sorry about the dodgy spelling.

I doubt anyone, well me really, would have the slightest issue with the US keeping prisoners of war in detention. It is their complete failure to extend the defenition of prisoners of war to people who may have simply been caught up in the war in terrorism. that makes me think that they are being ingenuous. That said, their policy of humiliation and torture is a spectacular own goal. Given that they couldn’t stick anything on the ‘Tipton Three’, suggests that here are other folk in Gotmo who are innocent.

I think that the US administration has lost the real plot, in term of winning hearts and minds, in exchange for a cheap ” Nam was Us, or don”t f**k with us mentality. The treatment of prisoners of war, for that is what they are if you believe in the ‘War on Terror’, ought to be controlled by the Geneva Convention. That fact that they won’t subscribe goves every conspiracy nut on the planet freedom to speculate. It is an erronious policy and it is, quite frankly, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Must one always address every injustice when condemning one? If I consider the situation in the Sudan to be vile and in need of condemnation, which I do, is that invalidated because I don’t simultaneously go into all the inconviences [moslems] face in Britain ‘? Rather a different order of inconvenience, wouldn’t you say?

Wouldn’t hold my breath Sunny.

Gitmo was created to win the hearts and minds of the US public. Traumatised and panicked after 9/11, I think they needed to have a signal that Boosh Inc was on top of the War on Trrrrsm.
When Boosh Inc falls, Gitmo wll have be dismantled too. And all it’ll be is an inglorious stain on an o/w stainlessly glorious presidency.

“I’m not sure how you distinguish those who accuse the perpetrators and those who are concerned for the victims. You seem to be suggesting (and I apologise if I have misread you) that concern over this atrocity must be considered as having an anti-islam biase.”

That is exactly what I am suggesting. Barbara didnt bring up crimes commited by those who arent Muslims. So long as Muslims are doing this in some country i.e. Sudan, then who cares about what inconviences they may face in Britain, Pakistan, Iraq, Cuban. Its very strange to me because one has nothing to do with the other, aside from them being Muslim.

Hey, no one is talking about Islam here, just Muslims.

Do you see why this strategy might not win “hearts and minds”? Though I expect you’re not really fussed about that…

I don’t know if she can be categorized as an infidel,(yet) but I believe UBL’s niece would be an excellent addition to your ‘infidel babe of the week’

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2005/12/24/wafa-bin-laden-decided-to-show-her-butt-and-sabbah-pays-for-it/

That’s just lazy, inaccurate nonsense.

Bikhair,

‘My cynicism is only when people are more concerned about those who perpetuate these terrible crimes (Arab Islamist from the North) and not the people who have to suffer these crimes, Darfurians, Southern Sudanese, Northern Ugandans, women and children of Central Africa. ‘

I’m not sure how you distinguish those who accuse the perpetrators and those who are concerned for the victims. You seem to be suggesting (and I apologise if I have misread you) that concern over this atrocity must be considered as having an anti-islam biase.

As for ‘nobody talks about’ I suggest you refer to Nick Cohen and Christopher Hitchens;

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/060109roco03

“And yet no one seems to be making films showing whats happening in Sudan to the Black Muslim and Chrisian population, being enslaved, raped bruned and murdered by the Arab Islamist north.”

So many books written about this issue with major calls for divestment by University Of California campuses across the state and by other Universities.

“Well that would cause gratuitous offense to our multicultural sensitivities. And if you did, you’d see Tony Blair’s storm troopers cracking heads and rounding up the producers at gunpoint.”

Right, which is why no one ever talks about what goes on in the Southern Sudan and Northern Ugandan border or Central African Congo Rebublic. Perhaps their arent enough Arabs of Islamist involved for their to be any real concern for the likes of you. My cynicism is only when people are more concerned about those who perpetuate these terrible crimes (Arab Islamist from the North) and not the people who have to suffer these crimes, Darfurians, Southern Sudanese, Northern Ugandans, women and children of Central Africa. And the list can go on and on.

I’ve got to ask what the connection is there between Western straglers in Afghanistan and the Sudanese government Barbara. I guess everyone needs their strawman.

Presumably that only applies to Western Jihadi’s who stayed on post the Soviet retreat.

Well that would cause gratuitous offense to our multicultural sensitivities.

No, it really wouldn’t. However, there are no realpolick reasons for intervening, and no compelling TV images to create a popular clamour to do so.

Barbara

“And yet no one seems to be making films showing whats happening in Sudan to the Black Muslim and Chrisian population, being enslaved, raped bruned and murdered by the Arab Islamist north.”

Well that would cause gratuitous offense to our multicultural sensitivities. And if you did, you’d see Tony Blair’s storm troopers cracking heads and rounding up the producers at gunpoint. Last year, at a Countryside Alliance rally against the ban on hunting, the fuzz attacked well-behaved, tweedy types in a manner that German cops back in 1936 would have envied.

And yet no one seems to be making films showing whats happening in Sudan to the Black Muslim and Chrisian population, being enslaved, raped bruned and murdered by the Arab Islamist north

Agreed, but that doesn’t mean Gitmo is a holiday camp, and the fact that people are even making such comparison (albeit, blindly) should give the USA some cause for concern. Either way that place should not exist.

“Goldfrapp is my favourite White Person of the moment. (Her music sucks in a big way).”

Whatever floats your boat. However, I prefer something a bit more duskier.

I agree these places are not Butlins, but I just don’t feel sorry for these people. I have met too many Islamofascists to care what happens to these hirsute savages. I would have my head sawed off if I was captured by these thugs. Moreover, I don’t agree with the argument that locking up potential terrorists is a step away from the death camps.

S’funny. Goldfrapp is my favourite White Person of the moment. (Her music sucks in a big way).

I won’t tolerate criticism of the NHS!!!

But seriously, Mike is right. Gitmo is a Club 18-30 holiday camp compared to practices of torture perpetrated by other totalitarian regimes he has not wasted time in comparing with.
Including Eastern European countries where, thanks to rendition of the extraordinary crimes and which have not qualiofied for the media circus of Gitmo, American and European countries (Italy, Poland etc) have transferred victims for real torture. Gitmo is a bad, but ultimately its a smokescreen for the real torture camps that are operating under the media radar highlighted by Craig Murray.