Now instead of trying to contextulaise your Worldwide Islamic Threat conspiracy theory to make it even have an iota of credibility, in my estimation you would be better off in using any intellectual faculty in figuring out just why the largest centre-right think tank in the UK is engaged in falsification, lies and perjury.

a) Not the more extreme groups, most Muslims would like the return to the Caliphate. Using the strictest definition of the term Islamism, nearly all Muslims are Islamist. Only a few, are militant Islamists however.

b) It did exist in reality for at least 50 years after the Prophet’s death and some would argue long after.

c) The Caliphate isn’t an expansionist monster, any theoretical Caliphate would be formed on existing Muslim territory, and the closest Europe would get to this theoretical Caliphate would be in diplomatic dealings.
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As for the PX report, it’s based on lies. No mosque or Islamic bookshop ever gives receipts and if they did sell extremist literature, they would definitely not give out a receipt, even if insisted upon.

All the Mosques i’ve been to rigorously self-censor to make sure that such accusations can not be made against them.

“I have personally bought an English edition of the Protocols of The Elders of Zion from the bookshop in the same complex at the East London Mosque and Muslim Centre and if anyone claims I haven’t I will sue them.”

Really? Ive been going to those bookshops for years and have never ever seen a copy. The only non-religious books they sell are dictionaries and driving test guides in Bengali.

Care to name the shop you bought it from Mr-not-a-liar?

You are an idiot

“What makes Islamic terrorism different from other forms around the world is that it has no limitation on its aims except the forcing of Islam on the entire population of the planet. Even the Basque ETA would pack it in if the Spanish government would give them their own country.”

The main people trying to force their way of lives onto others are Western Christians

“It is this which makes militant Islam unique amongst religious fringe groups if indeed it can be called fringe anymore. In no way can books exposing the intentions and methods of radical Islam be compared with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The document has been exposed as a forgery many times over but is still published and distributed widely throughout the Arabic speaking world as an authentic document.”

So there we have it – the Muslims ARE part of a grand conspiracy to take over the world. These books dont suggest “radical islam” is the problem ; they suggest
Islam and ALL Muslims are. Those who printed the Protocols were equally sure Jews were trying to take over the world.

Are you suggesting Eurabia isnt a paranoid conspiracy?

What makes Islamic terrorism different from other forms around the world is that it has no limitation on its aims except the forcing of Islam on the entire population of the planet. Even the Basque ETA would pack it in if the Spanish government would give them their own country.

Sikhism, or the more extreme forms of it, wants Kalistan but isn’t going to force the Sikh religion on anyone. It has been quite a long time since Tomas de Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition and while Hinduism in its more extreme forms can be quite nasty as reported here but forable conversion is not one of its tenets.

It is this which makes militant Islam unique amongst religious fringe groups if indeed it can be called fringe anymore. In no way can books exposing the intentions and methods of radical Islam be compared with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The document has been exposed as a forgery many times over but is still published and distributed widely throughout the Arabic speaking world as an authentic document.

Sorry Blah, you’ll have to better than that.

So? You can stroll into any mainstream bookshop and find books and articles about how Muslims are secretly planning to take over Europe- the Eurabia theory -the modern protocols. Why isnt that hate literature reported on?

The receipts were attributed to those places. They denied they sold that stuff, Policy Exchange stood by its report, initially.

Threat of legal action forced them to take down the report, but also avoided them explaining how those dodgy receipts came to be included in the first place.

Sounds fun!

‘Policy Exchange accepts the Centre’s assurances that none of the literature cited in the Report has ever been sold or distributed at the Centre with the knowledge or consent of the Centre’s trustees or staff, who condemn the extremist and intolerant views set out in such literature. ‘

The words WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OR CONSENT OF THE …STAFF do make a big difference here, because that is not the same thing as a denial. Not even close.

It’s great that PE have (apparently) withdrawn their report and that clarifications have been made, and made publicly. But these clarifications do not mean that the questions about some political Islam activity all go away.

HP, Nick Cohen and Martin Bright would all be quite satisfied that regardless of the truth, their objectives were met.