rubbish the whole.”

So there we have it -disagreeing with Melanie Phillips is akin to holocaust denial

Well the lady herself did say that the Palestinian desire for a land of their own was a “giant holocaust denial project”

I would like to know where Gilligan has ever mislead anyone about anything. All I know about the man is what I have read in the Evening Standard. I have followed Jasper’s shenanighans for years and was delighted when he was exposed for the charlatan he is.

Inside the anti fascist movement he was one of the most destructive forces for many years with his front organisations sabotageing all attempts at unity so they could get their hands on the money by demanding “Black leadership”. His downfall was the best thing that happened to the anti BNP movement.

I still ask the question to all of his apologists, “Were did the money go”? Simple as that. Three and a half million quid disappeared into organisation that he was involved with and whose behalf he lobbied.

Interesting that you don’t comment on the remarks of Deborah Bestwick of Oval House one of the oldest black projects in London. ” I’ve never heard of Starlight and I would expect to since we do the same sort of work. I wish people would fund projects that are already proven to be effective”.

Anyway I’ll be poping down to South London later today to have a look Starlight and I’ll get back to you.

There seems to be a syndrome developing here which has as its holy writ that anything that is said by a particular group of journalists is a fabrication/smear. In this group are Cohen/Gilligan/Aronavitch/Phillips/Hitchins etc. Then there are a series of words that are used to describe what they have written which invariably include unravel/refute/reject/withdraw/backpedal non of which of course remotely apply.

What many here do is use the holocaust denial defence. This is used by people like Irving/Rassinier and any number of deniers. Faced with overwhelming evidence of historical fact the deniers will pick on the smallest differences in the evidence of survivors and then use that to rubbish the whole.

An example would be to take the testiminy of two survivors of a camp say like Auschwitz/Birkenau. This was a vast industrial/killing complex which processed millions ans was the size of the former Ford factory at Dagenham. The evidence of say the time of the arrival of a particular transport on a perticular day in 1944 would be put separately to the two survivors and any descrepancy fifty years after the event would be used to deny the exist of the holocaust.

I am afraid to say the Pickled Politics is rapidly gaining the same reputation for historical accuracy as David Irving.

As Jasper has been mentioned it is worth while pointing out that he is now being asked to apologise for the racial slur he made in an e-mail to Terry Fitzpatrick back in 2001 where he called all white anti fascists racists including presumably Blair Peach.

The Friends of Blair Peach will be issuing a press statement tomorrow with the full original e-mail and the demand for the apology.

Fancy a curry and a Cobra still Sunny?