Snakes Alive!


by Sid (Faisal)
29th March, 2009 at 3:30 pm    

Bangladeshi authorities are continuing investigations of the personnel running the Green Crescent Madrassa, after a raid last week uncovered a small arms and explosives factory fronting as an orphanage. Four militant Islamists have been held for interrogation. The police have released reports that these charity workers were, in addition to providing food and shelter to these orphans under their care,  actively indoctrinating the children with religious instruction and “lessons of jihad”.

Maulana Mohammad Russell of Green Crescent Madrasa used to motivate his students to take part in jihad, which investigators believe he did to raise them as militants in the future.

“Our huzur [teacher] Russell often told us that Allah has created us to establish the Almighty’s rule through jihad,” one of three madrasa students told investigators who visited their homes yesterday.

“The sermon was given after Asr prayers,” an investigator of the discovery of a mini arms factory at the madrasa told reporters.

Wishing anonymity, the investigator said the students aged between seven and eight were given such preaching to turn them religiously blind and involve them in militant activities.

The Green Crescent operated as one of Bangladesh’s many thousands of grassroots NGOs offering education and primary health services. This was certainly the area that Green Crescent charity positioned itself in. Faisal Mostafa of Stockport, named the director of the UK charity, was arrested in Dhaka in connection with the raid. But there are other individuals right here in Britain who could shed some light on the relationship between an explosives factory, an orphanage and what jihadi indoctrination has got to do with the principles of Islamic charity.

The first is Andreas Tzortzis (aka Hamza Tzortzis):

Andreas Tzortzis, a UK-based Islamist speaker and lecturer, is listed as a trustee of the Green Crescent charity on the Charity Commission’s website. Tzortzis has close links with Hizb ut-Tahrir and
regularly speaks at Islamist events across the UK. This evening, for example, he will be speaking at Birmingham University on the subject ‘Sharia law: Barbaric or Misunderstood’. Tzortzis is also a regular guest on the Islam Channel, a number of whose regular presenters are members of Hizb ut-Tahrir.

Then there is Sadek Hamid, chair of the Green Crescent charity, who writes on the Guardian’s Comment is Free blog where he is described as a “community development worker in Manchester and a writer on Muslim youth issues”. This is his CIF profile:

Sadek Hamid currently works in community development in Manchester and has nearly 20 years of involvement in the Islamic voluntary sector. He has written
about Muslim youth issues and British Muslims in Q-News, the Muslim News, Impact International, the Guardian, Youth & Policy Journal and has authored a chapter in a forthcoming volume, Islamic Political Radicalism: A European Comparative (ed Tahir Abbas, Edinburgh University Press, 2006).

He is also is researching for a PhD on Islamic Youth Organisations in the UK at the University of Chester, is a director of the Peacemaker Youth Project, Oldham, chair of the Green Crescent charity and a regular guest on The Week Today programme on the DM satellite television channel.

sadikhamid

This puts the Charity Commission under some pressure, as of course it should.

But I hope this does not stop the Guardian giving space to extremists to disseminate their ideology with op-eds on its pages. Of course, we all know it won’t.

Sunny adds: The guy wrote an article one several years ago, to talk about the Bradford Riots – it’s hardly example of the Guardian giving lots of space to Islamists.


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  1. marvin — on 29th March, 2009 at 4:46 pm  

    Sid rules. If only Sid were to be the first port of call for ‘asian’ issues by the beeb etc. Dues to Sunny to permit such dissenting views on his website. Bravo.

  2. Sunny — on 29th March, 2009 at 5:15 pm  

    LOL marvin – you’re making out as if Sid and I disagree on fundamental issues. We don’t.

    Any British charity that funds Islamist activity back in South Asia should be investigated.

    The cheap shot at the Guardian is unwarranted though. Before the raid happened, it wasn’t clear whether Green Crescent was doing this stuff.

    Saying that, CIF also has plenty of apologists for Israeli aggression, so I don’t see why it should restrict the voices of just Muslim nutjobs.

  3. Sid — on 29th March, 2009 at 5:28 pm  

    The cheap shot at the Guardian is unwarranted though. Before the raid happened, it wasn’t clear whether Green Crescent was doing this stuff.

    I didn’t make any specific statement that the Guardian knew what the Green Crescent is up to. It was more of a general statement that the Guardian gives space to Islamists and continues to do so.

    Saying that, CIF also has plenty of apologists for Israeli aggression, so I don’t see why it should restrict the voices of just Muslim nutjobs.

    However, what *is* a cheap shot is making the false link between Southasian Islamist extremism and “apologists for Israeli aggression”.

    This is exactly the kind of justification that Islamists (and their liberal apologists) propagate. By using this false linkage between Israeli aggression and terrorism in Bangladesh is doing their job for them.

  4. Sunny — on 29th March, 2009 at 5:38 pm  

    This is exactly the kind of justification that Islamists (and their liberal apologists) propagate. By using this false linkage between Israeli aggression and terrorism in Bangladesh is doing their job for them.

    right – so we would both like to see less of both?

  5. Sid — on 29th March, 2009 at 5:58 pm  

    We would. And we would also like to see fewer liberals and Islamists make the causative link between the two.

  6. blah — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:14 pm  

    Typical zionist smear tactics and guilt by association from Sid. Aparently Hamza Tzortzis (why are QF/Sid using his non-Muslim name- are they making takfir?) and Sadek Hamid are suppose to know what’s going on day to day in a school thousands of miles away which they probably have never visited.

    Sid doesnt hold the Guardian responsible for what went on in the maddrassa. Why does he hold Hamza Tszotis and Sadek Hamid?

    Keep smearing Sid -one day it will catch up with you

  7. Sunny — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:15 pm  

    Oh, I’m not making causal links. I’m merely saying that if we want to ban one kind of extremists, we should also ban others kind of extremists.

    Sadek Hamid are suppose to know whats going on day to day in a school thousands of miles away which they probably have never visite

    Forgive me if I sound like Samuel Jackson, but if you’re funding a fucking school you better make sure your fucking money ain’t going to fund muthafucking Islamists. No?
    Or should anyone funding charity just hand over blank checks? Would you be making the same excuse for money going to RSS initiatives that funds attacks against Muslims in India?

  8. Golam Murtaza — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:17 pm  

    ‘Maulana Mohammad Russell’

    Brother of Mohammad Dave, Mohammad Tony, and Mohammad Trevor??

  9. Sid — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:31 pm  

    Oh, I’m not making causal links. I’m merely saying that if we want to ban one kind of extremists, we should also ban others kind of extremists.

    What makes me uncomfortable is when you mention “CIF also has plenty of apologists for Israeli aggression” in response to an article concerning Islamists funding a explosives factory in Bangladesh. Why is Israeli aggression in Gaza the binary opposit of Islamists operating in Bangladesh?

  10. Sid — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:35 pm  

    Sid doesnt hold the Guardian responsible for what went on in the maddrassa. Why does he hold Hamza Tszotis and Sadek Hamid?

    Because they were,respectively, trustee and chair of the Green Crescent charity.

    When are people, especially Bangladeshi Muslims, who read PP going to stop putting up with you defending and bravo-ing Islamists when they attempt kill innocent Bangladeshis?

  11. Sunny — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:36 pm  

    What makes me uncomfortable is when you mention “CIF also has plenty of apologists for Israeli aggression” on an article concerning Islamists funding a explosives factory in Bangladesh.

    Because the implication seems to be that CIF should ban Islamists from CIF because we don’t agree with their views.
    I want to make sure that people have consistent standards when they ask for something. There’s far too many people, for example, who stand up for free speech when its cussing Muslims, but are curiously silent when its Muslims who are shut down.

  12. blah — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:37 pm  

    Sunny

    “Forgive me if I sound like Samuel Jackson,”

    actually you sound more like Sid

    ” but if you’re funding a fucking school you better make sure your fucking money ain’t going to fund muthafucking Islamists. No?”

    Islamists is an absurd made up term

    “Or should anyone funding charity just hand over blank checks? Would you be making the same excuse for money going to RSS initiatives that funds attacks against Muslims in India?”

    If they know the money is going to attack others then it is inexcusable. The RSS is well know for that – is “Maulana Mohammad Russell” ?

    I question whether they do know. Many people do give money to charities abroad without knowing the full details.

  13. Sid — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:42 pm  

    I want to make sure that people have consistent standards when they ask for something. There’s far too many people, for example, who stand up for free speech when its cussing Muslims, but are curiously silent when its Muslims who are shut down.

    Forgive me, but only ever bringing up Israeli aggression in response to Islamist terrorism in Bangladesh does not inspire me of “consistent standards”. Instead it speaks of simplistic Islamist and liberal whataboutery.

  14. Rumbold — on 29th March, 2009 at 6:56 pm  

    Munir/Blah:

    “Many people do give money to charities abroad without knowing the full details.”

    There is a difference between individuals donating money to charity, and the charities themselves. If I gave £10 to Green Crescent months ago, I could reasonably claim that I didn’t know it was being funelled into terrorist activities (if indeed that is what happended). But Green Crescent should be expected to know what is happening to the money they spend on projects. If the allegations are true, then at the very least they have failed in their duty as a UK registered charity. At worst they knew where their money was going.

  15. Sunny — on 29th March, 2009 at 7:07 pm  

    Forgive me, but only ever bringing up Israeli aggression in response to Islamist terrorism in Bangladesh

    Will it help if I bring in the RSS, the Chinese govt, Janjaweed militants and Maoists as well next time? You may also want to point out where they are on CIF.

  16. Sid — on 29th March, 2009 at 7:26 pm  

    Why bring up any at all?

    Are you seriously saying that Israeli aggression and Islamists funding terrorism in Bangladesh is a true and valid dichotomy?

  17. blah — on 29th March, 2009 at 7:30 pm  

    Rumbold
    “There is a difference between individuals donating money to charity, and the charities themselves. If I gave £10 to Green Crescent months ago, I could reasonably claim that I didn’t know it was being funelled into terrorist activities (if indeed that is what happended). But Green Crescent should be expected to know what is happening to the money they spend on projects. If the allegations are true, then at the very least they have failed in their duty as a UK registered charity. At worst they knew where their money was going”

    Absolutely they should enquire and demand reports of what is going on and how the money is spent. But (assuming this story is true) given the sheer distance involved trust is a major part of this; if the people in Bangladesh were telling Sadek Hamid or Hamza Tszortis everything is OK and the money is going on education etc why wouldnt they believe them ?.
    They can hardly pop into the madrassa every day and see everything is ok.

    They were hardly going to be told “yeah we bought 200 kalishakos last week” and both Sadek Hamid and Hamza Tszortis are established members of the Muslim community; its absurd to imagine they would jeapordise that to support this.

    There is background to this which is not being mentioned by the Quilliamites. Hamza Tszitoris was invited to the JIMAS conference but pulled out because of JIMAS’ connection with the pariah QF. So this is appears to be QF way of getting him back- accuse him of links to terrorism. Nasty nasty stuff.

    It will eventually bite them – when there is no one left the Islamophobes will come for them in the end too.

  18. Rumbold — on 29th March, 2009 at 7:34 pm  

    Blah:

    Hang on. It is not good enough simply for a charity to send money off without any checks on what it actually is being used for. I presume that the charity didn’t inform donors that they did this.

  19. Sunny — on 29th March, 2009 at 7:40 pm  

    Are you seriously saying that Israeli aggression and Islamists funding terrorism in Bangladesh is a true and valid dichotomy?

    Well, you bring in the 1971 war when discussing Pakistan’s human rights records. We all bring in tangential issues we think apply to the issue in question. I’ve explain my reasons above. If you’re uncomfortable with it, that’s your prerogative.

    I’ll be sure to bring up the Chinese next time. On account of them being the only Chinese country in the world – they don’t get vilified enough.

  20. blah — on 29th March, 2009 at 7:45 pm  

    Rumbold

    “Blah:

    Hang on. It is not good enough simply for a charity to send money off without any checks on what it actually is being used for. I presume that the charity didn’t inform donors that they did this.”

    No Rumbold you dont get it. They would have been told by people in Bangladesh what it was being used for- maybe been given a (false) break down of where the money went etc shown pictures.

    (Alternatively the ammo could have come from elsewhere)

    If the people being given the money are considered trusthworthy these checks would be enough. Much religious and indeed secular charity in foreign countries is based on this trust.

  21. blah — on 29th March, 2009 at 7:47 pm  

    Rumbold

    “Blah:

    Hang on. It is not good enough simply for a charity to send money off without any checks on what it actually is being used for. I presume that the charity didn’t inform donors that they did this.”

    No Rumbold you dont get it. They would have been told by people in Bangladesh what it was being used for- maybe been given a (false) break down of where the money went etc shown pictures.

    (Alternatively the ammo could have come from elsewhere)

    If the people being given the money are considered trusthworthy these checks would be enough. Much religious and indeed secular charity in foreign countries is based on this trust. The donaters chief motivation is the reward they will get from God – which they will get even if their cash was misappropriated and spent on booze and blue movies etc.

  22. Shamit — on 29th March, 2009 at 8:16 pm  

    “Well, you bring in the 1971 war when discussing Pakistan’s human rights records. ”

    I thought that would be most relevant and appropriate. Its like discussing UK without our colonial past.

  23. Roger — on 29th March, 2009 at 9:09 pm  

    “I’ll be sure to bring up the Chinese next time. On account of them being the only Chinese country in the world”
    Don’t say that to a Taiwanese separatist.

    “- they don’t get vilified enough.”
    To be fair to the Chinese government they are even more brutal to their Chinese subjects who disagree with them than to members of ethnic minorities who disagree with them. An example of positive discrimination.

    Blah: Hamza Tzortzis and Hamza Tzortzis are trustees of Green Crescent. It is their duty as trustees to ensure that the money collected is used for the purposes it was collected for. Either they knew where the money went and approved of its use for buying weapons and training children in them or they were negligent, possibly grossly or even criminally negligent, in not doing their duty as trustees.

  24. fug — on 29th March, 2009 at 10:44 pm  

    big assumption that it was the donor’s money that went to buy the weapons. im still not seeing the the physical connection. just aligning political interests of quilliam, awamis and general haters.

    bigger chance that the madrass was a storage depot. but dont let that spoil your fun.

  25. Andrew — on 30th March, 2009 at 1:04 am  

    The problem is that can the trustees of a charity based in Britain know how it’s money is being spent in Bangladesh? Having said that, should they have known? What exactly does a charity trustee have to find out about what the charity is doing? There is a potential serious crime here of raising money for terrorist purposes. Hamza and Sadek have to explain what they did, or did not know, and why.

  26. platinum786 — on 30th March, 2009 at 10:44 am  

    If you take the guys past out of account you can argue “did he really know what was going on”, but keep that in focus and I think it’s safe to say there is reasonable grounds to suspect he may be aware of what is going on. Daal meh hai kuch kala kala (There is something black in the lentils, a phase used to describe something odd/suspicious).

    As for the other people involved with the charity, It’s not completely fair to involve them or point a suspicious finger at them. A lot of people join onto the boards of such things but play a very inactive role, they may have liked the idea or joined as a favour to help draw credibility/influence to the charity.

    the dig at the Guardian was a bit silly. why shouldn’t anyone be allowed to voice their opinions, as long as they are legal.

  27. cjcjc — on 30th March, 2009 at 1:15 pm  

    Anyone should be allowed to voice their opinions, indeed.

    That is not the same as saying that newspapers are obliged to print them.

    But then it is the job of the Guardian to make middle-class armchair radicals feel good about themselves.

    It is truly their version of the Daily Mail.

  28. Amused — on 30th March, 2009 at 3:28 pm  

    bigger chance that the madrass was a storage depot

    Hahaha – oh dear, how naive

  29. David Jones — on 30th March, 2009 at 6:37 pm  

    Making those tendentious analogies again Sunny?

  30. Daveydub — on 1st April, 2009 at 2:12 pm  

    To be involved in a kids charity I would have thought that CRB checks would be required as they would be for teachers etc. I wonder if, given his past, Dr Mostafa checked out OK:

    Dr Faisal Mostafa was caught at Manchester Airport trying to smuggle a pistol and bullet parts out of the UK in July 2008.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    15 November 2000,Two men accused of plotting to cause “terrorist” explosions in the UK were foiled by MI5, a court has heard.Undercover officers retrieved two waste bin liners from an address in Birmingham and found traces of a high-explosive on discarded latex gloves, Birmingham Crown Court was told.The jury at the trial heard that documents which amounted to a “terrorist’s handbook” were found on a laptop used by 31-year-old Moinul Abedin and 37-year-old Faisal Mostafa. Mr Mostafa was then picked up at New Street rail station in Birmingham.He had with him four computer discs containing information about making HMTD.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    As well as being acquitted of the 2002 charges, Mostafa was cleared during a trial 13 years ago of conspiring to cause explosions.

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