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  • ‘Black Eastenders’ gets 250 complaints


    by Sunny
    2nd March, 2009 at 8:19 pm    

    Thanks to Refresh for this link from the Media Guardian:

    The BBC has received almost 250 complaints over the first episode of EastEnders to feature an all-black cast in its 24-year history. Last week’s episode featured character Patrick Trueman, played by Rudolph Walker, sharing his experiences of being a young black man living in 1950s Britain. A BBC spokesman said 239 complaints had been received from viewers, with 57 received before it aired and 183 after the broadcast.

    The BNP are getting quite good at BBC complaints aren’t they?

    Is the sight of a black person still so offensive to people? There will be a whole bunch of people who will argue, no doubt, that they’re aren’t racist but the BBC is simply discriminating against white people by having an all-black cast for one episode. Funnily enough they’d never complain if an episode did not have a single person from a minority at all though (for a while Eastenders didn’t even have an Asian family). I haven’t seen the episode but a reviewer said they tried to cram 40 years of black history into 10 minutes. And do people really sit around talking about racism? Well, it’s not possible to generalise. But something is better than nothing isn’t it?


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    1. Lauren Baker — on 2nd March, 2009 at 8:36 pm  

      Get a grip. It’s the white folk getting their own back. Don’t you know the ethnics have had the monopoly of complaints so far?

      Don’t try blaming everything onto the BNP.. us white folks are sick and tired of positive discrimation..

    2. james — on 2nd March, 2009 at 8:48 pm  

      Cant win the debate so try and kill the debate right?.

      Lets see if I’ve got this straight then.

      All Black episode…..thats fine!

      All white episode?…..that would be entirely ‘nasty, racist and evil’ is that right?.

      This is the mindset the Sheeple have got to get into in this country, its not cringe-worthy Political correctness…..its ‘vibrant and multicultural!’

      I mean this nasty racist country is only following suit, check out any African or middle eastern soap opera, they have ‘ethnic minority white only episodes’ all the time!….right?.

      Er actually….

    3. Katy Newton — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:08 pm  

      I do believe the BNP are subscribing to your RSS feed, Sunny.

    4. Refresh — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:11 pm  

      It is quite a milestone for Rudolph Walker, a personal favourite, who also starred in ‘Love Thy Neighbour’.

    5. persephone — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:19 pm  

      I saw that episode and did not even think about it being an all black episode - just a focus on certain characters.

      But then I don’t ‘racially box’ any episodes when they are all white either.

      Am surprised that it is Eastenders first all black episode though, given it is set in London.

      I wonder how many complaints the BBC would get if it aired an all asian episode.

    6. Golam Murtaza — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:23 pm  

      So, we’re ‘the ethnics’ to you are we Lauren? Personally I’d prefer the term ‘people’. Or maybe you can’t quite grasp that yet.

    7. Amrit — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:45 pm  

      Don’t try blaming everything onto the BNP.. us white folks are sick and tired of positive discrimation..

      Wow, you’re SO FED UP of us ‘ethnics’ that you went to the extent of seeking out a blog that is targeted at us, and commenting.

      Gee, that looks like the work of - dare I say it - a BNP troll!

      I believe James’ comment cut short due to his choking on an excess of mouth-froth. The sporadic use of capitals though, what’s that all about? It spells out ‘Black Political African’ *dramatic music*. IS HE TRYING TO WARN US OF SOMETHING?

    8. SE — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:45 pm  

      250 is nothing compared to how many complaints British Asians would get.

      These rapists are proud of their imperialist history.

    9. persephone — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:50 pm  

      just a thought but do they ever release how many positive/affirmative letters they get & not just the complaints? You know how many emails saying how nice it was to see an all black episode

      I feel like writing a postive comment to the BBC

    10. Lauren Baker — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:51 pm  

      Truth hurts.. you feel you are discriminated against and the law gets changed. We feel we are and sod all happens… yes I am fed up with YOU ethnics complaining. No I don’t belong to a political party at all, they’re all a waste of space.. I come from the “real” east end.. before it was invaded!

    11. Rumbold — on 2nd March, 2009 at 9:54 pm  

      Lauren Baker:

      The real East End eh? You mean the section settled by the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Normans, Huguenots and Jews? If you were there before that lot you must be getting on a bit.

    12. Amrit — on 2nd March, 2009 at 10:00 pm  

      Lauren Baker:

      Oh, take it to Jeremy Kyle, would you?

    13. Andy Gilmour — on 2nd March, 2009 at 10:01 pm  

      “Don’t you know the ethnics have had the monopoly of complaints so far?”

      Funny, I thought it was the deluded christian fundies (ah, tautology, oops) who held the current record…?

      “I don’t belong to a political party at all, they’re all a waste of space.. I come from the “real” east end.. before it was invaded!”

      Ah, things just haven’t been the same since dear old Oswald died…

    14. Leon — on 2nd March, 2009 at 10:02 pm  

      LOL @ Rumbold #11!!!

    15. Billy — on 2nd March, 2009 at 10:03 pm  

      Ethnics? When did ethnic become a noun?

    16. Refresh — on 2nd March, 2009 at 10:09 pm  

      Lauren, would it help if we had a whole episode full of Lauren Bakers talking about what they got up to in the Notting Hill riots and every other one since?

      I for one would be glued to the set, seriously.

      There would be no complaints to the BBC from me.

      As it happens we will be getting an episode along those lines, but it will be characters who have matured, and learnt to appreciate and value the new and the once exotic. I’ve got my eye on Charlie the cab driver.

      Keep watching.

    17. 5cc — on 3rd March, 2009 at 12:06 am  

      Lauren - please don’t use terms like ‘us white folks’ as if you speak for white people in general. You don’t.

      Please use more accurate and descriptive terms in future, like ‘us racists’. Ta.

    18. sarah — on 3rd March, 2009 at 1:15 am  

      This is amazing! In fact they should be getting positive comments for this original idea!

    19. Sunny — on 3rd March, 2009 at 1:17 am  

      I do believe the BNP are subscribing to your RSS feed, Sunny.

      I get that feeling too Katy.

    20. Lauren Baker — on 3rd March, 2009 at 8:30 am  

      East Pretenders in Londonstinkinstani!

    21. munir — on 3rd March, 2009 at 8:59 am  

      “The BNP are getting quite good at BBC complaints aren’t they? ”

      Indeed. You should see Have Your Say on the news BBC website. Its essentailly been taken over and ruined by BNP types railing against Muslims, political correctness and ZaNu Labour

      Reading it one would assume that the BNP are the main political force in this country

    22. munir — on 3rd March, 2009 at 9:03 am  

      Lauren Baker
      “Get a grip. It’s the white folk getting their own back. Don’t you know the ethnics have had the monopoly of complaints so far?”

      Yeah quite right…who won the bl**dy war anyway?

      Oh wait…. people with your beliefs lost.

    23. Ravi Naik — on 3rd March, 2009 at 9:06 am  

      Indeed. You should see Have Your Say on the news BBC website. Its essentailly been taken over and ruined by BNP types railing against Muslims, political correctness

      That’s because these BNP types have a lot of time in their hands, while we - the ethnics - are working and paying taxes to cover their lazy ungrateful arses.

    24. Jai — on 3rd March, 2009 at 10:28 am  

      I think that this particular “outraged” reaction to Eastenders says more about some of the show’s audience than anything else; I wonder if they see this as black people ‘taking over’ ‘their’ show…..Assuming of course that it’s not a co-ordinated campaign by members of the BNP, including people who may not actually watch Eastenders anyway…..

      And you’d think they’d never heard of The Cosby Show, A Different World, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, or even our very own Desmond’s…..

      Black people consistently getting preferential treatment and good white folk being oppressed by ‘the Ethnics’, eh…..Better keep ‘em in their place, otherwise they might start getting ideas above their station and believe they could actually end up becoming President of the United States, the most powerful person in the world and therefore, by definition, more powerful than any white person on the entire planet.

      And what a ludicrous, unnatural notion that would be. Thank God it could never happen in real life.

    25. Shamit — on 3rd March, 2009 at 10:32 am  

      Jai

      Talk about being uppity — how dare did Obama think about running for President of the US?

      And how do Asians in this country dare to do well academically and be successful in their careers. We cant have that can we now?

      So, lets go out and spread the word.
      *************************
      Lauren — I am sorry to say that you do not live in the real world. Do you know or have any clue if all Asians left the UK today — the economy is going to shrink by about 25-30%. UK can ill afford it.

      Also Lauren what do you say about those soldiers who fight for Queen and Country and lay down their lives. Many are Muslims.

      But you really don’t care about reality do you? You are a sad individual and a relic from the past.

    26. Rumbold — on 3rd March, 2009 at 10:55 am  

      Heh Amrit (#12) and Ravi (#24).

    27. Kismet Hardy — on 3rd March, 2009 at 10:56 am  

      The saddest thing about this is the dude that plays Patrick is a shit actor. But if anything, Eastenders is more guilty of positive ageism (or ‘discrimation’ as the eloquent Lauren puts it), because the last time they gave a whole episode to just one character, it was Dot Cotton. So you could argue the scriptwriters were raised to respect their elders. How very Asian of them.

    28. Jai — on 3rd March, 2009 at 10:57 am  

      Shamit,

      You are a sad individual and a relic from the past.

      I think that’s exactly the point. It’s interesting watching the death throes of attitudes which are a vicious legacy of the European colonial era. These people are obsolete, backward rednecks in a world where demographics (esp. in the US) and ‘the balance of power’ are shifting considerably, and which will escalate during the next few decades.

      It’s like the KKK railing against the liberation of African-Americans after the end of the American Civil War and again during the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s, as their entire worldview disintegrated.

      Coincidentally, the movie “A Time to Kill” was on BBC1 last night, a couple of hours after Sunny posted this article and some of our homegrown Klan wannabes decided to pay PP a visit, which I thought was a nice coincidence. Some of the white hood-wearing idiots made similar noises about “black people taking over”, “the country’s going to hell”, and “white folk needing someone to stick up for them”. Good film, you should check it out if you haven’t already seen it (of course, if you’re already familiar with the plotline then you’ll know exactly what I’m talking about). And Kiefer Sutherland’s character in the movie is definitely not Jack Bauer.

    29. platinum786 — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:00 am  

      It’s so cool to have a BNP troll here.

      BNP lady, how do you feel about the streets smelling of curry? Does that irk you?

      Are you personally involved in a race to have more white kids than the “ethnics”?

      BNP lady, are you a supper of shariah law in Britain?

      I can’t beleieve people complained about that episode.

      I complained about the one which had Dot talking all episode, nearly killed me that did!

    30. Shamit — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:03 am  

      Yup — I watched it a few times — thanks to TV. Wasn’t there a similar one with Gregory Peck in the lead too.

      But I like the new vesion. I guess Lauren would like to see something similar in Eastenders..By the way, I have hardly ever ever watched the bloody show but now I am rooting for it.

    31. Kismet Hardy — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:03 am  

      I like that the Laurens of this nation are given a platform to voice their views. Always refreshing to see someone so staunchly proud to be English fail so miserably at using the English language

    32. Ravi Naik — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:05 am  

      Do you know or have any clue if all Asians left the UK today — the economy is going to shrink by about 25-30%. UK can ill afford it.

      Actually, it is deeper than that. The fortunes of this country are deeply connected to colonisation: the English got free/extremely cheap labour for centuries, as well as the immense wealth from other countries for free. So our “ethnic” ancestors and our “ethnic” lands contributed to this country well before any of us settled here.

      This doesn’t mean that Britain should open its borders to everyone - every country must have some form of immigration control, but for the BNP to claim that Britain should be white-only because whites are the only ones who historically contributed to this country, is plain dishonest.

      250 complaints is a pretty low number. We have come a long way.

    33. mac — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:13 am  

      I don’t think anyone would have noticed it was an all-black episode were it not for a certain poisonous rag that had to draw attention to it in the first place.

      Anyway, I saw white people mingling around in one of the street shots so it technically wasn’t all black anyway.

      Not that it f**king matters.

    34. eastendsucks — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:16 am  

      you would think that eastenders would have more bengali characters since most of the east end is full of bengalis.

    35. Jai — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:20 am  

      Shamit,

      Wasn’t there a similar one with Gregory Peck in the lead too.

      Yes, “To Kill a Mockingbird” — absolutely superb film with an outstanding performance by Mr Peck. Heroic as both a lawyer and a father. The book that the film is based on is excellent too.

      Some trivia: The actor who played the person falsely accused of rape in the film is the same person who, decades later, portrayed the role of Captain Sisko’s father in Star Trek: DS9. And speaking of Sisko, I bet the type of people who complained about Eastenders found him to be an “inappropriately assertive”, “impertinent uppity n*gger” too. Not to mention Adrian Lester in the lead role in Hustle (Michael Stone), all those movies starring Denzel Washington, Will Smith etc etc.

      Do you know or have any clue if all Asians left the UK today — the economy is going to shrink by about 25-30%. UK can ill afford it.

      Ths NHS would completely collapse too. Considering all the Asian GPs, surgeons and hospital doctors who would disappear (not to mention the pharmacists too), there would be absolute chaos in the UK.

    36. persephone — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:29 am  

      Lauren @ 21

      Yep agree with you Lauren, London does get a bit stinky. But no need to worry, nowadays the curries mask the smell of boiled cabbage.

      You see, the all pervading smell of boiled cabbage at school dinners always used to make me heave & never seemed to leave my clothes & hair.

    37. Sarah — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:30 am  

      I wish people would just get over it. The episode was just meant to be about that particular family who just happen to be black. Im sure it was nothing to do with having an all black episode. (I did actually see a few white people in the cafe any way!!! lol).

    38. Shamit — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:53 am  

      “To Kill a Mockingbird” - The book was brilliant.

      “Ths NHS would completely collapse too. Considering all the Asian GPs, surgeons and hospital doctors who would disappear (not to mention the pharmacists too), there would be absolute chaos in the UK.”

      Spot on and many of them are born and brought up in this country. Well, Lauren might refer back to history for a bit and see what happened to a particular successful economy when Asians were kicked out?

      The country is Uganda and from being one of the richest nations in Africa it soon became one of the worst nations economically in Africa. There was total collapse.

    39. Kismet Hardy — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:53 am  

      “you would think that eastenders would have more bengali characters since most of the east end is full of bengalis.”

      Walford isn’t a real place. Those people are actors. And what kind of name is Tamwar? That’s not a real name. It’s Tanwar or Anwar.

      I’m complaining.

    40. john b — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:53 am  

      @35: true. not as bad as ITV’s ‘Whitechapel’ last month, tho’ - a show set in Whitechapel with *no* Asian characters…

      @38: possibly script-wise that’s true (didn’t see it myself), but the BBC definitely PR-ed it as being an all-black episode.

    41. Shamit — on 3rd March, 2009 at 11:57 am  

      Lauren

      Do you have ambitions to be Idi Amin? Well done — I for one am glad to see you go past your racist inclinations and follow an uneducated brutal and stupid black man.

      Just wondering what do you think about Nelson Mandela. Should he have kicked out the white population in South Africa — a lot of people wanted him to. But he said South Africa is for all South Africans. And he urged people to forgive and forget and build a better future for all the people. I wonder why?

    42. platinum786 — on 3rd March, 2009 at 12:18 pm  

      Shamit, be fair now. Uganda kicked out Gujji’s, we all know how they are with money.

      Britain has not taken in only Gujji’s… not that i don’t doubt for a minute the huge economic impact that it would have. I’m saying Gujji’s deserve a special mention, because they’re penny pinching, the word gujji sounds funny and we all love ‘em. :)

      Back to eastenders, I’ve never seen a sardar on eastenders. What is that about? And why is there not a hijabi on eastenders. you find them by the bucket loads in London. Also what kind of fake reflection on society is it when there is not a polish person on eastenders.

    43. Mitchell Stirling — on 3rd March, 2009 at 12:38 pm  

      Pretty sure EastEnders had an all Asian episode around 2001 or so.

    44. Ravi Naik — on 3rd March, 2009 at 1:23 pm  

      Do you have ambitions to be Idi Amin? Well done — I for one am glad to see you go past your racist inclinations and follow an uneducated brutal and stupid black man.

      I am not sure it is a good idea to compare Uganda with Britain - not that the outcome could be different, but they are just two different realities.

      I will start taking the BNP and other white racist organisations seriously, when they start demanding that whites from America, South Africa, New Zealand and Australia go back to where they came from: Europe. Until then, their “Europe for Whites only” is just a farce.

    45. platinum786 — on 3rd March, 2009 at 1:49 pm  

      ^^^ I’d add the majority of the hispanic population to that too. How many in Brazil or mexico are inca’s and how many are the portugese settlers and the spanish settlers?

    46. Jai — on 3rd March, 2009 at 2:03 pm  

      And what kind of name is Tamwar? That’s not a real name. It’s Tanwar or Anwar.

      Actually, on a tangential note I do have a bit of a gripe about some weird mispronunciations of Asian Muslim names in the media during the past few years, both in the UK and in the US. Even though there’s not necessarily any malicious intent behind the manglings.

      To clarify, for the benefit of non-Asian readers: If the person concerned is Asian, Ahmed — as in Prince Harry’s “little Emerging Markets friend” — is pronounced exactly the way it’s spelt, ie. Ah-med.

      Not “ACK-med”.

      Similarly (almost), AR Rahman, now of Slumdog Millionaire fame but previously already world famous amongst the Indian diaspora, is pronounced AR REH-mahn.

      Not “AR RACKKKHHH-mahn”, as recently mangled by Oprah and Alicia Keys. Now, I can forgive Alicia for most things, being the beautiful gorgeous woman that she is, but I have no idea why some people stick an invisible ‘kh’ into these names.

      In a nutshell, Asian Muslim names only have the back-of-the-throat “Kh” sound if, guess what, they actually have the letters “Kh” in the name.

      Very simple, folks. Now go and tell all your friends and relatives.

    47. Sofia — on 3rd March, 2009 at 3:32 pm  

      Jai..it goes back to the ‘H’ in the name…in arabic there are two types of ‘H’ sound..one which is soft and one which is the throaty sound that is translated into the ‘ackhh’…in both Rahman and Ahmed it is the latter ‘H’ sound that is used…

    48. peter — on 3rd March, 2009 at 3:51 pm  

      Equality?.

      No thanks were happy with special and preferential treatment thanks suckers!.

    49. Jai — on 3rd March, 2009 at 4:41 pm  

      I have to be honest with you Sofia, I’ve never heard Asians pronounce those names any other way than how I’ve described it in #47, either here in the UK or in India itself. Not even Pakistanis I’ve met over the years here in the UK, even if the names concerned were their own or those of other Asian Muslims they knew.

      If we’re talking about names such as “Khalid”, or words like khuda, khaas, khidmat etc then of course it’s a different matter. But not if no ‘kh’ is present in the name or the word.

      Following on from that…..

      in arabic there are two types of ‘H’ sound..one which is soft and one which is the throaty sound that is translated into the ‘ackhh’

      The following is pure speculation, but perhaps the difference in pronunciation is due to the fact that the subcontinent has got all this basically due to the historical Persian influence — both cultural and linguistic — rather than from Arabs, even if the original linguistic roots of many of these words are obviously from Arabic. Similarly, to my very Asian ears the fact that people in the Western media sometimes pronounce Ahmedinejad’s name “Ack-medinejad” rather than, well, Ah-medinejad also sounds strange and possibly incorrect.

      I don’t know. Maybe this is just about the way Urdu/Persian words and names are pronounced in Indian culture, but like I said, personally I’ve never heard any Pakistanis or Bangladeshis pronounce them differently either. *shrug*

    50. Lauren Baker — on 3rd March, 2009 at 4:53 pm  

      I am a true Londoner, born within the sound of Bow Bells. I know my roots, I remember London as it was. You lot, are severed from yours, living in a country where the people don’t really want you.

    51. Ravi Naik — on 3rd March, 2009 at 4:54 pm  

      translated into the ‘ackhh’…

      Surely, you mean ‘ahhhck’. :)

    52. Shamit — on 3rd March, 2009 at 5:12 pm  

      Lauren

      Now you are pissing me off. This is my country as much as yours.

      And if you dont like it tough — and you know whats more funny — your views simpl;y don’t matter to me or any Asian for that matter. We were born in this country and some of us even fight for this country — so why don’t you take your little brain and fuck off before we all lose it here.

    53. Ravi Naik — on 3rd March, 2009 at 5:19 pm  

      I am a true Londoner, born within the sound of Bow Bells. I know my roots, I remember London as it was.

      Heh. London as it was? Pre-historic times? Before the Romans invaded? During the middle-ages? Victorian times? My… you have been around a lot, you true Londoner. And do you really know your roots, and know where all your ancestors came from since the last millennia?

      You lot, are severed from yours, living in a country where the people don’t really want you.

      The BNP has very limited support in this country. In 2005, it got 0.7% of the electoral vote. The major parties in this country are committed to a multi-ethnic society, and if you count all of them without the BNP, that’s 99.3%.

      I would say you are severed from reality. But bitterness and frustration does that, right?

    54. soru — on 3rd March, 2009 at 5:20 pm  

      @jai:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/08/how_to_say_mahmoud_ahmadinejad_1.html

      http://www.brazenstatesmen.com/2009/01/26/ap-pronunciation-guide/

      Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan — shayk AKH’-med sah-’LEEM SWAY’-dahn

      Fayez Ahmed, (Ahmed) — FEYE’-ez AH’-med

      Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman — shayk OH’-mahr AHB’-dehl RAHK’-mahn

      The ‘akh’ pronunciation of ‘ah’ may be Egyptian.

    55. Shamit — on 3rd March, 2009 at 5:38 pm  

      Ravi

      No Lauren knows her roots based on the history lesson given by Nick Griffin.

      Now that would be very accurate.

    56. Amrit — on 3rd March, 2009 at 5:40 pm  

      *applauds Ravi*

      Lauren:

      You lot, are severed from yours, living in a country where the people don’t really want you.

      Shit! You’d better alert my white boyfriend, in that case, and any other of ‘your’ ‘white folks’ who happen to be in interracial relationships with ‘us lot’! Clearly, since you speak for all white people ever, not all racists, no sirree, you’d better make sure the rest of ‘em get the memo.

      *tuts* These ‘white folks’, coming over to our blogs and taking our comments…

    57. Jai — on 3rd March, 2009 at 5:52 pm  

      Re: #55

      Thanks Soru, that’s really interesting.

      Looks like there’s basically a mix-up or some mistaken assumptions — non-Asians in the Western media really are pronouncing the aforementioned names as they would be in some parts of the Middle-East, not realising that they’re actually pronounced differently if the Muslim person concerned is from the subcontinent.

      Possibly ditto for the name of a certain Iranian president too.

    58. Adrian P — on 3rd March, 2009 at 6:19 pm  

      These people are being sterilised, aborted, flooded, murdered and gangraped out of existance and they can’t even see the evidence, they have been brainewashed by global Communism into liking the demise of their race, it’s both frightening but also truly amazing.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1HwTDjL4FE

      You Probably think it was Muslims that blew up the tube too, Wrong, it was the Global commies again, the same people who are wiping you out and Brainwashing you to ignore the evidence, even to sychophantically enjoy it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HSKvaFC39Q

      Wake up for god’s sake

    59. Ravi Naik — on 3rd March, 2009 at 6:22 pm  

      *tuts* These ‘white folks’, coming over to our blogs and taking our comments…

      I agree. And did you notice how these “B-N-P-stanis” frame their arguments? They should either write like us, or go back to whatever low-ranking badly designed blog they came from. And this site is already full of commentators, we do not need more people coming out of nowhere and comment like they own this place! Why come to a blog when no one wants them?

      I do not hate them, I really don’t. I just believe that each commentator should stick with their own blog.

    60. marvin — on 3rd March, 2009 at 6:29 pm  

      An Eastenders theme tune that’s a possibly a bit closer to the modern day East end, by Bill Bailey?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUvyfDERJV8

      (He does a whole load of remixed theme tunes, well worth youtubing)

    61. Refresh — on 3rd March, 2009 at 6:33 pm  

      Lauren, I think we have met before.

      In September at a funeral in a crematorium in Salford.

      The service was absolutely jam-packed. His close family travelled from various parts of the UK and other parts of the world. He died relatively young, and being a sportsman and an aspirational figure he had many friends. He had had trials with Man U.

      The service itself was a simple christian ceremony, and all the moving for it.

      You went on to the wake which was held at his local cricket club. You were outside smoking with a couple of lads and a woman, and had had a few drinks. I stood nearby and chatted with some friends of the bereaved family.

      And suddenly your voice became more pronounced and shrill as you turned the conversation to ‘Akkhhhmed’ the terrorist. ‘Akkhhhmed’ had clearly had an impact on you as his name seemed to feature a lot in your soliloquy.

      It was clear to everyone there that you had held it as long as you could but could not get over the fact that there was one non-white face present amongst the crowd of hundreds. All of whom had gathered to pay their respect. Fortunately for you, the woman in your group did manage to quieten you down and placed the blame firmly on the drinks.

      I, and many many others were deeply embarrassed by your behaviour. Most of us were anxious that the widow and her sons had not heard you and nor should they hear of it. As a proud working class white family they would not stand for such narrow-minded bigotted behaviour. Not at their husband and father’s funeral, not ever.

      If you had continued, I would have taken the trouble to have gotten to know you myself and laid bare your shame. For your sake of course. And I assure you, I would have left you grateful for the experience.

    62. Jai — on 3rd March, 2009 at 6:50 pm  

      I’ll tell you something, Ravi. I don’t have a problem with people from other blogs per se. I just think that we have more in common with some bloggers than others. Once they’re nicely settled into Pickled Politics, I’m even happy to view them as no different to anyone else on PP who has been here for a long time. At the end of the day, they are “one of us”, after all.

      It’s the others I’m not comfortable with. “swivels eyes and lowers voice”. You know, the commenters from blogs on the other side of the world. Let’s be honest, we don’t really have much in common with them, they’ve got their own different perspectives and customs, and it’s not really that easy for them to “fit into” normal daily life on PP.

      Even if their parents were from foreign blogs and these commenters themselves have actually spent all their time on PP right from Day One, I don’t see how they’d really have much in common with everyone else here and even why this would mean they belong here at all — not that I’ve actually spent much time talking to any of these people, mind you, but what I’m saying still makes sense doesn’t it — and I don’t see what value they genuinely add to this blog.

      After all, just because a dog’s born in a stable it doesn’t make it a horse, does it ?

      Let me be Frank — and yes, of course you can be Sammy and Shamit can be Dean — what contribution do they make to this blog ? Absolutely sodding nothing. Okay, so there are plenty of commenters from other foreign blogs too, and some of ‘em weren’t even born here, hell some of ‘em have only been here for a couple of years, but it’s the ones from those really backward Third World blogs that I’m talking about. So fecking what if some people say that the only reason you notice them more is because they have those funny foreign usernames ?

      I’ll tell you what really pisses me off. When some of these B-N-P-stanis start flirting online with some of our female commenters. Especially when the stupid cows start flirting back. Everyone should stick to his own. Okay, I think we should be able to flirt with anyone we like, but if any of these white hood-wearing fanatics try it on with one of our women and start sticking their burning crosses where the sun don’t shine, I’ll knock the dirty sod’s bloody head off.

      The easy solution would be to just kick ‘em all off Pickled Politics. Okay, the girls can stay, cos some of ‘em are quite fit, but you know what I mean.

      I’m feeling quite peckish now. Anyone feel like going out for an English ?

    63. dave bones — on 3rd March, 2009 at 6:57 pm  

      I used to really like the desmonds

    64. Refresh — on 3rd March, 2009 at 6:58 pm  

      Desmonds was the worst ever sitcom. So contrived. Like all the others.

    65. Jai — on 3rd March, 2009 at 7:19 pm  

      Refresh,

      How dare you. A Different World was brilliant.

      Dwayne Wayne Zindabad.

    66. marvin — on 3rd March, 2009 at 7:24 pm  

      I’ve never met a man or woman around my age that didn’t love The Fresh Prince of Belair. Tell me you do too Refresh, tell me you do.

    67. Refresh — on 3rd March, 2009 at 7:32 pm  

      The sitcom died after Terry & June.

    68. Refresh — on 3rd March, 2009 at 7:46 pm  

      Shamit,

      ‘before we all lose it here.’

      Nobody will lose it - stiff upper lip dear boy!

    69. persephone — on 3rd March, 2009 at 8:49 pm  

      Looking at the irrelevance of Bow bells/Eastenders/ London:

      The region in which “Cockneys” reside has changed over time, and is no longer the whole of London. The traditional definition is that in order to be a Cockney, one must have been born within earshot of the Bow Bells. However, the church of St. Mary-le-Bow was destroyed in 1666 by the Great Fire of London and rebuilt by Sir Christopher Wren. After the bells were destroyed again in 1941 in The Blitz of World War II, and before they were replaced in 1961, there was a period when by this definition no ‘Bow-bell’ Cockneys could be born. The use of such a literal definition produces other problems, since the area around the church is no longer residential and the noise of the area makes it unlikely that many people would be born within earshot of the bells anymore.

      A study was carried by the city in 2000 to see how far the Bow Bells could be heard and it was estimated that the bells would have been heard six miles to the east, five miles to the north, three miles to the south, and four miles to the west. Thus while all East Enders are Cockneys, not all Cockneys are East Enders.

      The other interesting fact is that the ringing of the Bow bells at St Marys were to announce the 9pm curfew set by the Norman conquerors.

      Lauren, I think its near your bedtime..

    70. Sofia — on 3rd March, 2009 at 8:52 pm  

      51….hahahahahahahahaha…oh lauren *cough racist*cough*bigot*cough*…you are so funny….

    71. Sofia — on 3rd March, 2009 at 8:53 pm  

      as for the ‘ach’ pronounciations..Jai you’re right about south asians not pronouncing these names with the throaty H…and yes the influence of persion on the urdu hybrid language is very heavy

    72. Refresh — on 3rd March, 2009 at 9:41 pm  

      I am sure Lauren is not racist and is simply misinformed, perhaps even defensive and wary of all the changes going on around us, and like very many other people from all walks of life is trying to establish her own credentials. For that to happen, she like everyone else, has to find her bearings.

      There will be false turns along the way, but she has to get there.

    73. Sunny — on 4th March, 2009 at 3:17 am  

      Desmonds was the best ever. I bet Refresh hated East is East too.

      Pretty sure EastEnders had an all Asian episode around 2001 or so.

      Really? interesting! I’ve not heard about this..

    74. halima — on 4th March, 2009 at 11:29 am  

      “Pretty sure EastEnders had an all Asian episode around 2001 or so”

      Yes, it did, but it was boring ! They should’v come up with a more interesting story line if they were going to shake up the format - no point doing that unless you going to do something exciting with it..

    75. Chris — on 4th March, 2009 at 1:58 pm  

      Fuck, I didn’t realise I was in the group of ‘us whites’.

      On Laurens behalf I would like to apologise for being bigotted, out of touch, racist, insensitive, impatient, closed-minded and also for clearly supporting a party which has plans to return Britain (or is that ‘England’?) to it ‘natural white roots’.

      Lauren, I think it would be best if you leave, your opinions are not only disrespectful in this arena, but also completey incompatible with any kind of real society.

      When times do change, and it is about time they did, I hope ‘you and yours’ are first against the wall.

      Once again everyone, sorry.

    76. Refresh — on 4th March, 2009 at 2:54 pm  

      ‘I bet Refresh hated East is East too.’

      That was really funny, but it did get carried away.

      The dance sequence (Archie Punjabi I think) was much better than anything Bollywood could have done. Acting was excellent throughout.

      The problem with Desmond’s was that it was put together around the commissioning editor’s remit of getting more black people on TV. Farookh Dhondi I think it was.

      If it had worked we would have had more diverse programming sooner; but we had to wait until Goodness Gracious Me to pave the way.

      As I said it was contrived, and the price we paid was a 10 year hiatus.

    77. Amrit — on 4th March, 2009 at 2:58 pm  

      Chris - no need for an apology but ’tis appreciated. LOL @ Jai and Ravi. ;-)

      As a young ‘un, I have to say that I’ve watched Desmond’s and I’m afraid I just don’t find it funny. The Fresh Prince, though? That’s MY childhood! And of course GGM is super-good.

    78. Refresh — on 5th March, 2009 at 12:01 am  

      An interesting takes on the relevant sitcoms:

      http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/1108234/index.html

    79. The Dude — on 5th March, 2009 at 9:03 am  

      I’m with Sunny on this one….”Desmond’s” was a cut above other domestic comedies of the time and even now holds up well as a good British sit-com. Mind you…I loved “Love thy Neighbour”, so what do I know?

    80. Ruth Gerull — on 6th March, 2009 at 11:47 am  

      Lauren, you should be ashamed of yourself. We are all the same on the inside and have feelings. It’s about time you and those people like you take people for what they are and forget about the colour of their skin.

      Every country has its own culture - why not take a look at some other cultures - you might learn something to your benefit.

      I am an English Jew and live in Germany - it’s a wonderful place to live. People like you make me very angry and you do not represent all white people - just yourself.

    81. Ruth Gerull — on 6th March, 2009 at 11:48 am  

      Lauren, you should be ashamed of yourself. We are all the same on the inside and have feelings. It’s about time you and those people like you take people for what they are and forget about the colour of their skin.

      Every country has its own culture - why not take a look at some other cultures - you might learn something to your benefit.

      I am an English Jew and live in Germany - it’s a wonderful place to live. People like you make me very angry and you do not represent all white people - just yourself.

    82. jenny — on 6th March, 2009 at 7:52 pm  

      Omg!! First a black President, now an all black episode of Eastenders, them black folks is taking over !!!!! lol

    83. Mark K — on 7th March, 2009 at 11:12 am  

      What is all the fuss about? I watched that episode, and all I saw was people. Just the same as any other episode. Not colour, just people.

      If more people had that attitude then this world would be a lot better place to bring our kids up in.

    84. Jai — on 12th March, 2009 at 3:49 pm  

      We always have, and always will be the superior race.

      Sorry to burst your bubble Lauren but during the immediate pre-colonial era, both China and India together accounted for an enormous 50% of the world’s entire GDP, and visiting European ambassadors had to struggle to secure an audience with (and to be taken seriously by) the Mughal rulers of northern India because at the time they were from such comparatively poor countries and were regarded as having relatively little to offer.

      Even Queen Elizabeth the First herself, justifiably regarded as one of England’s greatest rulers, regarded herself as being the sovereign of a comparatively backward, inferior and inconsequencial provincial power, as stated in her own words in her written correspondence with the Mughal Emperor Akbar.

      Taking it back even further, one of the Roman Empire’s biggest trading partners was the Indian subcontinent, to the extent that there was a massive drain of gold out of the empire and into India. The haemorraghing of tangible wealth in this manner actually caused considerable concern amongst the Roman authorities at the time. You will hopefully recall that, in terms of their level of civilisation or technological advancement, indigenous British people in those years weren’t exactly the “superior elite” of humanity — something the massively advanced Romans found to their great advantage when their invading armies started arriving.

      The continuing rise of China and India, both of whom will become global superpowers in the same league as the United States during this century if not sometime during the next few decades, isn’t an abberation but an example of the situation “going back to normal” and a state of play that has been in existence for thousands of years.

      Your delusional and incredibly misguided claims about white people “always having been, and always will be, the superior race” are not only wildly inaccurate, it also demonstrates a collossal level of ignorance about global history.

      But hey, continuing events during the 21st century will make that abundantly clear to ignorant racists like you anyway. The new President of the United States is just the beginning.

    85. Golam Murtaza — on 12th March, 2009 at 4:07 pm  

      Oh dear ‘Lauren’. Not a very pleasant person are you?
      I’d challenge you to match Jai’s eloquence and grasp of history but given your mental state that’s probably an unrealistic expectation.

    86. Shamit — on 12th March, 2009 at 4:11 pm  

      Go on Jai….

      Dude, you should write a bloody history book — your grasp on history is brilliant and your sarcastic humour is wicked too. Go on mate.

    87. Don — on 12th March, 2009 at 4:14 pm  

      Jai,

      Have you read Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond? I’ve recently started it and Lauren’s ignorant outburst brought to mind his comment that for twelve of the last thirteen thousand years northern Europe contributed nothing of value, but was geographically lucky enough to piggybag on the advances in the eastern med.

    88. persephone — on 12th March, 2009 at 5:22 pm  

      Dear Lauren

      The definition of superior is the difference b/n your post at 85 and that at @ 86.

      I haven’t heard the word ‘coloureds’ in many years because your bigoted mindset is more a dying one rather than a superior one. And I understand your fear of being in a minority.

      Toodle pip

      persephone

    89. Jai — on 12th March, 2009 at 5:29 pm  

      Shamit,

      Dude, you should write a bloody history book — your grasp on history is brilliant and your sarcastic humour is wicked too. Go on mate.

      Thanks man. It’s a flattering suggestion although for the time-being I enjoy reading history books rather than (potentially) writing them.

      Having said that, I did write an article for PP a few years ago called “White Mughals, Brown Brits”. Go through the archives or Google it to check it out. Along with the book it references, the topic it discusses would blow apart some of the misconceptions our redneck friends have about historical attitudes to race in Britain and the relationship this country had with Indians prior to the Victorian era.

      **********************

      Don,

      No I haven’t read that book although I’ve heard of it — I think it’s quite acclaimed, isn’t it ?

      I’m not surprised about what you mentioned, though (no offence to any northern Europeans reading this); from what I know, you’re right in saying that it’s actually the regions around the Meditteranean which have really driven “European” civilisation, especially during the past couple of thousand years. The comparative rise in northern/western Europe during the past few centuries is heavily a result of colonialism (and the associated influx of wealth) driving the Industrial Revolution and global maritime travel & trade (and the corresponding increase in knowledge), along with triggering/promoting advances in scientific understanding etc.

      Not that I’d wish to downplay the accomplishments of the northern extremities of Europe, of course, especially the impact of a certain country on the global banking industry (well, apart from the recent screw-ups, obviously), skiing if you’re into that sort of thing, IKEA, and most of all the bloody-hell-her-legs-are-long delights of Victoria Silvstedt.

    90. Jai — on 13th March, 2009 at 12:59 pm  

      Don — by the way, speaking of northern Europeans, their history a thousand years ago, and indeed tying this into this thread’s debate about immigration, assimilation, integration etc, you might want to check out this new article from The Independent about the Vikings when you have some spare time:

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-vikings-it-wasnt-all-raping-and-pillaging-1643969.html

      Interesting stuff. Quite revisionist too in some ways, although of course in recent years we’ve already heard about the Vikings’ advanced skills in maritime exploration, their ‘discovery’ of America, and so on.

    91. Disappointed 14 yr old. — on 3rd April, 2009 at 9:52 am  

      Think about how many all white episodes there have been and when there is an “ethnic” face it is like playing Where’s Wally to find it.
      One black episode caused so many complaints yet when there are no black people in soaps no-one cares.
      Well beggars can’t be choosers, right? If you want to want to watch Eastenders do, and if you don’t…put down the beer and get your lazy self of the sofa long enough to change the channel.

    92. Roger — on 4th April, 2009 at 11:38 am  

      Don:
      It could be called ‘piggybacking’, but it’s hardly factual to represent European advancement as such. The East (particularly China) built a different kind of ‘advanced civilisation’ to that which eventually arose in the West.
      European advancement can be played down as well as up, but the facts are clear: modern science is a European achievement - we can all reinterpret history to show how some things were almost created in another civilisation at some point, but this is foolishness. The intellectual conditions certainly employed classical Greek approaches to enquiry and made use of advances originally produced by others, like Arabic mathematics, but it was Europe that made the leap, like it or not. The successful harnessing of electricity, advanced physics (enough to make a moon landing), are al European achievements (the key scientists at NASA were Europeans, some Nazis).
      Modern printing is another. Korea’s printing only went so far, to block prints, but moveable type printing, which revolutionised communications is a clearly European achievement.

      This doesn’t make Europe more moral or a higher form of human being, and it doesn’t wipe out the achievements of every great preceding civilisation and culture East or West. The alternative interpretations of history simply drive a wedge between people from a different position.

      As to the thread in question, I too just saw it as Patrick and family discussing life as they have experienced it.

    93. Laura — on 18th April, 2009 at 12:56 pm  

      Oh dear… Seems Lauren’s gone all quiet… to all of you above, why are you letting her bother you? Leave her to it! She’s nobody’s concern but her own.

      Love to us ALL! :-)

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