Daud Abdullah and the Istanbul Declaration


by Sid (Faisal)
24th March, 2009 at 1:04 pm    

On the eve of the unveiling of Contest 2, the updated counter-terrorism strategy, the government has suspended ties with the MCB.

The government had previously downgraded its relationship with the MCB, formally everyone’s favourite Muslim quango, in the autumn of 2006. Back then the full extent of the knowdledge of the close ties it’s head honchos enjoy with the Muslim Brotherhood and Jamaat-e-Islam were only partially apparent. This time round, the break looks permanent, with  Hazel Blears demanding the MCB sack Daud Abdullah after he was found to have signed what is being referred to as the Istanbul Declaration.

The council’s deputy secretary-general, Daud Abdullah, signed a declaration last month that the government and critics of the MCB have interpreted as calling for violence against Israel and condoning attacks on British troops.

The declaration followed a meeting in Istanbul of clerics and other Muslim leaders from around the world to discuss strategy after Israel’s attacks on Gaza.

Here is an English translation of the text of the Declaration.

7. The obligation of the Islamic Nation to regard everyone standing with the Zionist entity, whether countries, institutions or individuals, as providing a substantial contribution to the crimes and brutality of this entity; the position towards him is the same as towards this usurping entity.

8. The obligation of the Islamic Nation to regard the sending of foreign warships into Muslim waters, claiming to control the borders and prevent the smuggling of arms to Gaza, as a declaration of war, a new occupation, sinful aggression, and a clear violation of the sovereignty of the Nation. This must be rejected and fought by all means and ways.

In spite of the uncompromising and ultimatory nature of the wording of the Istanbul Declaration, Daud Abdullah has issued a swift denial to the Guardian.

He said of his views: “If British troops were to engage in a breach of international law, it is up to the people of the territory to decide what to do. But as I understand it, under international law, it is their right to resist.”

He defended signing the statement, saying: “It made no specific mention of attacks on British troops. The statement does say if foreign troops enter Gaza’s territorial waters, it is the duty of Muslims to resist, as it would be seen as assisting the siege.”

Later, in an email, Abdullah said: “I did not and do not condone calls for attacks on British troops.

“The British government has not deployed troops to the territorial waters of Gaza and I do not believe it or our parliament would endorse any breach of international law.

“Any discussions about what should or would happen is hypothetical and I cannot speculate.”

The last statement seems to contradict article 8 of the Declaration he has signed and championed. The statement “must be rejected and fought by all means and ways” is NOT hypothetical at all.

Daud Abdullah must have known that Gordon Brown had suggested sending troops to in order to stop smuggling into Gaza? Whether Dr Abdullah signed because of or in spite of that knowledge or whether it was hypothetical or speculative is academic. But it does raise some interesting questions on the kind role the MCB is prepared to play in the fight against extremism in the UK. Starting with ‘will the real Daud Abdullah please stand up’?


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  1. platinum786 — on 24th March, 2009 at 2:12 pm  

    I’m not a fan of the MCB. They may as well be called the Mute Council of Britain, as they have no real standing within the Muslim community. To me they are like a detached body from the Muslim community who claim to represent us. Who’s the representative for my area? When did anyone elect him or her, and when will I be able to meet him or her? As you can see out of touch.

    I think the government is walking a bit of a tightrope with this one. Should they be interfering with the running of an organisation?

    Mind you at the same time the MCB should take another look at the statement they signed upto. Fair enough it was rather generic, not wrong, but what can it come across as?

    Two words jump to mind, Mountain, molehill.

    There are two main issues here too;

    – Loyalty of MCB and their members to the British state
    – Fairness of UK policy regarding Palestine

    The government is defintely wrong. It’s continued support of Israel in the face of the attrocities committed is beyond a joke. I wouldn’t ask the British government to support Hamas, but I would ask it to cut all diplomatic, economic and military ties with Israel until it returns to it’s pre 67 borders, and that includes the settlements and the ugly cncrete wall they are building.

    At the same time, the government should refuse to recognise the legitimacy of the Hamas government until it agrees to a total ceasefire against the state of Israel.

    The MCB is very near the edge of wrong. to sign such a catch-all agreement was not wise. Mr Abdullah obviously has put his position on the rocks, but the government is quite clearly interfering for asking him to go.

  2. David T — on 24th March, 2009 at 2:16 pm  

    They’re not asking for him to go.

    They’re asking for him to go, as a condition of continuing to engage with the MCB.

    If the MCB want to keep a man who supports terrorism against Britain, then fine. But they shouldn’t get cash, or have access to ministers.

    The same goes for MINAB, which has both Daud Abdullah, and Al Rawi on the Steering Group.

    The bottom line is this. The Government should NOT be funding organisations whose officers support terrorist attacks on this country.

    Surely this isn’t controversial?

  3. platinum786 — on 24th March, 2009 at 2:19 pm  

    What’s controversial is what defines “supporting terrorists attacks on this country”.

    you know that.

  4. munir — on 24th March, 2009 at 2:24 pm  

    David T

    “If the MCB want to keep a man who supports terrorism against Britain, then fine. But they shouldn’t get cash, or have access to ministers.”

    Am sure when new Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu , who held a celebration of the slaughter of Brits in the King David hotel by zionist terrorists in the 40s, comes to these shores David T and HP will be loudly protesting his presence. Not.

  5. munir — on 24th March, 2009 at 2:31 pm  

    Hehe this same subject was posted by HP at 9.30 this morning.
    One day Sid is gonna come up with his same material.

    Astonishingly though Sids rant is much milder than HPs -which more and more resembles a down market tabloid- someone called Lucy Lips (David T?) calls Abdullah a traitor and calls for his arrest for treason!!!!

    Their motivation is because Daoud Abdullah defends the Palestinains. Sid’s (and HP’s) because he is part of an organisation calling for Muslim rights.

  6. platinum786 — on 24th March, 2009 at 2:57 pm  

    I personally wouldn’t have signed this agreement for the following reasons;

    1. It assumes somehow that the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza we saw over Christmas was a victory. God only knows how they came to that conclusion.

    2. They seem to be rather anti Fateh and pro Hamas. realistically both sides have blood on their hands, neither of them have more legitimacy than the other.

    3. The declaration covers old ground, it covers nothing new, it’s a knee jerk reaction, shouting boo at Muslim states.

    4. For a group who were ranting quite a bit about lack of Muslim unity, I didn’t see a single signature from a Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi or Indonesian scholar. The Muslim populations of these nations form nearly half the Muslim world. It seems to be a very arab affair.

    I also find little in that delcaration that is objectionable and nothing to merit resigning over. Have a read of it yourself, the most controversial point is this;

    8. The obligation of the Islamic Nation to regard the sending of foreign warships into Muslim waters, claiming to control the borders and prevent the smuggling of arms to Gaza, as a declaration of war, a new occupation, sinful aggression, and a clear violation of the sovereignty of the Nation. This must be rejected and fought by all means and ways.

    If someone was to blockade Palestinian waters, is that legal?

    regarding Hamas like it or not it’s the legitimate government of Palestine, just about. Why does the US/EU send arms to Fateh for the security of the Palestinian people?

    i think an even handed approach is required. Blockade Hamas, but blockade Israel too.

  7. fug — on 24th March, 2009 at 3:37 pm  

    It’s simply another case of zionist whispers. The biggest signal is the preparation of the pdf attached (look at the honorifics) and the increasingly dubious native informant proxy. Perhaps he has some beef with the Carribean Muslims for something to do with the liberation of Bangladesh, who knows?!?

    I think the ‘eff you blears!’ signal response is a good one, and one which the membership of the organisation and the fellowship of the community support. There’s lots of work to do if the MCB wants to transform itself to serve and assist the organisation of the Muslims and be a positive social constellation in the UK.

    Being distracted by the whims of government is a waste of rare resources.

  8. David Jones — on 24th March, 2009 at 4:47 pm  

    It’s simply another case of zionist whispers

    This place is turning into MPAC

  9. David T — on 24th March, 2009 at 4:55 pm  

    “I think the ‘eff you blears!’ signal response is a good one, and one which the membership of the organisation and the fellowship of the community support. ”

    Have you thought this through?

    Do you think that a body which claims to represent British Muslims really ought to be supporting a senior member, who signed a declaration calling for attacks on “countries, individuals, institutions” “standing with” the “Zionist entity”? Or attacks on “foreign navies” in “Muslim waters”?

    Let’s put it another way.

    Anti-Muslim bigots like the BNP claim that all Muslims are supporters of terrorism, and are a threat to this country.

    Don’t make their argument for them.

  10. Sid — on 24th March, 2009 at 5:07 pm  

    I think they and their franchises have lost the right to be government funded over this.

    I would much rather see the Muslim Council of Britain renamed to something akin to Jamaat Council of Britain (JCB) or the Muslim Brotherhood UK (MBUK) in order that they wear their politics on their sleeves and stay ringfenced by their own ideologies.

    Then no one has cause to complain if their directors sign this or that extrmist charter.

  11. Paul Moloney — on 24th March, 2009 at 5:22 pm  

    “Am sure when new Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu , who held a celebration of the slaughter of Brits in the King David hotel by zionist terrorists in the 40s,”

    Based on this logic, all Irish politicians should be banned from the UK?

    P.

  12. fug — on 24th March, 2009 at 5:39 pm  

    Dunno about mpac, but it is zionist whispers. Zionists and minions need to realise that they are not the only ones interested in living in this world.

    Equating non al quaida types with al quaida is high on the zionist agenda. It serves their interest of Pariahtise Msulims who It is that advice that she is acting upon its as obvious as the google returns when searching for information on this ‘issue’.

    Muslim brotherhood(egypt, westbank gaza …) does not equal Bin Ladenism

    Neither does jamaat e islami pakistan/india/kashmir/bangladesh.

    clear as mud?

    the government should be investigating british jews operating in Israel and gaza, and promoting sancitions on israel. not trying to machine small voluntary organisations like the MCB.

  13. Sid — on 24th March, 2009 at 6:05 pm  

    Like saying “the BNP does not equal Hitler” which is both semantically incorrect and logically meaningless.

  14. Katy Newton — on 24th March, 2009 at 6:13 pm  

    Radio Fugstar: where Jews secretly run the world 24 hours a day

  15. Imran Khan — on 24th March, 2009 at 6:24 pm  

    Dave T – you really are so so selective are you not. During a week when you remained largely silent as Israeli Soldiers confirmed that they were told they were fighting a religious war and where they themselves said they saw IDF Troops cold bloodedly murder innocent civilians then why is there no similar clamour by you and Hazel Blears for terms of engagement with British Jewry who I note have yet to condemn these acts commited by troops and a country they loudly supported and which I would point out is in violation of many laws.

    If Daud Abdullah is guilty then so are those who supported Israel. So you are happy to punish one side and mute about the other.

    Surely both are wrong and Hazel Blears needs to be even handed and limit contact with both sides until they agree to protect the lives of ordinary citizens and not preach religious war.

    Surely with your ever growing profile you should be calling for checks on Israel as well but hell no you are quite happy for one side to be punished and awfully quiety about your own communities excessive brutality now documented to go by unchecked.

    The Chief Rabbi who supported Israel now has by proxy supported Jewish Religious War and so have much of the Jewish Organisations in this country. So why are our tax pounds used to support such organisations unchecked when they have also failed to condemn such actions in the same reason.

    Pot Kettle Black

  16. Imran Khan — on 24th March, 2009 at 6:28 pm  

    Sid – “Then no one has cause to complain if their directors sign this or that extrmist charter.”

    Thats fine if applied equally but whilst the MCB is being singled out then Pro-Israel organisations which you so dearly love are getting away scott free as Israel pursues Religious War as reported by its own troops that is what Government Sanctioned Rabbi’s told them.

    So why is one religious war acceptable which led to innocent people being killed indiscriminatly and another isn’t in the very same region.

    Isn’t your position inconsistent and one sided.

    The problem here is Hazel “Right Wing Think Tank Lover” Blears is not being even handed and that is likely to cause more problems. She is failing in her duty to both sides and is showing bias and blindness which will stoke community tension.

  17. Imran Khan — on 24th March, 2009 at 6:41 pm  

    DaveT – “Do you think that a body which claims to represent British Muslims really ought to be supporting a senior member, who signed a declaration calling for attacks on “countries, individuals, institutions” “standing with” the “Zionist entity”? Or attacks on “foreign navies” in “Muslim waters”?”

    Equally should you be supporting blindly a country which its own troops say carried out indiscriminate killing of civilians and have Government Sanctioned Rabbi’s preaching Holy Way and Ethnic Cleansing?

    Should our tax payers money be given to Pro-Israel Organisations who have failed to condemn these attrocities and why are you quiet on bringing this to the fore?

    Shouldn’t Hazel Blears also be addressing this issue so the two communities can see that the Communities Minister is even handed?

  18. Imran Khan — on 24th March, 2009 at 6:44 pm  

    Katy – “Radio Fugstar: where Jews secretly run the world 24 hours a day”

    The problem is that there is too much polarisation and thus views like this appear. The government is too lop sided and this itself is causing tension.

    It needs grassroots action to sort this out and I fear it isn’t happening enough.

    It is a bloody shame what is happening as generally relations are good but this is beginning to worry me now that too much tension and ill feeling is being left behind and it shouldn’t be.

    We need some action now to redress the relations.

  19. Don — on 24th March, 2009 at 6:46 pm  

    If Daud Abdullah is guilty then so are those who supported Israel.

    As I understand it, Daud Abdullah is accused of implying that in certain circumstances UK support for Israel would justify acts of violence towards the UK, which should be regarded as at war with Islam and should be fought by all means and ways. The statement looks ambivalent to me, but that is the objection, isn’t it?

    Those who actively supported Israeli action in Gaza do not take that stance, even ambivalently. So the cases are not comparable.

    However, I do believe that UK citizens who have served with the IDF, as I believe some have, should be subject to very close scrutiny.

  20. Imran Khan — on 24th March, 2009 at 7:36 pm  

    Don – That is semantics. Either the government will ask all community organisations to condemn and abhor all killing of civilians and holy war or be selective.

    It is quite clear that Blears isn’t fit for her position given her biased opinions.

    I am not saying she should be pro-Palestinian or pro-Israel – she should be even handed and she isn’t.

    Anyone can see this is a biased decision designed to suck up to her right wing think tank friends who are pushing her as the successor to Gordon Brown – Their Blair in a skirt.

    She hasn’t done either community any good with her bias. Fine put pressure on the MCB for extremist statements but then put pressure on British Jewish Organisations to condemn exremism in the foreign policy they supported.

    She needed to condemn all extremism and she botched it much like Blair did and continues to do. he isn’t fit to be a Peace Envoy when his bias is so plain and clear for all to see. Blair is a failure as a Peace Envoy and he lacks the courage to be even handed. Same for Blears.

  21. Refresh — on 24th March, 2009 at 7:42 pm  

    This post is a distraction to what is becoming public knowledge about war crimes committed by the IDF.

    I would ignore it and bring the focus back to where its should be – war crimes and with that very very close scrutiny of british citizens who went and killed men women and children in Gaza.

    Hazel Blears needs to be forced to pass comment on what should happen to these universal soldiers.

  22. Imran Khan — on 24th March, 2009 at 7:49 pm  

    Refresh – “Hazel Blears needs to be forced to pass comment on what should happen to these universal soldiers.”

    She’d never do that as her love affair with the Right Wing War Tanks will end!!!!!!!!!!

    How many people would have the courage to raise such an issue.

  23. Refresh — on 24th March, 2009 at 7:52 pm  

    I would add, we need to understand what the government is doing to get the blockade lifted, and how is the promised aid getting into Gaza. Its clearly not moving, now that the focus on the killings has shifted.

    And when will the bill be presented to Israel?

  24. Refresh — on 24th March, 2009 at 8:01 pm  

    ‘How many people would have the courage to raise such an issue.’

    Millions, if only the truth would out.

  25. Don — on 24th March, 2009 at 8:03 pm  

    Imran,

    Not semantics, a real distinction. Ihe implication that under certain, entirely possible, circumstances the UK and its forces should be regarded as legitimate targets for violence is of an entirely different nature to partisanship over a war in which we are not directly involved.

    As it happens, I agree that the government should ask all community organisations to condemn and abhor all killing of civilians and holy war… but that is a separate issue.

  26. Imran Khan — on 24th March, 2009 at 8:05 pm  

    Worth a read:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/24/islam-politics

    Some extracts:
    “Hazel Blears, secretary of state for communities and local government, is trying to engineer the resignation of Daud Abdullah, deputy secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain. She may not like Abdullah or agree with his views but, frankly, it’s none of her business. The MCB is not a government body and can appoint whoever it wants as its deputy secretary general.

    This sort of government interference is condemned by human rights organisations when it happens under dictatorial regimes such as that in Egypt where authorities vet the board members of NGOs and even tell them how they must conduct their meetings.”

    “Similarly with violence. Muslim organisations are required to condemn violence while Jewish organisations that aid and abet Israel’s warmongering policies don’t receive letters of complaint from Hazel Blears or threats to exclude them from meetings with the government.”

    So Sid shouldn’t the Communities Minister also write a letter of complaint to Jewish Organisations demanding they end their support for an extremist policy and holy war there so that she is even handed?

    Come one everyone can see this is more Blears Bullshit and she is in no way being fair and just to both communities.

    She is bloody deaf and blind to one side of this argument and fiery and confrontational to another. Then she talks about Community Cohension when she can’t see where her policies are taking us.

    It is biased rigth wing politics and you know it.

    Please can you confirm when you’ll be writing a critique of her failure to address the issue of support for holy war in the Jewish Community? Just so you are even handed of course ;-)

  27. Imran Khan — on 24th March, 2009 at 8:13 pm  

    Don – “Not semantics, a real distinction. Ihe implication that under certain, entirely possible, circumstances the UK and its forces should be regarded as legitimate targets for violence is of an entirely different nature to partisanship over a war in which we are not directly involved.”

    Only possible if the UK deployed ships to uphold a blockade. They don’t so you are talking semantics.

    Does Israel allow the UK into its own and Gaza’s territorial waters? Nope so it isn’t happening any time soon.

    Britian has not participated in a blockade of Gaza ever to my knowledge so it isn’t a possible situation unless Hazel Blears becomes PM.

    Even Israel’s Supporter No1 the USA isn’t involved in a military blockade of Gaza.

    So all these hypothosis are unlikely to happen.

    Blears is simply positioning herself for the support of the right when she makes her leadership run. So the right wing and Murdoch media support her as a guardian of their Blairite policy.

    If Blears was fulfilling her duty as a Communities Minister then she would be even handed on such issues to fulfill her remit. She isn’t and never has been.

    She is playing communal politics of the worst kind within her role and its likely to cause a mess in Jewish Muslim relations.

  28. Don — on 24th March, 2009 at 8:38 pm  

    Imran,

    I don’t want to make a big deal about this, partly because I think a lot of your points are valid, but shrugging off a clear distnction as ‘semantics’ makes me wonder what meaning you are giving to the word.

    And Point 7 of the Declaration suggests that nothing as specific as a naval blockade is required to make the UK a target. ‘Standing by the entity’ would seem to be enough.

    It is an implied threat. Support Israel and be treated as Israel is treated. As much as I may abhor the recent actions in Gaza, as much as I may think the UK government should seriously and urgently review its current policy toward the I/P conflict, any UK citizen who signs up to a declaration which even potentially makes other UK citizens legitimate targets for violence should not expect to be treated as a viable ‘partner’ by the UK government. Nor should any organisation in which such a person holds a significant position.

  29. Sid — on 24th March, 2009 at 9:38 pm  

    This post is a distraction to what is becoming public knowledge about war crimes committed by the IDF.

    I would ignore it and bring the focus back to where its should be – war crimes and with that very very close scrutiny of british citizens who went and killed men women and children in Gaza.

    Refresh

    How is this a distraction to the Gaza war crimes story when there is a post by Sunny dedicated to it here?

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/3820

    No one’s stopping you from posting your comments on that post.

    I am intrigued though why you’re bringing up the Gaza war crimes story on a thread about the MCB.

    Do you think these two stories are related?

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  31. Niels C — on 24th March, 2009 at 11:01 pm  

    A critique of the Istanbuhl declaration should also
    dismis the sunni islamist rhetoric and it’s use of
    of concepts like ‘Islamic Nation’ and ‘muslim water’.
    Those concepts and the discussion of ‘In closed meetings after sessions delegates focussed on the creation of a “third Jihadist front” – the first two being Afghanistan and Iraq’ if BBC is to belive.
    This group of sunni muslims are clearly engaging in an agressive propaganda war against the rest of the world,that they also are part of a real war is a good question, they don’t like to answer.

  32. douglas clark — on 25th March, 2009 at 12:18 am  

    Omar,

    With all due respect, if you’ve anything to say, why don’t you say it here?

  33. Refresh — on 25th March, 2009 at 12:31 am  

    Sid,

    ‘Do you think these two stories are related?’

    Yes I do. And I believe the re-birthing of the government’s anti-extremism program is also a distraction.

  34. cjcjc — on 25th March, 2009 at 8:18 am  

    I believe Jade Goody’s death was also timed to distract from the IDF story.

    Clear Mossad involvement.

  35. Roger — on 25th March, 2009 at 8:55 am  

    Why should the government subsidise or have contact with any religious-based movement?

  36. Refresh — on 25th March, 2009 at 10:14 am  

    cjcjc, you are getting silly.

    I was thinking of distraction from the governments fall in popularity and the up coming Euro elections, in its attempt to tackle the rising support for the BNP.

    As for the Israel, it is of course a distraction when the real story is the IDF, Gaza and the extremist Liebermann becoming foreign minister.

  37. Little Richardjohn — on 25th March, 2009 at 11:43 am  

    David Cameron has not expressed support for the following declaration.
    He is therefore unfit to be an MP.

    8. ‘The obligation of the British Nation to regard the sending of foreign warships into British waters, claiming to control the borders and prevent the import of arms to Britain, as a declaration of war, a new occupation, sinful aggression, and a clear violation of the sovereignty of the nation. This must be rejected and fought by all means and ways.’

    Gaza is a sovereign state run by an elected government. It has a right to defend itself from attacks by a ruthless neighbour with no scruples about committing war crimes.
    Whatever religious nuttery promoted by this Istanbul Declaration, the assertion of the right to self-defence is something the Daily Mail, and everyone now calling for Daud Abdullah’s head on a plate, would surely support – except in the case of one of Israel’s victims, apparently.

    Let’s not forget what the Israeli navy can get up to given a free hand. Days before the onslaught against Lebanon, they were busy shelling Beirut beach parties, in heroic defence of their homeland.

  38. Sid — on 25th March, 2009 at 12:17 pm  

    Whatever religious nuttery promoted by this Istanbul Declaration, the assertion of the right to self-defence is something the Daily Mail, and everyone now calling for Daud Abdullah’s head on a plate, would surely support – except in the case of one of Israel’s victims, apparently.

    The Daily Mail is going to continue flogging its editorial policy of demonising British Muslims to anyone who buys it by pushing the story of Daud Abdullah, deputy secretary-general of the MCB, signing a Hamas document which calls for attacks of British Troops.

    But what most people and most Muslims do not support is Daud Abdullah or his views.

    But the MCB and the Daily Mail will do everything they can to resist that notion.

  39. Imran Khan — on 25th March, 2009 at 2:00 pm  

    Sid – Daud Abdullah was on Newsnight with Keith Vaz speaking for the Government and Daud Abdullah denied making threats to British Forces. The translation made by Newsnight was also different to the hysteria and was a fairly vague statement.

    Vaz refused to answer questions about why the Government and Blears are refusing to apply the same rules to Jewish Organisations.

    On the whole even Paxman could see the stupidity of Blears position and went after Vaz quite hard.

    Some crucial questions are emerging here namely that Blears is undermining independant organisations at her own whim and not applying policy equally and fairly and justly.

    Surely this issue needs to be addressed as much as the Daud Abdullah situation.

    Do you find it acceptable that there is one rule for Muslim Organisations and apparently one for Jewish Organisations?

    I find it suprising you are so quiet on this inequality.

    Also when Islam is perceived to be uneual all hell breaks loose but when Muslims are treated unequally then it seems acceptable policy.

    Why are Jewish Organisations not being held to the same standards?

  40. Refresh — on 25th March, 2009 at 2:15 pm  

    Imran,

    ‘The translation made by Newsnight was also different to the hysteria and was a fairly vague statement.’

    I did think to question the translation in the post. Do you have Newsnight’s?

  41. Sid — on 25th March, 2009 at 2:22 pm  

    I think it was wrong of Hazel Blears to have gone on the rampage and demanded Daud Abdullah to be sacked. There are far more effective tools that could have been used – such as prosececution of Abdullah at the appropriate time. That would have automatically made his position as a director of the MCB untenable. Two birds, one stone.

  42. Refresh — on 25th March, 2009 at 2:25 pm  

    Sid

    ‘But what most people and most Muslims do not support is Daud Abdullah or his views.’

    Firstly most people have no idea who he is, and if they now do it will be entirely due this faux hysteria, upped by a politician of little consequence.

    Secondly, most people including most muslims see what goes in Israel and despair. They feel helpless and watch from the sidelines – as pictures of a murderous regime goes in and out of a huge open air prison at will, are beamed into their living rooms. So I don’t think for one minute this diversion from the Israeli regime to an individual who signeda piece of paper means anything other than expose the duplicity of Hazel Blears.

    Jacqui Smith rants about standing up for our values – I am quite confident that would ordinarily include offer protection and seek justice for the Palestinians. Even though that would run counter to what the government really wants us to believe.

  43. Refresh — on 25th March, 2009 at 2:50 pm  

    Sid

    You should watch the Newsnight interview – Jeremy Paxman nails it.

    The government has moved into the idiocy phase.

    Note also the point -the government does NOT and has NOT given money to MCB. It has contracted them in the past for specific projects.

    This was the lie DavidT and HP had been pushing ever since I’ve been on PP.

  44. Imran Khan — on 25th March, 2009 at 4:19 pm  

    Sid – It is clear that Blears is running a covert campaign for leadership and wants to be seen as tough.

    Its nothing more than that.

    She is uneven in her policy, unjust, fails to adopt core values of the wider country herself who support the Palestinians which shows that politicians don’t listen to the masses.

    If she stood for the values she claims she does she wouldn’t have made such a poor decision.

    Blears = Blair in a dress.

  45. fug — on 25th March, 2009 at 5:26 pm  

    muslim people would tend to know Dr Daud from his work at the palestinian return centre.

    Funny how govt still sees MCB as the Vatican.

    browns cabinet is dangerously thin on talent.

  46. Mrs Ben — on 25th March, 2009 at 6:18 pm  

    Dr Abullah is a West Indian (from Grenada) who converted to Islam in 1975 – he says as a result of his experiences of colonialism. Seems a curious route to Islam as there are virtually no Muslims in Grenada. He studied in Saudia and the Sudan and now lives in London but at the end of the day he is not from the Middle East and has never lived in the Palestinian Territories. I find it interesting that some of the chief apologists for Hamas in the UK are Muslim converts who have never lived in the POLO territories. Does anyone know, is there a leading Palestinian member of the MCB in the UK?

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