USA: its 2wards mexicans (latino) and blacks
Uk: iTS mainly towards asians , blacks get on better in uk for some reason even thaght high crime in black area in uk.
Australia: its 2wards orientals.,aboriginal and lebonese communities even greek
New Zeland: racism 2wards mowrey

White are immigrants to USA ,New zealand and Australia

Why is it a trend that all these white western countries have with minority communities ?

Think about it!

I think that Sabina makes a good point that for some people there is a frustration that political-level discussions are done in a code which some people feel is constricting and some people feel misrepresents them. And a lot of people will say they don’t care, don’t fall into any of these categories or whatever.

It is the nature of political representation that it’ll reduce the diversity of human experience, the nature of elite political discourse that it will exclude some ideas and the nature of communication that we’ll misunderstand each other a lot. So what can we do?

I think we have to try to solve our social problems and conflicts without relying on the State. Speaking up in the political sphere might open up some space for new ideas for a while, but usually seems to end up with being misunderstood and marginalised, or learning the diplomatic codes and becoming part of the problem despite yourself.

Blogs seem quite good, as do intercultural events (yes, some of us actually go to them), but we normally want to stay in our comfort zone – and inter-cultural events might be part of that for me! How often do we want to leave our comfort zones? Not often.

I think I feel like Jay Singh, that we have enough things to think about. But then, as human beings who want to make a difference, I think the difference we can most easily make is in how we treat one another. Becoming part of the political system may have some merit, but not if you have to start playing by rules which devalue your political opponents.

Multicuturalism is part of the global experience and so vital to the progression of the human species. We need to integrate, not segregate.

Perhaps I didn’t express myself clearly enough. I was referring to the idea that only someone from ‘your community’ be it indian or muslim can represent your interests better.

Monty passes the cricket test!

Well, if the candidate is suitable, the kind of person who would not want a capable person of Indian or Muslim background to represent them simply because of their race would be a racist, Raul.

A lot of multiculturalism is communities and more often that not a perception of what they would like to be, it is more fiction than reality. A tyranny of ideals. How many of us think about culture or identity as a part of our daily lives. Or ever. I think people respond to individuals and not communities. I for instance am least interested in religion or understand the word culture but that doesn’t mean I’m racist or treat people differently. I respond to individuals not muslims or christians or whatever.

Discrimination and racism exists in all societies, in India the caste system, in Pakistan sectarianism, I suspect some people or groups of people always discriminate or are discriminated against and sometimes the same people can belong to the 2 groups.

I think this is visible in all societies. Some Indians for instance love to feel morally superior to white people, its like we love our families more, we love our kids more which is as stupid as it can get. This is common with a lot of asians, the need to feel morally superior. To think of white women as ‘loose’ or morally inferior. It’s clearly visible in the way Bollywood portrays white people. for instance. Sometime I feel it really boils down to sex and the inability of some societies to come to terms with it.

Well, now the Hindu ‘community leaders’ have learnt how to play the tune just like the Sikh ‘community leaders’ have. Just like the template laid down for ‘undestanding the Muslim community’ with all those quangos and blind alleys. It is so pathetic. What is wrong with these people? Dont they have any idea of the culture they are creating? Things are going to get worst because on the whole, these people are not the best from their people, they are the worst, with their own agendas and chips on shoulders. Idiots!

There is a whole generation of settlers who have lived in this country for a lifetime and have not engaged with the host community. A lot of them are handicapped by not having learnt the language. Nobody has ever heard how and what they feel.

Women who came here as young brides and stayed behind the four walls, spending their time watching television in their own language and hankering after a homeland they have left behind.

Anne Cryer has plenty to say about this kind of thing, but she gets called racist for speaking her mind.

But this also reinforces the assumption that to be of an “ethnic” origin or of other religions is to be in some way disabled, and thus in need of special care and attention.

Speaking of which…

http://www.hinduforum.org/

Home Office funds first UK research into Hindu Identity

The Hindu Forum of Britain in partnership with the Runnymede Trust are conducting the first ever government-funded UK research project aimed at understanding the issues and aspirations of today’s Hindu youth, women, elders and community organisations in areas including access to public services, education, health, employment, funding, regeneration, integration, cohesion and equal opportunities.

Oh crap. Dipshit New Labour are sowing (trying to anyway) the seeds of communalism in Britain for the next century.

Robert: you said “multiculturalism is not so much an ideology, but simply describing a fact of life”. It’s both, surely? Britain today is multi-ethnic and multi-cultural (in the big cities at least). That fact raises the question – how do we deal with the problems and opportunities that result from that fact? Multiculturalism (as ideology) is the name we give to the background assumptions that set the boundaries for policies which respond to that question. Sabina suggests those background assumptions are/ have been flawed. The most important point is the linguistic one: the word ‘handicapped’ fits the bill. Perhaps there needs to be a much more active effort to provide free English-language training to anyone who needs it (the carrot) plus (eventually) ceasing to provide information about services in other languages (the stick). Or is that an over-reaction? Are there other ways to ensure that the silent ones get a voice?

Its certainly not just a Muslim issue either, just go to Melton Road in Leicester and spot the white person ? I would say that most second generation Asians born and bred here will mostly have mates who are the same as them (i.e. 2nd gen Asians). This isen’t a bad thing as such as long as you can integrate properly in the workplace and society.

However you cant force people to just ‘get along’ there is no quick fix answer. People wont just become friends because they are put in the same room.

Bit of a generalisations that, I’ve met plenty of Muslims that have clarified their position on a whole host of issues. Maybe the writer hasn’t a wide spread experience of the various Muslim communities in this country?

In all honesty my argument is with people who have a problem with immigration for cultural reasons. I don’t want to hear about simple ‘toleration’ or cultures ‘living side by side’. We should be bold enough to declare immigration is good for the country and should be encouraged…. and have reasons x y and z ready for those who would disagree. This is better than the apologetic or victim mentality that Sabina describes.

busy getting their heads down … they are more worried about putting food on the table.

Which I think gives a pertinent answer to Raw Data’s point above – “why don’t they leave”.