No these are “the facts” according to Ravi Naik.

Except that you didn’t actually state which of these facts are inaccurate.

Or are you suggesting the cartoon of the “prophet” with a turban in the shape of a bomb wasnt offensive ?

Depends how you interpret it. But the real question is whether we can have a platform where people can express their opinion about Muhammed, Jesus, Buddha… even if it will cause offence because you believe differently. Why your opinion should trump others?

You are seriously suggesting that people in Muslim nations wouldnt have been able to find out if these extra images had been added.

Yes, I am seriously saying that. Not only that, they fooled the BBC as well, and other media.

In any case Ravi how does that change the undeniable fact that Jylands Posten refused to publish cartoons of Jesus (pbuh) as it may cause offensive, refused to publich holocaust cartoons and have a history of supporting the Nazis? They seem as much advocates of free speech as Geert “Ban the Quran” Wilders.

That’s irrelevant, including your pathetic attempt of going as back as 60 years ago. I do not consider them as advocates of free speech, and I do not think the cartoons are tasteless. And I believe the sneaky imams added two tasteless pictures in their dossier precisely because they felt that the original cartoons were not offensive enough.

No these are “the facts” according to Ravi Naik. Im not condoning the violent reaction to the cartoons (though protesting them in other ways was quite legitamate) but the initial 12 cartoons were offensive enough. Danish Muslim organizations pretty much protested them from the outset. Or are you suggesting the cartoon of the “prophet” with a turban in the shape of a bomb wasnt offensive ?

You are seriously suggesting that people in Muslim nations wouldnt have been able to find out if these extra images had been added.

In any case Ravi how does that change the undeniable fact that Jylands Posten refused to publish cartoons of Jesus (pbuh) as it may cause offensive, refused to publich holocaust cartoons and have a history of supporting the Nazis? They seem as much advocates of free speech as Geert “Ban the Quran” Wilders.

You have failed to answer that then gone off on a tangent

It commisioned and published the Muhammed cartoons while refusing to publish carttons against Jesus (pbuh) as it might offend

Here are the facts: the Muhammed cartoons were published in Denmark, and they even appeared in a Egyptian newspaper. Nothing… no one cared about them. Then, two Danish imans added two extra cartoons, one in which Muhammed was being sodomised by a dog, and another where he was depicted as a pig. And they went to complain in Muslim world that Denmark was attacking Islam. This is when everything erupted.

This probably explains his fanatic Kolkata Bengali culturo-political leanings and obsessive hatred of Jamaat. Although this certainly does not excuse being blind to others sufferings eg. Palestinian and blind support for extreme rightwing Zionists eg. Wilders, HP etc.

I’ve think a truth and reconciliation commission needs to be set up to document all the killings during the Liberation War and subsequent political violence. It would give solace to people like Sid and perhaps give them closure.

Yeah! You can do the same thing for italics – just substitute an i for the word blockquote and remember to close it in the same way too. A b gets you bold.

Now I’d like someone to tell me how they can make a word into a clickable link instead of my horrible http monstrosities!

Sid demonising Muslims is “honest and objective”

But he’s not “demonising Muslims”. Nobody here is — not Sid, not Shamit, and certainly not me. None of us have ever done so. Someone criticising a select group of Muslims is not the same as someone condemning Muslims en masse. The same obviously cannot be said of Geert Wilders, who has a clear and potentially very dangerous agenda towards the followers of Islam full-stop.

You see, this is the point. And yet, in your paranoid, ego-fuelled mental state, you just don’t get it, do you ?

only bigoted non-Muslims (or Muslims) and I couldnt give a shit what they think

Of course, a “bigoted non-Muslim (or Muslim)” is anyone who contradicts your twisted version of history or points out your own hypocrisy and imperialist mindset, or who honestly criticises any aspects of Islam, or who says anything negative about a select group of Muslims which you then decide to extrapolate and interpret as being a generalised condemnation of Muslims en masse. How convenient.

No thats what you are doing.

Yet more bullshit. Provide one example where I have stated that it is acceptable to commit atrocities against Muslims, or when I have stated that I am “extremely proud” of the subjugation of any other groups by my own.

As for your references to “my group” — You don’t even know what “my group” is, do you ?

Perhaps you could tell us which actions of your co-religionists you are ashamed of. I doubt you will. You failed to answer my questin about whetehr there is a conflict in the world today involving Muslims which you think Muslims have justice on their side on

And you failed to answer a whole series of questions I asked you in multiple posts throughout that thread after I warned you that the line of argument you were attempting to pursue was about to blow up in your face. We’ve all noticed that your response to my last few posts addressed to you there was silence too.

I think this whole issue should make decent people reflect on how much hatred there is of Muslims in this land.

Yes, tragically there is these days, and it’s something that non-Muslim Asians have also had to bear the brunt of, since the rednecks don’t give a damn about differentiating between any of us and are frequently looking for an excuse to act on their existing bigotry towards non-white people (“Paki” has simply been replaced by “Muslim” as an expletive in the eyes of such people).

As I said before, I wonder if you even realise that your own attitudes and behaviour are playing their part in fuelling Islamophobia in those so inclined amongst this blog’s viewing and commenting audience. Tragically, it’s obvious that you don’t.

Wow its you that is lying
When did I say that

Your knowledge of the last 1000 years of the subcontinent’s history is staggeringly deficient, for a start. Unless you’ve just been pretending ignorance. The jury’s still out on that.

I never denied Muslims have done anything negative to non-Muslims.

Bullshit. See above.

I also wonder what relevance it has when discussing atrocities against Muslims.

It is extremely relevant when you start using attacks against Muslims as an opportunity to start screaming “Zionism”, “Nazism” and “Hindutva”, despite the fact that you’ve openly stated that you’re “extremely proud” of the subjugation of non-Muslims in the subcontinent by imperialist Muslims during the region’s medieval period. It’s unbelievable that you don’t have the self-awareness to see the hypocrisy here.

Even more so when you feign ignorance of the unprovoked aggression, atrocities and brutality that were often involved in order to achieve imperial supremacy during that era (unless you think that what’s recently been happening to the people of Gaza never happened on an even worse scale to the inhabitants of besieged cities and regions on the receiving end of Muslim imperial territorial expansion), along with having the stupidity and insensitivity to actually sneer to the descendents of people who suffered under such tyranny that they should “get over it”. Or are you forgetting your initial smug remark to me on the other thread, despite the fact that at the time I had not even mentioned Muslims or India ?

It would be like a German person making similar comments to a Jewish person in relation to the Third Reich, or an English person smirking at Africans or Asians in relation to the British Empire.

It’s also interesting that you still don’t acknowledge the parallels (and injustices) that were involved in the creation of both Israel and Pakistan, since both were formed as religiously-affiliated states and resulted in the displacement of huge numbers of other people who’d already been there for an extremely long time. Unless you think that what happened to the Hindu and Sikh population of what is now Pakistan “wasn’t as bad as what happened to the Palestinians” simply because percentage-wise there were already more Muslims there compared to the proportion of Jewish people at the time in what is now Israel.

I suspect it is because you
would like to use that as a cover for them.

Prove it.

You’re the one who’s using a catalogue of grievances as a cover for your own bigotry, not to mention showing signs of extreme paranoia in relation to your inappropriate outbursts of “Hindutva fascist”, “anti-Muslim”, etc etc etc.

You’re also the one who said he was “extremely proud” of Muslim imperial rule in India, whilst refusing to express any regret about the methods that were used to facilitate and expand the empire’s territorial expansion and the atrocities that occurred under some of its rulers, and indeed claiming complete ignorance of the latter despite the fact that these events are extensively documented and extremely well-known. I notice that your response to an extensive list of examples (as requested by you) was complete silence.

You’re like the Muslim equivalent of a Holocaust denier. Seriously.

BTW you never did mention the negative aspects of Sikh Rule in India.

Oh yes I did. Don’t try to play games.

‘When did Israel invoke the Talmud to attack Hamas?’ lets not widen the debate.

Its bad enough trying to get 5 consecutive comments on the same subject.

“Ah the Jews, yes. When did Israel invoke the Talmud to attack Hamas?”

The whole basis for Israel taking the Palestinians land (rather than say the Germans) is that it was the land given to them by God in the Torah

“When has anybody in the past few years justified mass murder on the basis of religion?”

LOL why restrict to the past few years? Israels holy terror has been going on for 60.

-It commisioned and published the Muhammed cartoons while refusing to publish carttons against Jesus (pbuh) as it might offend
- It cried free speech then refused to print the Iranian holocaust cartoons
- It was a ban of Hitler

A Jyllands-Posten headline, “Germans must be found right to get rid of the Jews” in 1938, supported the Hitler administration’s looting of Jewish workplaces, destroying graveyards and detaining 26,000 people.

A few years previously, the paper had published a special supplement apologizing for its publications against democracy.

The following comment was published on 9 March 1933: “Nobody shall cry in vain. Those voters who had enough of the misuse of parliamentarian democracy gave up on the democratic principles and moved over to Hitler’s side. They will fight against the parliamentary system together with Hitler.”

Jyllands-Posten, in a commentary dated 17 May 1933, used the expressions “Danes should take the model of the Italians and the Germans. Democracy is a method that can be out into practice during the easy times, but it is a luxury during a crisis periods. What is needed is an iron blow. The Danish people will follow the model of Mussolini and dismiss all the politicians,” and invited the fascist dictatorship to come to Denmark.

On 1 May 1933, Jyllands-Posten welcomed the imprisonment of labor union leaders and the confiscation of their properties in Germany with the expressions “The problem has now been solved. Jews have been excluded, the labor unions have been forced to join the Nazis, the communists and socialism has been eradicated.”

The newspaper found the Nazis “using their own methods” to solve “the Jewish problem” as “acceptable.”

In his book titled, “Anti-Semitism in Denmark,” Christian Lammers from the University of Copenhagen wrote, “After the ‘crystal night’ incidents against the Jews, Germany’s intentions to cut all ties with the Jews should be viewed as the right decision. It should act rightly and properly while realizing this, while setting forth its conditions.”

http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=2006030607251789

But perhaps like Mad Mel has forgiven the Hitler supporting Daily Mail now they are anti-Muslim other Muslim haters do likewise with JP

I dont agree. It should be a free choice to wear or not to wear something your hero Wilders and the Taliban appear to disagree with

How do you feel about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and decades of slaughter and discrimination they have faced at the hands of a racist aparthied Jewish state Marvin?