Valentine supporters fight back


by Rumbold
11th February, 2009 at 8:27 pm    

In the aftermath of the Mangalore attacks, and the campaign to send pink underwear to Sri Ram Sena, the group Save the Earth Foundation has promised to deploy martial-arts trained volunteers to protect courting couples from thugs:

“In groups of five or six people, at least ten teams of young men and women, trained in tactics of self defence will patrol major areas in Delhi and will be particularly vigilant against attacks on gift galleries that house special paraphernalia for Valentines Day.”


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  1. Ashik — on 11th February, 2009 at 9:05 pm  

    Great, one group of vigilanties against another.

    Public shows of affection ie. holding hands or kissing in public is a strict no-no for the majority of Indians who want to maintain a certain public decorum and reserve. In a society where arranged marriage tends to be the norm, unmarried couples ‘going out’ can often cause controversy.

    The Ram Sena activists should eschew violence and work through public opinion which is on the side of morality to pressure the political parties into acting against scenes of public obsenity, which many fear Valentines Day can lead to.

  2. Refresh — on 11th February, 2009 at 9:11 pm  

    I misread a line:

    ‘Save the Earth Foundation has promised to deploy martial-arts trained volunteers to protect courting couples from hugs’

  3. Ravi Naik — on 11th February, 2009 at 9:56 pm  

    Great, one group of vigilanties against another.

    Yes, one group beats women, and the other offers pink panties. Oh them vigilantes are all the same…

    Public shows of affection ie. holding hands or kissing in public is a strict no-no for the majority of Indians who want to maintain a certain public decorum and reserve.

    Actually, such attitudes are changing and fast. Which is why those thugs are frustrated and resort to violence.

  4. Amrit — on 12th February, 2009 at 12:18 am  

    LMAO. Sorry. I think this is great, but seriously – martial-arts trained Cupids?

    As the saying goes… ‘Only in India!’

  5. Golam Murtaza — on 12th February, 2009 at 7:06 am  

    I liked the pink pants idea. Thuggish bigots deserve all the contempt and ridicule civilised people are capable of dishing out.

  6. platinum786 — on 12th February, 2009 at 10:48 am  

    hahaha… throwing panties at them, excellent.

    1 question, will they be new, or worn?

  7. Shamit — on 12th February, 2009 at 11:02 am  

    Ashik

    “the majority of Indians who want to maintain a certain public decorum and reserve”

    I think you missed a phrase (over the age of 50). India has a large young population and I think they might disagree with you as would most of the young politicians.

    The sad old men who never seemed to have any fun enjoy bringing the morality argument when logic fails kinda like Uncle Ashik here.

    btw, I am yet to understand what danger does valentine’s day bring to society or Indian culture.

  8. SKye-Vee — on 12th February, 2009 at 11:04 am  

    Well they won’t have to buy underwear for a while. Maybe that was what they wanted. Free panties, I mean we are in a global economic crisis. I fear some of these repressed zealots would develop a lingering lingerie fetish.

    Maybe these thugs need hugs to warm their cold hearts, or maybe that would heat their hot heads.

    I sympathise with the The Consortium of Pub-going, Loose and Forward Women. I ain’t had the freedom to go to the pub for months.

  9. platinum786 — on 12th February, 2009 at 11:51 am  

    What the Hinduvata parties should be more concerned about is what their values system is changing or being ignored.

    A lot of people say that young Indian people don’t buy into this tranditional way of thinking. But we need to break that down. Are the RSS and Co concerned if Muslim or Sikh kids are doing things like this or is there concern Hindu orientated.

    Furthermore, if that is the case, why are some people loving away from those values? Maybe they should be looking within, seeing the example they are setting, rather than outwards at St Valentines Day or the younger generation.

  10. fug — on 12th February, 2009 at 12:23 pm  

    “we will protect your acceptance of white european culture because we are white in the heart ourselves. Hurrah arent we fly… yaar”

    Good luck to indian couples concluding that valentines day is crass, commercial, autocolonial and fundamentally foolish.

  11. Jai — on 12th February, 2009 at 12:39 pm  

    btw, I am yet to understand what danger does valentine’s day bring to society or Indian culture.

    Shamit, I think it’s because it basically undermines really conservative interpretations of ‘the arranged marriage system’, along with the idea in some quarters that unmarried members of the opposite sex should not socialise outside marriage and definitely shouldn’t get romantically involved.

    Of course, by that token, most Bollywood films from the last 40-50 years, their accompanying songs, and ultra-romantic music like ghazals would also have to be banned.

    and the campaign to send pink underwear to Sri Ram Sena,

    That’s actually really funny. I can only imagine their reactions when the gifts from the Pink Panty Vigilante campaign arrive. It’ll be like some warped Father Ted episode.

    Thug 1: Can I touch one ?

    Senior Thug: No.

    Thug 1: But I’ve never seen one in real life before.

    Senior Thug: Oh, alright, go on then. Only for a minute, though.

    Thug 1 *gingerly fingering a pair*: I don’t know whether to feel outraged or really turned on. Is it wrong to feel both simultaneously ?

    Senior Thug: Okay, I think that’s enough. I’d better…..um…..take these and…..er…..get rid of them. *Surreptitiously stuffs a couple of panties into his pockets and saves them for later*.

    Thug 1: Are you going to keep a pair for Mrs Thug ? It IS Valentine’s Day on Saturday, after all. I’m sure she’d really appreciate it.

    Senior Thug *trying to avoid looking suspicious*: For Mrs Thug. Er, right. Yes. I’ll keep a pair for, er, her.

    *Thug 2 notices Platinum786′s comment on PP: *

    1 question, will they be new, or worn?

    Senior Thug *shouting*: Oi ! Yes, you ! Stop sniffing those ! I warned you about that last time !!!

    Thug 2 *stuttering*: Er, I was just checking.

    Senior Thug: Put those panties down and step away from them slowly. And put your hands where I can see them, goddammit.

    Thug 2: I know we should’ve targetted Christmas instead. At least Santa Claus doesn’t make it hard for me to get to sleep on these hot sweaty nights.

    Thug 1: Speak for yourself, mate.

  12. Jai — on 12th February, 2009 at 1:54 pm  

    Actually, I reckon it would also be really funny for someone to start a mass campaign to email our brave Cupidophobes the URL links for a certain famous lingerie website along with clips of the associated annual fashion shows. That way, they can find out first-hand exactly what ‘secret’ a certain ‘Victoria’ is actually hiding.

    I’m sure they’ll be really outraged on the one hand and, after a bit of sneaky Googling, become very familiar with the charms of Ms Gisele, Ms Adriana and Ms Karolina on the other.

    Unless they’re only fixated on controlling Indian women and their sexuality, in which case they’re probably not thrilled about Vijay Mallaya’s annual Kingfisher calendars either.

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    Ashik,

    re: the following correct comments by Ravi & Shamit:

    I think you missed a phrase (over the age of 50). India has a large young population and I think they might disagree with you as would most of the young politicians.

    Actually, such attitudes are changing and fast.

    Seriously, man. “Night Out” on NDTV24. On most weeknights. You’ll find it really educational.

  13. Shamit — on 12th February, 2009 at 2:16 pm  

    Just switiching on NDTV in my office, I just found out a teenage girl have committed suicide after being taken to a police station for being friends with a Muslim boy. This fucking thugs now have blood on their fucking hands.

    And, apparently, there is this whole bus load of girls going from their colleges to have a drink at this pub and they have openly challenged these Ram Sena thugs to come and try to stop them.

    Ashik, live and let live — what’s so hard for you to accept? please explain. Why do we have to impose any one view on anyone?

    How would you like if BNP and other racist organisations use similar logic on Asians?

  14. Shamit — on 12th February, 2009 at 2:19 pm  

    Jai

    btw, I did read the Al-Jazeera post — god people do have rather bigoted ideas dressed in apparent moderate language.

    And these idiots do have a particularly craven way of looking at society, politics and life in general –

    We are not equal is the message that comes across time and time again from this lot and I am tired of their shit.

  15. Jai — on 12th February, 2009 at 2:47 pm  

    Shamit,

    Yeah I heard about that girl committing suicide too. It’s really tragic. What’s ironic (probably lost on the bigotted perpetrators) is that they’re co-opting the mentality, methods, and ‘moral ideology’ of the Taliban and similar Islamist ‘thought police’ (re: Iran) whilst simultaneously professing extreme hatred of Muslims.

    Regarding the Al-Jazeera post…..I think that certain other people on that thread are either staggeringly ignorant about the subcontinent’s history or they’re on a campaign of propaganda/disinformation (maybe both, to some degree). My point was to expose their double-standards, since it came down to “I’m extremely proud of the instances when my people have subjugated others in the interests of imperialism — and will excuse, justify or (if convenient) even deny it outright — but I’m absolutely outraged when others try to subjugate us, and will hurl accusations of Nazism, Zionism etc etc”.

    Once again, it’s a prime example of the hypocritical mentality of a bully.

  16. Rumbold — on 12th February, 2009 at 8:48 pm  

    Brilliant Jai (#11).

  17. Amrit — on 12th February, 2009 at 8:58 pm  

    I’ll second that ^

    Jai is THE resident comedian. When he drops such gems, I think they should be swiftly poached, posted as posts in their own right, and the author credited, of course. Unless he minds?

  18. Ashik — on 12th February, 2009 at 9:11 pm  

    Jai/Ravi Naik: And NDTV is representative of India, is it? A tiny sliver of Urban Mumbaikers think their men and most especially womenfolk going out with any fella hands clasped together and kissing in public is ok. The rest don’t and if mobalised this group can force political party’s into action. Remember, this is still the India where cheerleaders at IPL games are seen as little better than prostitutes.

    If traditionalists/conservatives are non-violent then how can anybody object to their campaign through political channels rather than desi-style street violence? Obviously the likes of NDTV will not aire their views. But so what.

  19. Desi Italiana — on 12th February, 2009 at 10:27 pm  

    Where is Sonia, my co-slut partner in crime??? We were supposed to set up a similar blog ages ago!

    I have chaddis, but they are thongs. Hope the Sri Ram Sena appreciates them.

  20. Jai — on 12th February, 2009 at 10:43 pm  

    Rumbold & Amrit,

    Thanks for your response to #11. Just some light entertainment ;)

    When he drops such gems, I think they should be swiftly poached, posted as posts in their own right, and the author credited, of course. Unless he minds?

    No I don’t mind.

    ************************

    Ashik,

    And NDTV is representative of India, is it?

    It’s certainly representative of large numbers of those who are relatively affluent. India has an increasing number of young people these days with a bit of spare cash to throw around, as you may have heard.

    A tiny sliver of Urban Mumbaikers think their men and most especially womenfolk going out with any fella hands clasped together and kissing in public is ok.

    As Shamit said, it’s a generational thing. Your statements apply to many (not all) of the 50+ generation but certainly not the younger crowd, especially these days.

    You’re making a lot of misguided claims for someone who isn’t actually Indian. Do you have any relatives in Mumbai or the other major cities in India, or do you know anyone who has lived in the major urban centres for an extended period of time ? Have you ever visited these cities yourself during the past decade ?

  21. Desi Italiana — on 12th February, 2009 at 11:59 pm  

    Presumably, brothels, massive human trafficking for the sex trade, and a vibrant prostitution commerce in India is not worthy of the Sena’s scorn. It’s the women who are drinking and smoking, holding hands with their boyfriends, celebrating Valentines that are the culprit of all the evil in India!

  22. kELvi — on 13th February, 2009 at 5:24 am  

    This is a Hindu vs. Hindu thing. It is Hindu women who are more likely to be seen in a pub than Christian women. There’s a good reason why Valentine’s Day isn’t a problem in Malappuram, Calicut, Manjeri, Aligarh, Lucknow or the Old City in Hyderabad. Muslim men and women can’t be seen together in these cities unless they don’t care for their lives. Of course Desi Eyetie is right. Neither does the Sene care about the oppression of women in India, nor does Asiya Andrabi the budding terrorist theocrat of Srinagar do. A few years back Asiya Andrabi made a huge racket about a sexual harrassment scandal in Srinagar involving a few ministers in hte J&K government. But the lady (who seees no problem with polygamy) piped down when it was found that a few “liberation” leaders too were involved in the shenanigans!

    I am glad the Sene wasn’t around when I wooed my lady love in Bombay years ago, holding hands and declaring my undying love for her with a smooch at Gateway of India.

  23. Desi Italiana — on 13th February, 2009 at 7:39 am  

    Kelvi:

    “This is a Hindu vs. Hindu thing. It is Hindu women who are more likely to be seen in a pub than Christian women.”

    “I am glad the Sene wasn’t around when I wooed my lady love in Bombay years ago, holding hands and declaring my undying love for her with a smooch at Gateway of India.”

    Based on your first premise, you guys were smooching and holding hands because both of you are likely to be Hindu. Besharam. What’s wrong with you guys? You are destroying the integrity and fabric of homegrown, Hindu India.

    P.S. Holding hands in public and smooching at the Gateway of India are not an indigenous Indian (Hindu?) cultural practice.

    P.S.S. And to engage in imported, “foreign” cultural practices in front of the symbol of a subjugated and enslaved rashtra. Adding insult to injury.

    Paap is written all over this mess stemming from declaring your love.

  24. persephone — on 13th February, 2009 at 10:52 am  

    Desi @21 Because the trafficking, prostitution, other sexual activity is hidden etc and not so out in the open as in making overt romantic gestures in public.

    Its the asian way to not admit that an underbelly exists & recognise people as sexual beings – kissing, holding hands in public shows that you are a sexual being & so the pretence cannot be upheld.

    And then it is seen as shameless to do romantic gestures in front of the older generation (many of whom have had many children so must have been doing it themselves …. unless of course we are to believe their children were created thru’ immaculate conception

  25. persephone — on 13th February, 2009 at 11:07 am  

    Behind this opposition to romance is another reason apart from what is called proetcting ‘decorum’ in public. Its a blend of materialism & a wish to control what spouse is brought into the family & engender factors that build the family ‘izzat’ & social prestige.

    Because if you allow romance, you allow people to make an independent choice & for that choice to be based on love. If that happens things like dowries, marrying within caste/class & other factors in the arranged marriage scenario etc would be thrown out.

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