Lee Jasper hits back at Andrew Gilligan


by Sunny
7th March, 2009 at 2:01 am    

Andrew Gilligan has written an article in the Evening Standard titled: ‘Change the record, Ken – and we might listen to you again‘. I doubt a journalist so intent on smearing Ken can be taken seriously on that claim, especially when Gilligan doesn’t actually do serious journalism. If he did, we might listen.

Anyway, I say this because Gilligan is still on that mission. Yesterday he wrote a story on the continuing case against Lee Jasper. I’m no fan of Jasper, as regular readers know, but I am definitely against politically motivated smear attempts. Gilligan calls them “friends” of Lee Jasper. But as this letter obtained by Dave Hill shows, these people are anything but. Andrew Gilligan once again shown to be a shit journalist.


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  1. Leon — on 7th March, 2009 at 2:27 am  

    Andrew Gilligan’s got a really weird fixation with Livingstone and even though his chosen candidate won (and a whole year later) he still can’t move on.

    Very odd character indeed…

  2. cjcjc — on 7th March, 2009 at 3:59 am  

    And Sunny has a really weird fixation with Gilligan…!

    I do agree though that both of them should have moved on.

  3. Golam Murtaza — on 7th March, 2009 at 7:30 am  

    No Sunny, DON’T move on yet. Don’t let Gilligan off the hook.

  4. halima — on 7th March, 2009 at 8:32 am  

    I am inclined to think don’t give Andrew Gilligan any airtime, because he clearly craves it, but tend to agree he shouldn’t be let off the hook . Good on you, Sunny, for keeping the scrutiny on Gilligan.

  5. Sunny — on 7th March, 2009 at 9:05 am  

    And Sunny has a really weird fixation with Gilligan…!

    Thats because AG still torments us, while Livingstone has gone.

  6. billericaydicky — on 7th March, 2009 at 10:03 am  

    Halima,

    Your name came up the other day because I was looking for my copy of “Blood On The Streets” and Clare thinks I lent it to you. Did I and is it with you or in London?

    Well this is interesting! Let’s look at the evidence as Lloyd Grossman says. First of all Dave Hill. There was an interesting little piece in the Satndard’s Diary about him during the week, yes that paper again but it doesn’t mean it’s untrue.

    It seems that in his biog he claims to have been a contributor to the Guardian from the eighties, I think that was the claim, but the Standard researcher could find nothing prior to his current partner being appointed to some senior executive position. I am sure there is a perfectly simple explanation for this which in the fullness of time he will be sharing with us!

    Dave is however a committed “Guardianista” which brings with it certain ideological baggage which, whatever the facts of any situation, must always prevail over reality. As they say in journalism, never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

    Extracts from the creed are that anything that is said against Ken Livingstone is a lie/smear/innuendo.

    Anything which appears in the Standard/Mail is any/all of the above.

    Boris intends to herd all ethnic minorities into ghettos until they can be deported to their countries of origen.

    The whole thing was a conspiracy by capitalism/the security services/the masons/the illuminati/ and was revealed in the Protocols of The Elders of Zion.

    I think you all get the drift. What nobody is asking, at least from the Livingstone camp, is where did the money go, all three and a half million quid of it? Can anyone answer that?

    This latest tirade, seemingly being promoted by Hill, is because Gilligan reported that some papers have been sent to the CPS. Maybe the info was leaked and shouldn’t have been but that doesn’t change the fact of whether it is true or not. One of Jasper’s defences on his now defunct web site was that he wanted to sue the Standard but didn’t have the money. Load of crap, the GLA could have sued as the allegations showed gross incompetency verging on criminal negligence.

    He now claims to be saying that he hardly knew any of the people concerned but as far as I know this is the first time since the allegations first surfaced in December 2007 that he has claimed this. The word crony has been used many times before.

    No one goes out to bat in the way he did for people he claims he hardly knew. What Livingstone and the rest cannot accept is that they are history and will, hopefully, never be employed at the expense of the public purse.

    What I think people should also wake up to is the votes that the whole affair gave to the BNP. One of the reasons Livingstone lost was that he was perceived as being anti white and favouring minorities.

    I was out in a pub on some anti BNP stuff where London meets Essex early one evening when Livingstone came on the telly apologising for slavery on behalf of Londoners and crying his crocodile tears. The pub went ballistic with the telly having to be turned off in case it was smashed.

    I sat there and thought “Ken you’ve lost”. These were the much maligned white van men and Essex girls and chavs who had voted for him through the GLC and two tems as Mayor and he had now lost them and Labour has for at least a generation.

    I wouldn’t read too much into this, Bro Lee has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer and has never been able to take the advice my old anti fascist mate and fellow bricklayer Terry Fitzpatrick gave him years ago. Always engage brain before opening mouth.

  7. Laban Tall — on 7th March, 2009 at 10:16 am  

    “I am definitely against politically motivated smear attempts”

    Trouble is, it’s in the eye of the beholder. Any attack on a political figure can be so interpreted, as Sunny shows us.

    “Brave journalist speaking truth to power and holding politicians to account” – that’s Andrew Gilligan when he’s on the BBC attacking Blair/Campbell re Iraq war.

    “politically motivated smear attempts” – that’s Andrew Gilligan if he’s in the Standard attacking Ken and Lee Jasper.

  8. billericaydicky — on 7th March, 2009 at 11:35 am  

    Nice one Laban Tall!

  9. marvin — on 7th March, 2009 at 11:47 am  

    Good comment billericaydicky. Ken’s an utter prick who sides idolises socialist dictators, was completely focussed on urban inner city at the expense of everyone else in the London area, obsessed with class war, and made sweet love with hateful antisemitic and gay bashing clerics. And the hubris of this man. He has never apologised for anything. Even when he brings up the holocaust with Jewish people and says they’re like the concentration camp guard because they don’t align with politically. He says a black man, Trevor Phillips, should join the BNP, again, because he doesn’t align politically with El Presidente Ken.

    The Guardianistsa were furious with Boris for the assisted departure of Ian Blair. Those same people who were furious with Ian Blair after the De Menzes incident, who called for his sacking. And the same Ian Blair accused of institutional racism under his command. Ian Blair WAS an unabated New Labourite. And then the gall of the Guardianistas to scream at Boris for politicising the police force!!

    We’re all soooo glad to see the back of this odious figure and that Boris is in to save the day.

    Move On. As was one of the Obama campaign slogans.

    Extracts from the creed are that anything that is said against Ken Livingstone is a lie/smear/innuendo.

    Anything which appears in the Standard/Mail is any/all of the above.

    Absolutely. They can give it out, but they certainly can’t take it.

    All Ken does nowadays is smear Boris in any way shape or form. But that’s ok, because the Guardinistas see it as legitimate warfare. When the other side defend themselves by biting back, it’s a terrible lying smear!!!

    Move On.

  10. damon — on 7th March, 2009 at 12:39 pm  

    My best understanding of Lee Jasper is from listening to him on the radio a half a dozen times.
    I never took to him, and he seems to have an outlook too close to Jessie Jackson’s ”Rainbow” politics for my liking.
    Rainbow politics has a tendency to become Pork Barrel politics from the way I see it.

    Diversity is great, but (as Boris Johnson’s director of policy, arts and culture – Munira Mirza said) ”Diversity is divisive”.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/nov/21/diversityhasbecomedivisive
    Well it can be when it’s funded by the likes of Livingstone and Jasper, and they give money to groups like Brixton Base, who held workshops that focused on slavery and racism (and concepts like ”Post traumatic slave syndrome”).

    And Jasper supports all black schools.

  11. MaidMarian — on 7th March, 2009 at 12:49 pm  

    The problem with Gilligan is that he writes for the Evening Standard – a paper that really should be published with perforations and on paper that is soft, strong and absorbent.

    No one outside of Z1-3 on the TfL map cares less about it. The problem comes when it hits the desk of politicians in London 5 times a day or whatever. This gives the ES and its hacks a wildly inflated sense of their own import.

    Ignore the ES – the rest of the country does.

  12. fug — on 7th March, 2009 at 1:00 pm  

    i think theres a big need for all black schooling in this country’s educational mix. especially ones like this http://www.idea.gov.uk/idk/core/page.do?pageId=8130397

    i dont know why you ‘progs’ are so backward over this.

  13. marvin — on 7th March, 2009 at 1:04 pm  

    Ignore the ES – the rest of the country does.

    The Guardian has a readership of 358,000. Nationally very few people actually read it. But I can’t just simply ignore the self-important crap it writes. Reading the paper you’d think it as THE paper everybody reads.

    The ES has a readership of 263,000. And it’s only a local paper. That’s not figuring it’s very popular little cousin, the London Lite.

    And of course Jasper is a race obssesed nutter. I don’t see how Jasper can bolster anybody’s case!

  14. marvin — on 7th March, 2009 at 1:05 pm  

    All black schools?

    Ok what about all white schools for inner city ares? White pupils are scoring lower than Asian or Chinese pupils.

    What could possibly go wrong.

  15. damon — on 7th March, 2009 at 1:32 pm  

    fug says: ”i dont know why you ‘progs’ are so backward over this.”

    I’m not really so worried about a school’s ethnic makeup, but like with independent religious schools, I might be somewhat concerned about what the ethos of such schools was. I have heard enough Afrocentrics on Dotun Adebayo’s sunday evening radio programme to have some concerns about the people who might be running such schools. Telling black kids that they were ”stolen from Africa” and that this was not their real home and such hocus pocus. (I’m not making this up, I listen to it every week).

    But sure, the Boyhood to Manhood foundation sounds pretty good.
    Although a lot of ‘progs’ hate this guy (John McWhorter) – I think he’s very interesting, and he doesn’t have a problem with all-black schools, but says this:

    ”If Black History Month is to play any meaningful part in black advancement, we should emphasize the positive communal experiences rather than the spirit-crushing setbacks.”
    http://www.blackpast.org/?q=perspectives/john-mcwhorter-celebrate-triumph-ordinary-black-americans

    Lee Jasper would (I bet) call him an uncle Tom (or a coconut).

  16. marvin — on 7th March, 2009 at 2:04 pm  

    And Laban scores!

  17. halima — on 7th March, 2009 at 3:07 pm  

    “Ignore the ES – the rest of the country does.”

    Yup.

  18. halima — on 7th March, 2009 at 3:19 pm  

    billericaydicky

    I admit that Ken probably needs to think about PR a bit more seriously like other politicians do – and yes, perhaps his openness to diversity gives fodder to the BNP and people looking to resent others seemingly taking their fair share of the cake. I say seemingly as much is in the perception of others. Anyway, I am a supporter of Ken Livingstone, he, like all of us, could do things differently and improve on many areas, but better him than many others I can think of at the moment

    I also don’t see the point of witch hunting individuals beyond outing them. If money has disappeared, and I don’t know the ins and outs, we might need to work harder to clean the system. Unless we do this, another situation will arise – and it’s everyone’s money – tax-payers money – that is.

    ( will write you an email on Blood on the Streets…most likely guilty!)

  19. fug — on 7th March, 2009 at 3:22 pm  

    I beleive its very important to address dignity and pride in education. Its crucial to have teacher’s who you can respect and who know where you are coming from. Some deep problems cannot be addressed by generalised mush teachers.

    I think you demonise Lee Jasper too much. Why all the rancour? he’s useful. Some PPers were complicit in the political smearing of Lee Jasper and should be luddy ashamed of themselves for playing a small role in the election of Boris.

    The “stolen and sold out of africa” lyric is true a lot of the time and it frames social historical identity issues.

    or are you of the ‘you are radicalising them by letting them know this’ hocus pocus.

    Policy pressure of the black community predated that on the Muslim ones by a decade or so right?

  20. DaveHill — on 7th March, 2009 at 5:02 pm  

    I invite billericaydicky to read this.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/davehillblog/2009/mar/05/london-evening-standard

    I’ll soon be posting an update, by the way, relating how someone in the office looked through the Guardian archive and “within a minute” found a piece written by me for the paper in 1985. Seems the Standard didn’t do its research very well on that point – or any of the others. As you say, dicky, there was indeed a perfectly simple explanation for those interested in finding one. Kiss, kiss.

  21. Sunny — on 7th March, 2009 at 5:32 pm  

    Well Bill, from going to praising Melanie phillips to regurgitating smears by Evening Boris just because someone dares to point how shit Andrew Gilligans journalism is

    Sorry, what was that about Alan Sugar again?

    Bill you still haven’t told us what’s so great about Mel Phillips that the left you claim to be part of should listen to. Just because you know a few brown ppl in the east end doesn’t give you much credibility you know. There’s no need to remind us everytime.

    Marvin, sweetie, I’d check up how many copies the ES gives away before throwing that stat out

  22. halima — on 7th March, 2009 at 5:41 pm  

    Sunny

    “Just because you know a few brown ppl in the east end doesn’t give you much credibility you know. There’s no need to remind us everytime.”

    A bit harsh .. i think that comment to me was innocent enough.

    Hoping that’s the end of this bit of the thread – the personal bits.

  23. billaricaydickey — on 7th March, 2009 at 6:59 pm  

    Well was it in 1983 or 1985 and has either Melanie Phillips or Andrew Gilligan ever said anything that was untrue.

    Sunny boy, I don’t just know a few people in the East End I know a lot and I have a lot of credibility down Brick Lane. If you like I will buy you a meal in one of the restaurants I own. White men can invest in property there if they are clever and rich enough.

    I am still waiting for a rebuttal of what I have said.

  24. Leon — on 8th March, 2009 at 1:02 am  

    Halima,

    Billydickie is well known for trolling, trying to derail and generally talking out of his arse on here. Any attitude he gets is well deserved.

  25. billericaydicky — on 8th March, 2009 at 10:32 am  

    Leon,

    Grow up son.

    Sunny,

    When can I buy you that meal down Brick Lane, I’ll see if I can get Andrew Gilligan to come along.

  26. Sunny — on 8th March, 2009 at 8:26 pm  

    No meal necessary to prove your credentials. What I want to know is how anyone can claim to be a leftie and say she has been right for 20 yrs.

    You still haven’t explained which bit of her philosophy you like. Or was it all of it?

  27. Jai — on 8th March, 2009 at 9:05 pm  

    has…..Melanie Phillips…..ever said anything that was untrue.

    One notable example is the fact that in an article in the Daily Mail after the terrorist attack on Mumbai last November, she falsely claimed that the terrorists were deliberately identifying Muslims amongst the population they were targetting so that they would avoid killing the latter.

    In reality, the firing was indiscriminate, and Muslim inhabitants of Mumbai were amongst the casualties.

  28. fug — on 8th March, 2009 at 9:51 pm  

    Phillips needs to be put under an xray microscope. she may have been interesting in the 1970s but now she’s past it and has followed that familiar political age track.

    folks should probably not bring her up anymore.

    (metaphorical) death by silencing.

  29. Sunny — on 8th March, 2009 at 10:44 pm  

    Oh and don’t forget the rubbish she peddles on MMR. How anyone takes her seriously is beyond me. Perhaps that’s why all bill does here is troll rather than justify anything.

  30. Leon — on 9th March, 2009 at 1:13 am  

    Leon,

    Grow up son.

    Go fuck yourself.

  31. billericaydicky — on 9th March, 2009 at 5:15 am  

    Leon,

    Certainly rattled your cage haven’t I. Once again people will either simply not read what is written, or do, and then filter it through their own prejudices.

    What I was trying to get across is that because someone writes for the Mail or the Standard doesn’t make eveything they say wrong. That is a mantra of the Marxist left. There are certain things that the left hold as holy writ and anyone who disagrees is fascist/racist/New Labour you could go on and on. The same thinking seems to exist on PP.

    I would describe myself as Left Libertarian. I am oppoesed to racism and facism of all kinds, for the Welfare State of which I was on of the first beneficiaries being born in 1946. I believe in the rule of law and think that it has been serially abused by New Labour.

    I am also utterly opposed to the Race Relations Industry in all its forms and am happy that it is being rolled back as all it has done is feather nests of a corrupt elite and fuel the BNP as white people saw, quite correctly, that it was anti them. I believe in a level playing field, not as in the case of so called “positive discrimination” the playing field being tipped against white people.

    I could go on but I hope that people get the drift. Never accept any kind of orthodoxy,always question what is being said and make your own judgements and be your own person. The herd mentality leads to dictatorships be they left/right or racial.

    Anyway as this all started with Gilligan, what has he said about Jasper and cronies that is wrong? Can anyone answer that for me?

    Sunny,

    I’ll give you a conducted tour of the East End if you like, I know its history as I helped make some of the recent stuff.

    Coming up soon is the anniversary of the death of Blair Peach killed by the Mets Special Patrol Group in April 1979 when we were opposing a National Front march through Southall. I was a friend of his and was out on the day. I might have even been the last person to have spoken to him before the cops attacked us.

    A group of us are getting together to remember him and keen to get in touch with people from West London who were involved in the events that led to his death and the aftermath. We can be contacted on Southall79@googlemail.com.

    For the twentieth anniversary Lee Jasper and the National Assembly Against Racism were asked to get involved but Lee Jasper personally refused on the grounds that Blairwas white and was racist “even if he didn’t know it”, how sick can you get?

    I just thought I would let you all know that is the man who is apparently being hounded by Gilligan and defended by a lot of people out there.

  32. damon — on 9th March, 2009 at 5:42 pm  

    Fug said: ”The “stolen and sold out of africa” lyric is true a lot of the time and it frames social historical identity issues.

    or are you of the ‘you are radicalising them by letting them know this’ hocus pocus.”

    I’m not really sure. I have a 13 year old (white) niece who goes to a Lambeth (South London) comprehensive, and I was just wondering how it would be if you were to seperate out people acording to their race. Would kids of Somalian Muslim background fit the ”all-black” criteria? (”Of course”, you’d imagine, but what about mixed race youngsters who had been brought up in a white family? Get them in touch with their Africaness? (and downplay their Englishness?)
    When I drive past highschools as the kids come out in the afternoon (like I just did today in London), I can’t imagine why you’d start splitting people up on race lines. Especially when the schools have kids from just about everwhere on earth.

    Fug, this website seems to move on quite quickly, and after about three days, if you haven’t made your point in it’s entirety, then things will have moved on to the next subject. Which is a pity I think, as it can take that long for some people to just get started.

    For example, this article in Spiked-online COULD be just the beginning of a conversation.
    It struck me as being significant anyway:

    ”Chaining black youth to the victim culture.
    Are the commemorations of the abolition of the slave trade helping to foster fatalism amongst young black Britons?”
    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/3002/

    And I found this from ‘billericaydicky’ to be interesting too. I remember the name of Blair Peach …. and I didn’t know (but might have guessed) that there was sectarian SWP/ANL politics involved in what happened back then. That Lee Jasper had something to say about this, sounds about right.
    I don’t know any detail, I just mean, that it sounds like the sort of thing Lee Jasper would be involved in, (from hearing him being interviewed in recent years).
    http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:j3dzH81XAOgJ:www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1916+blair+peach+lee+jasper&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk

  33. Leon — on 10th March, 2009 at 2:14 am  

    Certainly rattled your cage haven’t I. Once again people will either simply not read what is written, or do, and then filter it through their own prejudices.

    Bullshit, you’re a troll and a waste of fucking space.

  34. fug — on 10th March, 2009 at 2:31 am  

    this multiculti policy confusion obscures genuinely interesting ellaboration of what we mean by education and what aims we wish to embed in future generations. bring forward the edcuationalists, not the social engineers please.

    too often, and shamefully so, the education system is required to adapt to the prevailing pop political slogan of the day. got a social problem? stick something in the curriculum and it will be solved!

    i beleive in the right to create education and that variety breeds further creativity. education is reproductive of the values and philosophy you run through it. Somewhat resembling Noah’s Ark, the UK hosts hundreds of different knowledge cultures, very few of which express themselves actively in the field of education.

    ive seen enough incompetance in the state and elite sector for the ‘institutional incapacity’ argument to be irrelavent.

    somali muslims? i dont know, would have to ask relavent educationalists. if the dominating paradigm of white studies renders my identities weak and invisible im going to venture out on my own.

    I think state schooling is cumbersome. too many talented graduates are rendered invalid by the strictures of the national curriculum and too many untalented graduates are trained to provide a ‘Banking education’

  35. billericaydicky — on 10th March, 2009 at 10:20 am  

    I think I have won this one Leon but what exactly is a Troll. I always thought it was a mythical Scandinavian dwarf. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.

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