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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/3350#comment-151510</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sofia, yes exactly. As if &quot;Muslims&quot; as a bloc were pure as the driven snow when they arrived on these shores and have become progressively more corrupt on exposure to government funding and modern kitchen appiances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sofia, yes exactly. As if &#8220;Muslims&#8221; as a bloc were pure as the driven snow when they arrived on these shores and have become progressively more corrupt on exposure to government funding and modern kitchen appiances.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/3350#comment-151508</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>further corrupt muslim organisational ...hahahaha...i reckon maulvis from back home and retired pakistani men started the ball rolling on that one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>further corrupt muslim organisational &#8230;hahahaha&#8230;i reckon maulvis from back home and retired pakistani men started the ball rolling on that one</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/3350#comment-151507</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fug...well each to their own i suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fug&#8230;well each to their own i suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/3350#comment-151506</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &#039;no shit sherlock&#039; moment

http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/News/DailyBulletin/883205/Women-poorly-represented-mosque-boards-survey-finds/CBFE3B3DF38E883A59A2DF5C92D526BD/?DCMP=EMC-DailyBulletin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8216;no shit sherlock&#8217; moment</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/News/DailyBulletin/883205/Women-poorly-represented-mosque-boards-survey-finds/CBFE3B3DF38E883A59A2DF5C92D526BD/?DCMP=EMC-DailyBulletin" rel="nofollow">http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/News/DailyBulletin/883205/Women-poorly-represented-mosque-boards-survey-finds/CBFE3B3DF38E883A59A2DF5C92D526BD/?DCMP=EMC-DailyBulletin</a></p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
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		<dc:creator>fug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who touches PVE money has lowered themselves. They should solve their funding problem themselves, not cheat in order that they may be both socially inbred and suited and booted.

PVE is intended to further corrupt muslim organisational culture in this country. Kudos to the real heroes who are totally blanking it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who touches PVE money has lowered themselves. They should solve their funding problem themselves, not cheat in order that they may be both socially inbred and suited and booted.</p>
<p>PVE is intended to further corrupt muslim organisational culture in this country. Kudos to the real heroes who are totally blanking it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked with an nisa in the past and although the organisation has many faults..(like most organisations).it has been doing lots of really good work. They were talking about this whole Muslim communities work 15 years ago..maybe these stupid politicians should have been listening to them instead of the local mosques that have done jack shit for local muslim communities apart from &#039;allow&#039; them some place to pray...
I&#039;m also working with local muslim women as part of the whole pve umbrella and most if not all of us think the use of terminology like &#039;pve&#039; is completely counter productive...but since when has government ever used the &#039;right&#039; terminology...it&#039;s the work that is being carried out that is important...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked with an nisa in the past and although the organisation has many faults..(like most organisations).it has been doing lots of really good work. They were talking about this whole Muslim communities work 15 years ago..maybe these stupid politicians should have been listening to them instead of the local mosques that have done jack shit for local muslim communities apart from &#8216;allow&#8217; them some place to pray&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m also working with local muslim women as part of the whole pve umbrella and most if not all of us think the use of terminology like &#8216;pve&#8217; is completely counter productive&#8230;but since when has government ever used the &#8216;right&#8217; terminology&#8230;it&#8217;s the work that is being carried out that is important&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dave bones</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/3350#comment-151485</link>
		<dc:creator>dave bones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...and will offer constructive recommendations as to what the government should be doing.&lt;/i&gt;

something to look forward to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;and will offer constructive recommendations as to what the government should be doing.</i></p>
<p>something to look forward to</p>
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		<title>By: inders</title>
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		<dc:creator>inders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had some CTU officers turn up for a talk at my workplace last week.  Lovely chaps on a personal basis but the strategy is wrong.

I actually did point out that they&#039;re not going to get Muslim people involved to be simply talked at like potential terrorists.

Theres no way I would personally refer community people I work with onto the police with that agenda.  I&#039;d come out looking like a ****head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had some CTU officers turn up for a talk at my workplace last week.  Lovely chaps on a personal basis but the strategy is wrong.</p>
<p>I actually did point out that they&#8217;re not going to get Muslim people involved to be simply talked at like potential terrorists.</p>
<p>Theres no way I would personally refer community people I work with onto the police with that agenda.  I&#8217;d come out looking like a ****head.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve explained everything in the document, though I suspect if you had a chat with them this could be explained more. It probably requires some sort of a panel discussion to bring out some of these issues.

Also, I agree on Om&#039;s worry - the whole point of a voluntary civic sector is that it is self-sustaining and funded. Otherwise its just PVE money flowing in different guises.

Leon, can&#039;t say :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve explained everything in the document, though I suspect if you had a chat with them this could be explained more. It probably requires some sort of a panel discussion to bring out some of these issues.</p>
<p>Also, I agree on Om&#8217;s worry &#8211; the whole point of a voluntary civic sector is that it is self-sustaining and funded. Otherwise its just PVE money flowing in different guises.</p>
<p>Leon, can&#8217;t say <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;4. Prioritise addressing Islamophobia and Institutional anti-Muslim discrimination (Islamophobia)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Telling Anjem Choudhary and his cohorts to shut the hell up would probably be a good idea, for a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>4. Prioritise addressing Islamophobia and Institutional anti-Muslim discrimination (Islamophobia)</p></blockquote>
<p>Telling Anjem Choudhary and his cohorts to shut the hell up would probably be a good idea, for a start.</p>
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		<title>By: Om</title>
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		<dc:creator>Om</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Facilitate the building of local infrastructure in the Muslim community through, for example, the development of a Muslim voluntary sector that will cater for a wide variety of Muslims needs... This will enable the Muslim community to take the lead on its own issues and concerns and engage on an equal basis.&quot;

Um.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Facilitate the building of local infrastructure in the Muslim community through, for example, the development of a Muslim voluntary sector that will cater for a wide variety of Muslims needs&#8230; This will enable the Muslim community to take the lead on its own issues and concerns and engage on an equal basis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, but this last point

&quot;Furthermore, the pot is encouraging some Muslim â€˜entrepreneursâ€™ to come forward and create projects while pretending they know what theyâ€™re doing. And they get away with it by accusing others of not being Muslim enough to bid for the money.&quot;

with the 5 points for &quot;extremism&quot; being linked to funding asmentioned in a previous post - 

i think the issue is people will be &quot;too Muslim&quot; to get the funding and not vice versa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, but this last point</p>
<p>&#8220;Furthermore, the pot is encouraging some Muslim â€˜entrepreneursâ€™ to come forward and create projects while pretending they know what theyâ€™re doing. And they get away with it by accusing others of not being Muslim enough to bid for the money.&#8221;</p>
<p>with the 5 points for &#8220;extremism&#8221; being linked to funding asmentioned in a previous post &#8211; </p>
<p>i think the issue is people will be &#8220;too Muslim&#8221; to get the funding and not vice versa</p>
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		<title>By: Niels C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niels C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Prioritise addressing Islamophobia and Institutional anti-Muslim discrimination (Islamophobia) within mainstream agencies such as within central government, local authorities, health services, police and others&quot; - 

What about the other way around ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Prioritise addressing Islamophobia and Institutional anti-Muslim discrimination (Islamophobia) within mainstream agencies such as within central government, local authorities, health services, police and others&#8221; &#8211; </p>
<p>What about the other way around ?</p>
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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
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		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The suggestions;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
1. Rethink its strategy towards the Muslim community. It should cease dealing with the whole Muslim community through the prism of anti-terrorism but rather as citizens who need the support of their government and through mainstream
strategies.

2. Cease linking community cohesion and community development to counter terrorism. This approach risks de-legitimising much needed community building of
the Muslim community. Security measures should be separate and distinct so that there is no doubt as to their objectives.

3. Promote the mainstreaming of initiatives targeting Muslims as a socially excluded community, as separate and distinct from PVE, and make it core business. Prioritise community development, community cohesion, social inclusion and capacity building for the Muslim community through the mainstream. Set targets in strategies and plans both nationally and locally so that progress can be monitored.

4. Prioritise addressing Islamophobia and Institutional anti-Muslim discrimination (Islamophobia) within mainstream agencies such as within central government, local authorities, health services, police and others.

5. Facilitate the building of local infrastructure in the Muslim community through, for example, the development of a Muslim voluntary sector that will cater for a wide variety of Muslims needs. The voluntary sector will then have the capacity to
formulate itself into community-led grassroots local advocacy and consultative forums and eventually national representative bodies. Such a programme will
provide tangible relief to distressed local Muslim communities and directly affect their quality of life, increase engagement and give people a stake in society as citizens and not as â€˜pariahs.â€™ This will enable the Muslim community to take the lead on its own issues and concerns and engage on an equal basis.

6. Bring together Britainâ€™s diverse communities to work to address the wider issues that are affecting all of us including what is causing large numbers of young people, from different communities, to feel hostile and alienated from society.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A bit &lt;b&gt;vague&lt;/b&gt; don&#039;t you think?

I mean I can comprehend the english, but what does it all mean? how do you do any of the things they&#039;ve suggested should be done. A nice bullet point list would have been better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The suggestions;</p>
<blockquote><p>
1. Rethink its strategy towards the Muslim community. It should cease dealing with the whole Muslim community through the prism of anti-terrorism but rather as citizens who need the support of their government and through mainstream<br />
strategies.</p>
<p>2. Cease linking community cohesion and community development to counter terrorism. This approach risks de-legitimising much needed community building of<br />
the Muslim community. Security measures should be separate and distinct so that there is no doubt as to their objectives.</p>
<p>3. Promote the mainstreaming of initiatives targeting Muslims as a socially excluded community, as separate and distinct from PVE, and make it core business. Prioritise community development, community cohesion, social inclusion and capacity building for the Muslim community through the mainstream. Set targets in strategies and plans both nationally and locally so that progress can be monitored.</p>
<p>4. Prioritise addressing Islamophobia and Institutional anti-Muslim discrimination (Islamophobia) within mainstream agencies such as within central government, local authorities, health services, police and others.</p>
<p>5. Facilitate the building of local infrastructure in the Muslim community through, for example, the development of a Muslim voluntary sector that will cater for a wide variety of Muslims needs. The voluntary sector will then have the capacity to<br />
formulate itself into community-led grassroots local advocacy and consultative forums and eventually national representative bodies. Such a programme will<br />
provide tangible relief to distressed local Muslim communities and directly affect their quality of life, increase engagement and give people a stake in society as citizens and not as â€˜pariahs.â€™ This will enable the Muslim community to take the lead on its own issues and concerns and engage on an equal basis.</p>
<p>6. Bring together Britainâ€™s diverse communities to work to address the wider issues that are affecting all of us including what is causing large numbers of young people, from different communities, to feel hostile and alienated from society.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>A bit <b>vague</b> don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>I mean I can comprehend the english, but what does it all mean? how do you do any of the things they&#8217;ve suggested should be done. A nice bullet point list would have been better.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(disclosure: Iâ€™ve also been part of a project myself)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(disclosure: Iâ€™ve also been part of a project myself)</p></blockquote>
<p>Which one?</p>
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