or happy just to snipe from the sidelines and play your language games, taking signals from all the wrong people and extrapolating your partial view of a person and his ideas to the unwashed blogerati?

You are nuts – you ignore my first two points then demand proof for something which if I produce it means Ill be an anti-semite

blah have you forgotten that during the Gaza conflict, you were posting comments here on PP under the names of munir, SE and various other pseudonymns? I haven’t. You and a bunch of other trolls were posting anti-semitic material that was so offensive and so heinous that Leon, Rumbold and myself were spending all our time deleting them from the site.

In other words, we covered your tracks for you so that you can look good now. So that you can cut and paste verses from the Quran and insinutate what a good Muslim you are and how spiritually superior you are to me. Do you have any scruples or any sense of shame?

There is no depth to your moral bankruptcy. You are a cowardly and amoral little wanker.

I’m talking unconditional, no-strings attached capacity and nation-building aid.

I’ll tell you – next to nothing. But they will make speeches in front of their countrymen claiming to be the spiritually pure Custodians of the Ummah.

That’s pure hypocricy.”

You are an idiot . Nobody seriously believes that the Muslim rulers give a damn about the Muslims.. they dont even care about the Muslims in their OWN country why should they care about others..they are just seen as what they are -western puppets. so your argument is totally false and an Aunt Sally.

Positing dictatorships as represntative of the true feelings of their people is pathethic Sid.

You are nuts – you ignore my first two points then demand proof for something which if I produce it means Ill be an anti-semite

“Inherent anti-semitism “? – what planet are you on?
Its the old “if you oppose Israelis atrocities youre an anti-semite” which even zionists wince at using. Not Sid though. Sid isnt Sunny and anti-semite then?

I mst also be inherently anti-Hindu since I oppose Indian rule in Kashmir, inherently anti-Buddhist as I oppose Burmas treatement of the Rohingays, inherently anti-Russian/Orthodox because I support the Chechens, etc etc

And you must be inherently anti-Muslim as you support the Bengali war of Independence against Pakistan.

You fail to address my point about the numerous Arabs who went to Afghanistan and Kashmir to fight for the Muslims there. How many Asian Muslims have gone to fight for Palestine? And Im not aware of Arab Muslims slaughtering Indian Muslims in great numbers as Hindus have – are you?

“No blah, my point is this: Hezbollah has no symapatico for the plight of Muslim Southasians but you’ve based your religious-political ideology on their existence. Kind of sad, isn’t it?”

Riiiight so your suggesting Muslims fellow feelings with Muslims only exists because of Hizbollah not because the Muslims of Lebanon are fighting the invaders of their land or its part of the Muslim religion- what Fadlalla has or hasnt said is an irrelevance.You also ignore the fact that Hizbollah as a fighting force wouldnt exist without the Israeli invasion of 1982. No Israeli invasion-no Hezbollah.

My “religious-political ideaology” (sic) is what Islam teaches
Namely the Quran and the sayings of the Prophet (sallAllahu alayhi wasalaam)

“And verily this Ummah (nation) of yours is a single ummah and I am your Lord and Cherisher: Therefore Fear Me (and no other).”
Quran 23:53

Or the sayings of the Prophet (sallAllahu alayhi wasalaam)

“The believers, in their love, mutual kindness, and close ties, are like one body; when any part complains, the whole body responds to it with wakefulness and fever.” [Muslim], “The faithful are like one man: if his eyes suffers, his whole body suffers.” [Muslim]
“The Faithful are to one another like [parts of] a building – each part strengthening the others” and

“Every Muslim is a brother to a Muslim, neither wronging him nor allowing him to be wronged. And if anyone helps his brother in need, Allah will help him in his own need; and if anyone removes a calamity from [another] Muslim, Allah will remove from him some of the calamities of the Day of Resurrection; and if anyone shields [another] Muslim from disgrace, Allah will shield him from the disgrace on the Day of Resurrection.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of `Abd Allah ibn `Umar].

You do believe these dont you?

In any case your argument is strange – its like saying because some Muslims are doing what they should be other Muslims who are should also neglect it.

Yes they were very brave but I’d not talking about the odd individual nutter.

How much money and effort did the Saudi and Gulf Kingdoms run by the plutocrats and the playboys in the Royal families put in to rebuild Afghanistan? hmmmm?

I’m talking unconditional, no-strings attached capacity and nation-building aid.

I’ll tell you – next to nothing. But they will make speeches in front of their countrymen claiming to be the spiritually pure Custodians of the Ummah.

That’s pure hypocricy.

If anything, I am blaming Mousawi for endangering the welfare of Muslims by promulgating an ideology of hatred and Jew-bating. Like his mentor, the ridiculously stupid Grand Ayatollah Fadhlallah, he justifies and urges Muslims to go out and kill themselves while living the life of a spiritual and social elite.

There you go again Sid blaming the Muslims. If some idiot attacks Muslims because of hearing something from other Muslims they dont like that is that persons fault solely. Imagine if someone blamed attacks on British Jews on Israels actions in Gaza rather than on the attackers themselves.

“In other words, who exactly is going to get it in the neck when a Muslim leader stands up and decontextualises to young British Muslims in lecture rooms in this country, why killing Jews is Islamically legal? Not Mousawi, I am pretty sure.”

Which Muslim leader would say such a thing? And you seem to have brought the frankly racist notion that Muslims are like sheep who will believe whatever they are told.

And your using the emotive “Jews” is straight out of the zionist copybook. Oh my God its 1930s/40s again- Never again!

You are essentially saying what extreme zionists say ; that uniquely the Lebanese/Palestinians have no right to fight against those who have stolen their land/occupiers because those theieves/occupiers are Jewish (never mind that the Israeli army also has Arabs in it who the Lebanese/Palestinains dont refrain from fighting). This argument is actually anti-semitic as it suggests Jewish criminals should be treated more leniently than non-Jewish as if such behavious was somehow to be expected.

Using this logic anyone who tried to get money back from Bernie Maddoff would be an anti-semite. Anyone who had been wronged by a black person who sought redress would be a racist, since blacks have suffered terribly in the past, etc.

Extreme zionist say this because they are supremacists who genuinely believe that Jewish life is more valuable than non-Jewish. Why do you say it?

Pure Alice in fucking Wonderland. And you of course know that Fadhlallah has. Do post a link to a fatwa or even a position piece by the Hezbollah on the plight of Southasian Muslims. I have a feeling you won’t but I could be wrong. If anything, it will be a great justification of your inherent anti-semitism.

And Im not talking about those doing the killing and raping. Your condemning Arabs for Gujurat while ignoring the Hinduvata murderers who actually perpetrated the atrcoities is symptomatic of your deep anti-Arab hatred.

No blah, my point is this: Hezbollah has no symapatico for the plight of Muslim Southasians but you’ve based your religious-political ideology on their existence. Kind of sad, isn’t it?

1) Muslims should support the cause of anyone opressed Muslim or non Muslim- the people of Lebanon fighting Israeli invasion certainly belong in that category

2)It is part of the Muslim religion to have feeling for fellow Muslims and their suffering regardless of their colour or language or sect. this is one of the beauties of Islam which your “south asian” construction ignores.
If some Muslims are failing in this that is no reason for Muslims in Indian subcontinent to do so.

3) You of course knowing Arabic and having exhaustive knowledge of Fadlallahs speeches know for a fact he has never spoken up for Indian Muslims

4) People like you who whine all day about how the Arabs dont care for Asian Muslims will condemn with the strongest adjectives Arabs who came to Afghanistan and Kashmir to fight for the Muslims there against the Russian and Indian occupations. Pure hypocrisy.

5) Since you are a promoted of South Asianess (well except when it comes to Pakistan and Bangladesh) why dont you ask the far more pertinent question- where the fvck were the Hindu groups when Gujurat was happening

And Im not talking about those doing the killing and raping. Your condemning Arabs for Gujurat while ignoring the Hinduvata murderers who actually perpetrated the atrcoities is symptomatic of your deep anti-Arab hatred.

BTW I have never ever met a religious Arab (not secular nationalists like you) who didnt have deep sympathy for Muslims suffering in India and elsewhere.

Regarding the topic at hand, it’s interesting to see the lack of comments suggesting that we should let him in and debate with him about his views hence making him look foolish, as was suggested with Wilders.

I don’t know who this guy is, but if he is here in Britain to stir between communities and spread hate, then he should be refused entry.

I think he is more fadhlallatic than ummahtic, to use your strange, retarded parlance.

But if you have any indication of Hizbullah’s solidarity with the Muslims of Gujarat or Rohingya, then show us. Get with the program and link it up dude. Give us a concrete example instead of faith-based fairy tails and prove me wrong.

But I think you will find that being a Southasian muslim fanboy of the Hizbullah is unreciprocated from the the Hizbullah side.

But no one is stopping you accepting the Hizbullah thesis of adopting anti-semitism as the cornerstone of your religious belief. But don’t blame others for this modernist deformity you proudly wear like a badge of honour.

but him ‘not giving toss’ is an assumption thats telling about your own angst about ‘ummahtic nonreciprocal relations’ and strawman ummahtism 1.0.

get with the programme?

refresh are you a bro?

I believe we need to distinguish cultural nationalism from racial nationalism. Neo-nazi parties clearly focus on racial nationalism – I am not entirely sure Vlaams Belang belongs to that category. In their wikipedia page, it says they are not against multi-ethnic immigration, they are just against multiculturism and favor assimilation.”

Your whitewashing Vlaams Blok/Belang is astonishing. VB actually want to prohibit the practice of Islam in Europe and expell all its Muslims (to where who knows?). This probably gives you a boner.

“Neirynck’s fable seems alarmist and alien; but it is undeniable that the far right continues to gain ground in Belgium, where Turkish and Maghrebian immigrants, joined by a substantial convert community, provide a convenient lightning-rod for the insecurities of Belgians of all social classes, unnerved by unemployment, globalisation, political corruption, and the visibility of the non-Christian Other. The far-right Vlaams-Blok, the leading Flemish nationalist party, described by Stephen Fisher of Oxford’s Nuffield College, as ‘the most blatantly racist and xenophobic of the extreme-right parties in Western Europe’, has grown in strength from 1.3% of the electorate in 1984 to 14.8% in 1999, and has become the largest Flemish party in Brussels, and also in Antwerp, where it has gained control of the municipality. Vlaams-Blok politicians have not been reluctant to identify Muslims as the new threat. Filip De Winter, the party’s former leader, has called for the ‘hermetic closure’ of Belgium’s borders, and anticipates ‘the return of all immigrants, without exception, to their countries of origin.’ This is to be accomplished by the progressive deprivation of state benefits and citizenship rights, and the creation of specific immigrant areas with the cities to improve levels of surveillance. Islam itself is to be prohibited, ‘because this religion is anti-Belgian and anti-European.’ [6]”

http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/right.htm

Mousawi’s PhD dissertation was called “Compatibility between Islam and democracy; Shiism and democracy under Wilayat Al-Faqih, Iran as a case study”.

Would love to get hold of that. I would really like to know what his treatment of Abd al-Raziq’s “al-Islam wa ‘Usul al-Hukm is, if any. Published in 1925 Abd al-Raziq asserted that Islam was a religion and not a state, a message not a government, a spiritual edifice not a political institution. The publication of his thesis led to his defrocking and the banning of his work by the Ulema (community of scholars) of Al Azhar university.

Like I said, Mousawi is not a transnational jihadist. I don’t think he even claims Hezbollah’s offerng for the political problems of Muslims around the world is Global Jihad and Khilafa. He doesn’t give a toss about Muslims in Southasia, his extremism seems to based exclusively on the incitement of the hatred of Jews on a state propaganda level.

Which Muslims like Refresh and fug and munir seem to have swallowed hook line and sinker.

you can tell what people are about by what they exert themselves over. and Dr Ibrahim has spend several years studying islam and democracy, with iran as its case study.

israel, the great jewish supremacist exclusivist lie, is not at the center of his universe. stop trying to making it, you broken record player. general muslim attitude is that israel should be supersceded asap. except yours, no doubt youll send your unfortunate kids to a kibbutz…

clearly sid knows about as much about hezbolla’s relations for muslims near and distant to it, as he does of his own ugliness of mind body and soul.

I suspect Fug has already called Sid a ‘Protool of MEMRI’.