Not really PapaHomer.

Maybe you have been smoking some of that dodgy spliff yourself.

I have been partial to the odd spliff occasionally but that only makes me think better. Though I haven’t smoked for months now so I can’t say it applies in this case

I have no doubt at all that prosecution was mooted for the Tipton 3, but considering how difficult it would have been to secure a conviction the idea was canned

Yes, because they had nothing to base their convictions on. The fact they wanted a conviction doesn’t imply culpability. Try and remember that sometimes.

That does not mean that they weren’t Jihadis. Your patently absurd excuses won’t wash

But you’re clearly sure they are, just because they went to Afghanistan? It seems you’re the one looking for a bogeyman, not me. I’m not making excuses, you’re simply pointing the finger without evidence. I’m just saying you don’t know what went on inside their heads.

What does being a Curry’s worker have to do with anything?
Because the Americans were sure he was in Afghanistan in 2000. But it was proven he was working in the UK at the time.

Rizwan is an actor..so what? He’s still associating with Jihadis.

By being an actor? You’re off your fucking trolley. Get a grip. If I portray a murderer in a drama tomorrow I should be questioned for associating with murderers? Like I said, Saudi Arabians are more likely to pander to your way of thinking.

he was obviously prepared for it considering how quickly he managed to get hold of Clive Stafford-Smith and Gareth Pierce.

Given that he was travelling with Michael Winterbottom, that’s hardly too difficult. If you’re considering becoming a lawyer, I’d look for another day job.

This weekend i’m going to Amsterdam, stoner capital of the world. There’s a strong possibilty that on my return i will get pulled by customs, have my person and my luggage seached, and be asked detailed questions about what i got up to while i was there

Really? I’ve been to AmDam quite a few times now, never happened to me. Do they have your name on file as a regular stoner, because you certainly sound like it by the logic of your post.

As I said in my previous post, it would require a series of further attacks (or one really horrific, major incident) for the local governments to take more extreme measures. “Gas chambers etc” — hell no, but in the worst case scenario I can foresee mass deportations, although it would take a hell of a lot for matters to reach that extreme. And that would only occur if it was proven beyond any doubt that, at the time, there is a sufficient degree of treasonous support & activity amongst the MAJORITY of local Muslims for them to be a clear & present threat to national security. Which, of course, is not the case.

On a more international level, I do think that the jihadists underestimate the lengths that Western nations will go to in order to defend their citizens and to protect their way of life, if they are pushed to that extreme. Again, this doesn’t mean Nazi-style exterminations or concentration camps etc, but there is a possibility of more radical military actions if there are no other options. There are precedents for this, especially WW2. In any case, Western countries and their populations are a lot tougher than the jihadists think, and although — at present — they are actually not being as heavy-handed as they could be (certainly compared to how some other countries would react if in the same position), they would not be willing to go down easily. If the worst came to worst, I can imagine them taking some very difficult military decisions in the interests of self-defence.

Lets taken the causes not the symtoms.

Dot heads please note.

Sunny, I hope you are correct about it just being paranoia. I am intrigued by your comment as to how many others are thinking the same.

None of those are actually banned… but to make out as if your world is threatened because you believe in the Muslim bogeyman Bijna – that’s just downright stupid. and obtuse, and bigoted.

I know you are not making these rules or blowing stuff up, so I am wating my time here :]

You’re wasting your time here anyway. You don’t come here to discuss, only to spread bigotry. 99% of the time people ignore you.

But I am similarly worried about the de-humanisation of Muslims in a way that has happened for longer to young blacks in this country. “He’s driving a beamer, he must be a criminal”, sort of attitude. Muslims get stopped by the police at airports, young black kids get stopped every day much more than other minority groups.

Homer:
I don’t think anybody is saying everyone who has been in Gitmo is guilty. Innocent people end up in jail everywhere. Saying that everyone who has been released was innocent is equally foolish.

Someone did mention above that the guy detained was just an actor. It might help reading how we was treated then.

Secondly, your argument is slightly bizarre. I assume then that if a person is not found guilty of murder, there is a chance they may murder in the future, therefore they should be treated with suspicion all the time? You do realise this has the opposite impact of radicalising men and making them hate the system even more?

The Tipton Three and others have become more religious thanks to the American administration. I expect you don’t really care about that?

Thats the sound of covers blowing.

It seems seems feeling marginalised is part of the
Muslim DNA. They are very quick to use the racist
word, even if they are wrong, for example when
stopped while boarding a train without a ticket.

> Today I read in the Independent that the BNP
> will be using the ‘cartoons’ on their racist
> posters for the local elections in May.

Did I just spoke about the overuse of the
word racist by Muslims?

It sounds like BNP stands for freedom.
At the moment the cartoons are one of the
biggest symbols of freedom.

Its not racist to want freedom.
The freedom to have a piglet lunch box.
The freedom to have a Yahoo nick called Callahan
(it contains Allah so its banned).

Many small new rules trinkling in, and all because Muslims are blowing stuff up.

Ah yes, I must be racist.

I always tell those cross-dressing Muslims that the beards have got to go.

Second in epical proportion only to Jai’s other plea to the great unwashed:

“I’m not a Muslim. All Asians are not Muslims.”

I always pee myself when I see that.

I am sick to death of them. I was seriously disturbed by that nut-case who ran off to Lebanon (I think linked also to Anjem Choudhary) – only then to be back in my living room giving interviews courtesy Channel 4 and others.

As for the idea of having sharia in certain areas – well how much of that am I to believe? But then the real question is how much of that does the general public believe, and will it feature in the BNP propaganda? I suspect it will be at the top of their list – given they will be targetting the poorest communities in the UK.

What can I say to reassure you? I don’t have anything to say to reassure you if that is the way you are inclined to think.

Do you really think people are motivated here to get at Muslims indiscriminately? There is a problem and the reason why the Muslim far-right has to be tackled and their apologists too is because they push us all to the precipice where the real Nazi dogs are salivating ready for us to fall so they can attack. This has to be dealt with.

Singh thing. I like that.

However, my namesake usually makes some astute and pertinent points, so let’s see what he has to say too.

Large numbers of people allegedly supporting the idea of Shariah being implemented in the UK, along with Anjem Choudhary and his “colleagues” repeatedly appearing on mainstream news channels and openly declaring their aspirations to turn the UK into an Islamic state, probably doesn’t help matters.