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  • The global conspiracy machine


    by Sunny
    8th March, 2006 at 3:47 pm    

    There are some people who cannot see a conspiracy without Jews behind it, others who cannot see a society without emphasising racial discrimination. There are also those who cannot see a Muslim without talking about terrorism / ‘Islamo-fundo-krypto-stupido-fascism’, and the ones who make it their business to scream Islamophobia at every given opportunity.

    Where would we be without these career agitators who would have nothing to do with their lives if the world was a happy place? A lot better off, that’s for sure.

    Responding to Lady Kishwer Falkner’s statements last week, Osama ‘we want segregation now’ Saeed says its drivel. He is of course welcome to his opinion but is strangely unwilling to discuss “peaceful dissent” on his own website. We are talking about the same organisation (MAB) that supports Qaradawi’s call for suicide bombers in Israel right?

    Yesterday, Martin Sullivan had another Islamophobic orgasm:

    I notice that another leading Lib Dem, Evan Harris MP, is billed as a platform speaker at the so-called ‘March for Free Expression’ in London on 25 March, which has been called basically in support of the right to incite hatred against Muslims.

    The people for March for Free Expression state on their website:

    We are actively seeking endorsements from almost all kinds of people… but not from fascists. This will be a march in favour of free expression, not a march against Muslims.

    It would be disingenuous, even dishonest, to pretend that the Danish Cartoon Affair has nothing to do with this movement - on the contrary it absolutely was the event that galvanised us into action. But we were also concerned by the closure of a play in Birmingham following demonstrations by Sikhs, and by demonstrations by fundamentalist Christians against a couple of programmes scheduled by the BBC.

    But so what if they say its not against Muslims… it’s still against Muslims because… well otherwise they’d have nothing to scream about!


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    1. David T — on 8th March, 2006 at 5:42 pm  

      Islamophobia Watch is a project of Socialist Action: Pitt and Sullivan are both ex-Workers Revolutionary Party - who got all sniffy in the 1980s when it was suggested that they took money from Saddam in return for photographing anti-Saddam protestors.

      Socialist Action are Ken Livingstone supporting trots. They’re replicating the political model - of cheerleading for the Muslim Brotherhood - which the SWP pioneered.

      So, in the words made famous by Mandy Rice Davies, they would say this, wouldn’t they?

      The March people seem perfectly well intentioned, and genuine. I worry about the fact that they’ve received an endorsement from the improperly-named “Freedom Association”. But they’re clearly not a bunch of bigots or racists.

    2. David T — on 8th March, 2006 at 5:47 pm  

      who got all sniffy in the 1980s when it was suggested that they took money from Saddam

      I hasten to add, the “who” is the WRP - not Pitt and Sullivan themselves.

    3. Refresh — on 8th March, 2006 at 9:37 pm  

      David T, you leave me confused. Should we not hear what these guys have to say? Your intricate knowledge of close workings of the various left groups is admirable, but should that inform the debate? Could we also know of your political pedigree?

      It is tragic that the Freedom Association exists let alone rear its ugly head from time to time.

      If I am right - you are of the ‘left’ - but pro-war, presumably as long as its against certain states. And to be more specific of a particular culture. (Help me here - I really don’t want to misrepresent anybody).

      We are at a time, where being of the left and pro-war, in the UK at least, isn’t a question of power and powerlessness. Its more of keeping our ‘representatives’ in power safe from harm - and (rightly) in a democracy that means from the public.

      As for the racist Danish posters, well they will run and run. Or should I say march and march.

    4. David T — on 8th March, 2006 at 10:39 pm  

      Are you insane?

    5. El Cid — on 8th March, 2006 at 11:41 pm  

      I just think that a polarised world of different looking baddies and goodies, on an intellectual level, is easier for people to grasp.
      The conspiracy theory also provides a great just-in-case get-out-of-jail defence mechanism and a stay-in-denial cop-out clause:
      You’re not fooling me (like you may have fooled others in the past), I know what you’re really up to see.

    6. Refresh — on 9th March, 2006 at 8:18 am  

      ‘Are you insane?’

      No - bored.

    7. mirax — on 9th March, 2006 at 9:02 am  

      I’ll make this brief because I am devilishly busy with work and travel these days to spend much time on PP. I may/may not follow up with comments that ensue.

      Refresh’s repeated requests for “info” on Harry of HP and now, a demand to David T to “reveal his political pedigree” is revealing of a certain trend on Pickled Politics nowadays. It is a tendency by a few (Sid,Jay and now Refresh) to play the person rather than the ball. So, disclosure is demanded or references made to - very selectively because it is a one way street after all- of one’s political, ethnic and religious background and then presumably one can just discount any arguments on the basis of alleged bias.

      “But of course, YOU would say just that because you’re a hindutva/leftist/prowar/white/whiny person!” kind of juvenile taunt becomes a standard response. Ad hominems and astounding presumptions about one’s “motivation”.

      Great for debate , eh?

      Would you like to be on the receiving end of this Refresh et al? Always be seen through the inevitable
      “You are a conservative muslim/sikh/crazy guy with huge chip on shoulder” filter.Cause we can all descend to that, you know. Easily.

    8. Jay Singh — on 9th March, 2006 at 9:19 am  

      mirax, you dont half whine a lot dontcha?

    9. mirax — on 9th March, 2006 at 9:24 am  

      See #8 above. I rest my case.

    10. Jay Singh — on 9th March, 2006 at 9:29 am  

      Toughen up mirax, don’t be so precious, especially when you dish it out yourself, and it makes you look a hippo crit when you wail so much.

    11. Refresh — on 9th March, 2006 at 11:24 am  

      I am a little concerned here - the point was that David T refers to a website that presumably monitors Islamaphobia - in terms of the background of the people running the site. Not that they are wrong or inaccurate- if they are - but their affiliation (past/present?).

      Incidentally David T rightly corrects himself on the money from Saddam to WRP as far as the individuals are concerned. Probably in the knick of time.

      I for one welcome anyone who monitors Islamaphobia - as I support Searchlight for their anti-racist efforts. Oddly enough I am sure the same people David T refers to I would guess be fully supportive of Searchlight.

      Now as far as repeated requests are concerned - not repeated that often I would say. Partly because I can’t be bothered. As for David T, on the face of it he is asking us to judge Islamaphobia through a prism of his own. In that light it is entirely appropriate to know his political stance (past/present). Better to ask than label, I suppose.

      There are other issues to consider too related to the background of the march and people like Freedom Assoc. is an example of who are coalescing behind it.

    12. Steve — on 9th March, 2006 at 1:57 pm  

      “If I am right - you are of the ‘left’ - but pro-war, presumably as long as its against certain states. And to be more specific of a particular culture. (Help me here - I really don’t want to misrepresent anybody).”

      Rightho, I’ll help. David T and the rest of the HP guys are anti-tyranny, not anti-Muslim. The latter is what your comment about ‘a particular culture’ insinuates. They favoured Western intervention against Milosevic’s neo-fascist regime and they might look favourably on military action to overthrow Mugabe or the Burmese junta, depending on the circumstances. (That’s a guess, but it would chime with the general tone of HP.) Furthermore they would never support an attack on (say) Indonesia - because Indonesia, though Muslim, has an accountable government and most of the paraphernalia of an open society.
      In short: I think you misrepresent David T grossly.

    13. Refresh — on 9th March, 2006 at 3:35 pm  

      Steve - thanks. Would that be tyranny anywhere?

    14. El Cid — on 9th March, 2006 at 3:40 pm  

      As a tough tackling defender, I always play the player as well as the ball.

    15. David T — on 9th March, 2006 at 11:26 pm  

      For what its worth, I am a big fan of religious occasions of all denomination and will attend them at a drop of a hat. I usually enjoy the theatre, the sense - if not of eternalness - at least of historicisty.

      It is better if the event has chanting, singing or music.

      Best of all if it ends with a big meal.

    16. Sid D H Arthur — on 10th March, 2006 at 1:32 am  

      It finally dawned on me the other day what Harry’s Place wants to be. Harry’s Place wants to be nothing more or less than to be “Islamofacism Watch” and is, therefore the antithesis, if you like, of Pitt and Sullivan’s “Islamophobia Watch”. As soon as I realised that, HP lost all its ambigiuity. This is why there is an accompanying echo chamber of an assortment of anti-Islamic and Muslim bashing ghouls represented in its comments secions. They realised what HP is long before I did.

    17. Sid D H Arthur — on 10th March, 2006 at 1:55 am  

      Furthermore they would never support an attack on (say) Indonesia - because Indonesia, though Muslim, has an accountable government and most of the paraphernalia of an open society.

      Haha, a little-napoleon comment from an HP-type. Very representative of the views of the up-their-own-arse commenters/supporters of HP. “Attack” and “Muslim” are two words that are often in close proximity on HP.

    18. El Cid — on 10th March, 2006 at 9:03 am  

      Sid, are you HarrysPlaceWatch? ;)

    19. Siddhartha Singh Muslim — on 10th March, 2006 at 9:39 am  

      Yeah I get your point. :-)

    20. Eddie Truman — on 11th March, 2006 at 10:04 pm  

      Islamophobia Watch a “project of Socialist Action” my arse.
      Islamophobia Watch is a project born of collaboration of two comrades from two very different traditions of the UK socialist movement.
      If you want to pass judgement on us, please do so from an informed perspective.
      You can do this by writing to the Islamophobia Watch collective via our website;
      http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/

    21. Sunny — on 12th March, 2006 at 2:24 am  

      Eddie - I find your comment a bit curious since the whole point of that website is to pass comment on other people and their intentions.

      Anyone who does not pass the IW standards gets labelled Islamophobic without a need to explore their intentions or the nuances of where they come from.

    22. j0nz — on 12th March, 2006 at 11:00 am  

      Ah-ha! Eddie at last! You are such a delusional twat! Please enable comments on your site!

      Question for you Eddie: seeing as so many ‘socialists’ wanted Slobodan freed, you must have been in a real double bind, no?

      http://www.icdsm.org/
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/yugo/article/0,2763,527546,00.html

    23. Eddie Truman — on 12th March, 2006 at 4:03 pm  

      “A delusional twat”… highbrow critique indeed.

    24. Sunny — on 12th March, 2006 at 5:13 pm  

      j0nz unfortunately there are many who would like to apply that phrase to you too..

      Anyway Eddie, a reply would be nice :)

    25. Eddie Truman — on 12th March, 2006 at 8:34 pm  

      Hi Sunny, The vast majority of IW postings are links to already published material, made without any editorialising. There have been a couple of high profile threads in which we have taken a clear position but this has always been in relation to individuals and groups that have their own powerful voice and press, including the internet.
      Why don’t we comments switched on ? Well that’s not always the case, it’s just that people don’t notice but, yes, we generally don’t have comments enabled.
      At the end of the day it’s about the limited time that a voluntary collective like IW has available to administer the tidal wave of Islamophobes and US right wing racists that would descend on such a facility. They’ve got their own press, let them use that.
      Eddie

    26. Sunny — on 12th March, 2006 at 9:13 pm  

      I’m not worried about why the comments are not switched on… admittedly there is a lot of scope for abuse there and maybe you guys don’t have the time.

      My point was more in relation to your point about… If you want to pass judgement on us…

      You guys pass judgement on loads of people constantly, whether informed or not (after alll that is subjective), so you have to accept that the opposite will also happen.

    27. Sid D H Arthur — on 12th March, 2006 at 10:53 pm  

      Dear old j0nz; surely the purveyor of more rectoplasm than any other commenter on this site. Ever.

    28. Eddie Truman — on 13th March, 2006 at 11:05 am  

      I take your point Sunny but my initial gripe was that IW was described by David T as “a project of Socialist Action” which is complete and utter nonsense. Again I make the point; the vast majority of material on IW is straight bat reportage of material that is already in the public domain.

    29. Eugene — on 14th March, 2006 at 8:48 am  

      What surprises me is that anyone should take any of David T’s accusations seriously. This is the man who recently made a prat of himself by falsely accusing the treasurer of Christian CND, Neil Berry, of writing anti-semitic articles.

    30. Refresh — on 14th March, 2006 at 1:42 pm  

      I only wish David T took the time to out authors of anti-muslim articles. Knowing where to begin might be a problem.

      Eddie, thanks for your work on Islamaphobia Watch.

      Sunny, your propensity for acronyms can lead to confusion. I thought IW was the admirable Indian Workers.

    31. Sunny — on 14th March, 2006 at 2:00 pm  

      Refresh that’s the IWA isn’t it… not IW.

    32. Refresh — on 14th March, 2006 at 2:22 pm  

      Should be IWA I guess, but always seemed to be shortened to IW, if memory serves.

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