too often, and shamefully so, the education system is required to adapt to the prevailing pop political slogan of the day. got a social problem? stick something in the curriculum and it will be solved!

i beleive in the right to create education and that variety breeds further creativity. education is reproductive of the values and philosophy you run through it. Somewhat resembling Noah’s Ark, the UK hosts hundreds of different knowledge cultures, very few of which express themselves actively in the field of education.

ive seen enough incompetance in the state and elite sector for the ‘institutional incapacity’ argument to be irrelavent.

somali muslims? i dont know, would have to ask relavent educationalists. if the dominating paradigm of white studies renders my identities weak and invisible im going to venture out on my own.

I think state schooling is cumbersome. too many talented graduates are rendered invalid by the strictures of the national curriculum and too many untalented graduates are trained to provide a ‘Banking education’

Certainly rattled your cage haven’t I. Once again people will either simply not read what is written, or do, and then filter it through their own prejudices.

Bullshit, you’re a troll and a waste of fucking space.

or are you of the ‘you are radicalising them by letting them know this’ hocus pocus.”

I’m not really sure. I have a 13 year old (white) niece who goes to a Lambeth (South London) comprehensive, and I was just wondering how it would be if you were to seperate out people acording to their race. Would kids of Somalian Muslim background fit the ”all-black” criteria? (”Of course”, you’d imagine, but what about mixed race youngsters who had been brought up in a white family? Get them in touch with their Africaness? (and downplay their Englishness?)
When I drive past highschools as the kids come out in the afternoon (like I just did today in London), I can’t imagine why you’d start splitting people up on race lines. Especially when the schools have kids from just about everwhere on earth.

Fug, this website seems to move on quite quickly, and after about three days, if you haven’t made your point in it’s entirety, then things will have moved on to the next subject. Which is a pity I think, as it can take that long for some people to just get started.

For example, this article in Spiked-online COULD be just the beginning of a conversation.
It struck me as being significant anyway:

”Chaining black youth to the victim culture.
Are the commemorations of the abolition of the slave trade helping to foster fatalism amongst young black Britons?”
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3002/

And I found this from ‘billericaydicky’ to be interesting too. I remember the name of Blair Peach …. and I didn’t know (but might have guessed) that there was sectarian SWP/ANL politics involved in what happened back then. That Lee Jasper had something to say about this, sounds about right.
I don’t know any detail, I just mean, that it sounds like the sort of thing Lee Jasper would be involved in, (from hearing him being interviewed in recent years).
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:j3dzH81XAOgJ:www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1916+blair+peach+lee+jasper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

Certainly rattled your cage haven’t I. Once again people will either simply not read what is written, or do, and then filter it through their own prejudices.

What I was trying to get across is that because someone writes for the Mail or the Standard doesn’t make eveything they say wrong. That is a mantra of the Marxist left. There are certain things that the left hold as holy writ and anyone who disagrees is fascist/racist/New Labour you could go on and on. The same thinking seems to exist on PP.

I would describe myself as Left Libertarian. I am oppoesed to racism and facism of all kinds, for the Welfare State of which I was on of the first beneficiaries being born in 1946. I believe in the rule of law and think that it has been serially abused by New Labour.

I am also utterly opposed to the Race Relations Industry in all its forms and am happy that it is being rolled back as all it has done is feather nests of a corrupt elite and fuel the BNP as white people saw, quite correctly, that it was anti them. I believe in a level playing field, not as in the case of so called “positive discrimination” the playing field being tipped against white people.

I could go on but I hope that people get the drift. Never accept any kind of orthodoxy,always question what is being said and make your own judgements and be your own person. The herd mentality leads to dictatorships be they left/right or racial.

Anyway as this all started with Gilligan, what has he said about Jasper and cronies that is wrong? Can anyone answer that for me?

Sunny,

I’ll give you a conducted tour of the East End if you like, I know its history as I helped make some of the recent stuff.

Coming up soon is the anniversary of the death of Blair Peach killed by the Mets Special Patrol Group in April 1979 when we were opposing a National Front march through Southall. I was a friend of his and was out on the day. I might have even been the last person to have spoken to him before the cops attacked us.

A group of us are getting together to remember him and keen to get in touch with people from West London who were involved in the events that led to his death and the aftermath. We can be contacted on Southall79@googlemail.com.

For the twentieth anniversary Lee Jasper and the National Assembly Against Racism were asked to get involved but Lee Jasper personally refused on the grounds that Blairwas white and was racist “even if he didn’t know it”, how sick can you get?

I just thought I would let you all know that is the man who is apparently being hounded by Gilligan and defended by a lot of people out there.

Leon,

Grow up son.

Go fuck yourself.

folks should probably not bring her up anymore.

(metaphorical) death by silencing.

has…..Melanie Phillips…..ever said anything that was untrue.

One notable example is the fact that in an article in the Daily Mail after the terrorist attack on Mumbai last November, she falsely claimed that the terrorists were deliberately identifying Muslims amongst the population they were targetting so that they would avoid killing the latter.

In reality, the firing was indiscriminate, and Muslim inhabitants of Mumbai were amongst the casualties.

You still haven’t explained which bit of her philosophy you like. Or was it all of it?

Grow up son.

Sunny,

When can I buy you that meal down Brick Lane, I’ll see if I can get Andrew Gilligan to come along.

Billydickie is well known for trolling, trying to derail and generally talking out of his arse on here. Any attitude he gets is well deserved.

Sunny boy, I don’t just know a few people in the East End I know a lot and I have a lot of credibility down Brick Lane. If you like I will buy you a meal in one of the restaurants I own. White men can invest in property there if they are clever and rich enough.

I am still waiting for a rebuttal of what I have said.

“Just because you know a few brown ppl in the east end doesn’t give you much credibility you know. There’s no need to remind us everytime.”

A bit harsh .. i think that comment to me was innocent enough.

Hoping that’s the end of this bit of the thread – the personal bits.

Sorry, what was that about Alan Sugar again?

Bill you still haven’t told us what’s so great about Mel Phillips that the left you claim to be part of should listen to. Just because you know a few brown ppl in the east end doesn’t give you much credibility you know. There’s no need to remind us everytime.

Marvin, sweetie, I’d check up how many copies the ES gives away before throwing that stat out

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/davehillblog/2009/mar/05/london-evening-standard

I’ll soon be posting an update, by the way, relating how someone in the office looked through the Guardian archive and “within a minute” found a piece written by me for the paper in 1985. Seems the Standard didn’t do its research very well on that point – or any of the others. As you say, dicky, there was indeed a perfectly simple explanation for those interested in finding one. Kiss, kiss.

I think you demonise Lee Jasper too much. Why all the rancour? he’s useful. Some PPers were complicit in the political smearing of Lee Jasper and should be luddy ashamed of themselves for playing a small role in the election of Boris.

The “stolen and sold out of africa” lyric is true a lot of the time and it frames social historical identity issues.

or are you of the ‘you are radicalising them by letting them know this’ hocus pocus.

Policy pressure of the black community predated that on the Muslim ones by a decade or so right?

I admit that Ken probably needs to think about PR a bit more seriously like other politicians do – and yes, perhaps his openness to diversity gives fodder to the BNP and people looking to resent others seemingly taking their fair share of the cake. I say seemingly as much is in the perception of others. Anyway, I am a supporter of Ken Livingstone, he, like all of us, could do things differently and improve on many areas, but better him than many others I can think of at the moment

I also don’t see the point of witch hunting individuals beyond outing them. If money has disappeared, and I don’t know the ins and outs, we might need to work harder to clean the system. Unless we do this, another situation will arise – and it’s everyone’s money – tax-payers money – that is.

( will write you an email on Blood on the Streets…most likely guilty!)

Yup.