Naturally when Saudi Arabia’s or Kuwait’s record of human rights abuses and racist attitudes towards Southasian migrant workers (especially women) is held up to scrutiny and criticised, Islamists of your sort will personalise it and attempt to shut down debate by throwing down the “anti-Arab racism” card.

Nothing new there.

Hehhee – Sid that is your whole modus operandi !!!
Except you dont actually need evidence. You impute to people what they havent said.

Your anti-Arab racism is evident on numerous posts

Of course you do, it’s a completely symbiotic relationsip.

You realise don’t you that I could just as easily claim you hate Jews, Ahmadiyya, Hindus, Sikhs, Bangladeshis, gays, women, etc etc – as has been demonstarted time and time again on this site

No its accurate with a tweak – you dont like Mousawi because he is an Arab and you hate Arabs – as has been demonstarted time and time again on this site.

Sid
“Your love of someone who spends his life blowing smoke up the arse of Islamists like you is even more instructive.”

I greatly admire Bob Pitt for the work he does defending MUSLIMS. You claim he only defends “Islamists” but he posts articles about attacks on Muslims for religious non-political issues (eg on a woman being discriminated for wearing hijab)

The fact you hate someone who defends Muslims is as I said highly instructive. Like others you hide behind hatred of “Islamists” when really you hate the Muslim religion.

If you dont like him defending “Islamists” why not produce a website solely detailing the levels of hatred against “non-Islamists” Muslims ? You dont – instead you join with those spreading the hatred
against Muslims and defending them!!

When this bogus “war on terrorism” started many Muslims said it was a war on islam for which they were criticised. Yet what started as attacks on extremist terrorist Muslims (who we all oppose) has swiftly moved to attack as extremists any Muslim defending their land against armies then attacking as extremist any Muslim who believes religion and politics can be mixed then attacking as extremist any Muslim who wears Islamic clothing etc etc.

“First they came for the “Islamists” indeed

The question you need to ask is why should I have to abuse or ridicule you when you’re doing such a fine job of it yourself?

Regarding this as a “White/Brown Wilders In/Mousawi Out” issue is the only strawman here. Trying to ascribe your racist reductivism onto me is just personal projection.

“Stop trying to knock down the straw men you build up, Sid. Stick to the facts. (I expect a large amount of unsubstantiated abuse or ridicule from Sid in response, instead of any reasoned justification of his hypocritical position)”

exactly. Sid is incapable of debating points- he just hurls abuse, unsubstantiated allegations and thinks thats an answer.

Either that or he should call for allowing all these figueres, be they pro-Jewish, pro-Israeli, OR those like Musawi and Sayeedi into the UK.

But he can’t have it both ways.

Until that happens, his excuses of ‘moral relativism’ will simply remain cheap and shodddy (despite his attempts to ‘sophisticate’ them) and will only act to further expose his hypocrisy that is becoming increasingly clear to all who interact with him.

“They deny the Jamaat’s role as collaborators with Pakistan military in the genocide in 1971.”

I stated in post 60
” I had been under the impression that JI , volunteers supporting the Pakistani army…”

I do deny your absurd claim that JI killed 2 million people in 1971!!!

“* They excuse Maulana Maududi’s pogroms of Ahmadiyya Muslims.”

1)Im not a member of JI and consider parts of Maududis writing heertical
2)What pogroms? As far as I knew Maudodi wrote a pamphlet against the Qadianisn for which he was jailed
3) Ahmadis are not Muslims by consensus of Muslim scholars because they believe in a prophet after the last prophet Muhammed (pbuh)

* They deny the Holocaust.

when ?

I have to tell you, fug, your opinions are so obscured by anti-jew and anti-white conspiracyspeak that I don’t bother to read past the abuse to see them. You can try to label that as “not being into Israel” but it reads like hate speech to me. You might want to think about that. The fact is, I don’t know if you have anything worth listening to or engaging with or not because the text is so offensive that I can’t get past it to the subtext. If there is a subtext.

* They deny the Jamaat’s role as collaborators with Pakistan military in the genocide in 1971. And killings perpetarted by the al-Badr and al-Shams death-squads of JI.
* They deny the connections with those individuals and their counterparts in the East London Mosque.
* They excuse Maulana Maududi’s pogroms of Ahmadiyya Muslims.
* They deny the Holocaust.
* They are free and easy with the use of antisemitic language on this site.
* They deny the fascist ideology of the Hezbollah because this is *only* a picture of men exercising their right to free speech and the fascist overtones are just accidental.

My, you like the straw men, don’t you Sid? What if someone were to say they don’t agree with any of these points (I cannot speak for munir and fugstar), but still thought you were a fool for always lining up with David T and the racist HP lot when it came to Islam and Muslims? What if someone agreed with you on a number of things but thought you were stark raving mad to want to stop Mousawi but let Geert Wilders in? How about Sunny? He thinks you are a hypocrite on this one.

You hate Islamists. Fair enough, most people do. But why let this hatred blind you to the fact that you have taken an untenable, racist position on this issue of who can and cannot come to the UK to speak? White Wilders in. Brown/Muslim Mousawi out.

Stop trying to knock down the straw men you build up, Sid. Stick to the facts. (I expect a large amount of unsubstantiated abuse or ridicule from Sid in response, instead of any reasoned justification of his hypocritical position)

Is Hizbollah is fascist? arguable.

Is Lebanon outside the Western Christian cultural sphere? debatable.

Is fugstar a fascist? Absolutely.

There exist in the world societies that are genuinely structurally different, cultures with myths and symbols that struggle to be translated.

Thing is, if you are a fascist within a democratic capitalist western culturally Christian country, you don’t get to be a member of one of those culture by adopting one or two of their symbols like a totem.

Otherwise Hitler would have been an Indian.

lay down the boogie
and play that funky music til you die!

Arguments you use are best leveled at people a generation or so older than you. They hold no currency in this context as far as i can see. Whats amusing is when you try to re-scent your foul odour with anti-semitism perfume, which is really quite ameobic of you. That is why you are a Jionist, a bad imitation of a Zionist, your discourse is aligned with theirs.

Who is monolithic blocking you?

Err, you are. Because, generally I tend to agree with Sid, not you, and you flame his position as being christocentric. Which is a bit rich, considering I am an atheist. You do, accidentally I suppose, make my point for me.

I am not painting anyone anywhere as an image or reflection of me or the culture I live in. Did I not just say that I don’t know whether Hezbollah are fascist or not? Yes, I do believe I did.

I know it is really tough for you, and you probably think it makes you look cool in the playground, but attempting to bully people is really, really counterproductive. Quite what you meant by:

I know its hard, but you’ve got to try, though visiting the brown sahibs is not really intended to achieve that.

is beyond me.

‘Tis not me that is going around being a cheeky wee boy.

Your love of someone who spends his life blowing smoke up the arse of Islamists like you is even more instructive.

its a sellout tactic that should be publicised as one, not so any harm can visit the pitiful twisted individual, but so the anti-example can be seen. however in the close family scale, gosh those kids will cringe when they grown up.