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  • So who’s side are you on, punk?


    by Al-Hack
    13th September, 2005 at 3:44 am    

    Okay this is quite a funny one. On the weekend Sunny linked to a Sunday Times story pointing out that Labour is considering making Holocaust day more inclusive to appease the MCB. Insert angry rumblings by Jewish groups here.

    That’s not enough for some journalists though, no siree! Melanie ‘Mad-dog’ Phillips of Daily Mail fame points us to some blogger by the name of Judy who reckons she can do another Dilpazier Aslam by outing him as a (shock horror) Eastern Eye editor!

    So who is Mr Taher, and how can the Sunday Times account for his lamentably inaccurate account of the origins of the day, which just happens to make it look as if it was a purely Blair thing in response to sustained pressure from Jewish leaders?

    Well, a little investigation turns up that in 2001, Mr Taher was editor of The Eastern Eye, an Asian newspaper. Then there’s this quite extraordinary exchange Mr Taher had online with a Muslim dissident, which includes these contributions from our intrepid and entirely balanced reporter.

    Jesus! Where do you start? I found this funny because I know Abul and to paint as some wannabe-Hizb member is just downright hilarious.

    For a start though, Abul was never the editor of Eastern Eye. Secondly, that so called “entirely balanced” link points to one of the most rabid anti-Muslim websites on the net put together by dimwits clearly with too much on their hands. Might as well call Hinduunity balanced! But wait, there is more. Phillips is still ranting meanwhile.

    ‘The mass murder of Muslims in Palestine’? Hello? There has been no such mass murder. The only people with genocide on their minds are the Arabs who want to bomb the Jews of Israel out of existence.

    Of course not love, clearly Arial Sharon is a nice homely sorta guy. Plus you neglected to mention Chechnya and Bosnia from your list. But she has more gems.

    Many members of the public are horrified by the government’s supine response to Islamist extremism; yet even here there is a reluctance to see the connection with anti-Jewish and anti-Israel prejudice because so much of this particular prejudice is unfortunately shared as a result of the campaign of vilification of Israel mounted by the media.

    Sheesh! You could put her in a room with Asghar Bukhari and they would sound exactly the same. With a few words switched around of course.

    What about your own hatred of Muslims Ms Phillips? Maybe you could write about how Israel purposely refused to demolish any of its synagogues while withdrawing from Gaza just so the world would watch Palestinians having to destroy them by hand (denied proper machinery of course). Whoops, our friend Judy already has but manages to blame the BBC while doing it. Don’t you love blogs?


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    1. Opinionated Voice

      [...] While browsing at ‘Pickled Politics’, I’ve come across a very interesting article. It appears that Downing Street is facing calls from its advisers to abolish the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day, because it is offensive to Muslims. Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day was established in the UK by Tony Blair four years ago. It is widely considered as “a gruelling episode for Muslims in Britain”. The proposed idea is to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths. Such a proposal has been pursued by the Muslim Council of Britain since the Memorial Day was established. The MCB has previously declined to attend Memorial Day celebrations based upon the correct identification that; [...]




    1. Eric — on 13th September, 2005 at 9:28 am  

      Ahh, so it’s the Israelis fault the some Palestinians couldn’t help themselves paint Nazi Swastikas on the synagogues?

      In Neve Dekalim the green flag of Hamas group hung from the roof of the ransacked synagogue and the black flag of Islamic Jihad was raised from a wall in the compound. A Nazi swastika was spray-painted on the wall. Police stood helplessly nearby.”

      Surely you have more respect for Palestinians than repeating the racist lie that they are automatons unable to think for themselves and who can only respond to the actions of Jews.

      By the way you could have mentioned the genocide in Sudan, next to Chechnya and Bosnia, if you really wanted to be inclusive.

      And no, I’m not Jewish before you mention it, and neither am I under the control/in the pay of Jews.

    2. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 10:00 am  

      The most extraordinary thing about this article in the Sunday Times is not that the MCB wants to make the Holocaust Memorial Day more inclusive - that can be done easily by including remembrance of all genocide. It is the assertion that if this is not done, then Muslim extremists may get angry and…well, I dont know what exactly, but it certainly sounds threatenining.

      The sequence would run like this - Explode yourself on trains in London ===> Wait for representatives to get onto government advisory boards on how to combat extremism ====> Abolish Holocaust Memorial Day.

      What a result - because people who get offended that the Holocaust is remembered really need to be appeased (I mean, we cannot risk offending them, who knows what the sensitive children will do next or where they might blow themselves up)

      The MCB and others could easily make representations behind the scenes to include whatever it wants to include in the Holocaust Memorial Day - but it does not want that - it just hates the Jews. Coming a day before it was revealed that a Muslim lawyer who also works as a government advisor has published a book saying that Jews and freemasons rule the world and control Tony Blair and you sit there amazed at the level of stupidity, paranoia, conspiracy theorising and out and out hardcore bigotry that exist in these organisations, and wonder how they got to be so close to the governments ear - unless the government are guided by the general principle of ‘keep your friends close, but your enemies closer’

    3. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 10:05 am  

      One other thing - the MCB is not guided by Universalist principles of respect for the human dignity of all genocide victims - it has excluded, predicatbly, from its list of horror those commited by Muslims against other Muslims and non Muslims.

      This is not a roll call of finger pointing - but they seem to have a blind spot when it comes to atrocities like the Armenian genocide, Bangladesh, etc etc

      This is a murky silence indeed. What a squalid affair.

    4. PrettyTamil — on 13th September, 2005 at 12:44 pm  

      I can understand the jews up in arms over the issue. wasn’t Taher doing them a favour by publishing an article about the proposal. I don’t understnad why they would attack him . . surly they should be grateful for giving insightful information

    5. Kulvinder — on 13th September, 2005 at 1:29 pm  

      Ahh, so it’s the Israelis fault the some Palestinians couldn’t help themselves paint Nazi Swastikas on the synagogues?

      Im a little slow, help me out. How does that relate to the post?

    6. Limerick — on 13th September, 2005 at 1:33 pm  

      Broadcasting a few pictures of some nutters posting Swastikas doesn’t exactly make all Palestinians supporters of Hitlers exactly does it? I’m sure more far-right groups in this country do that with Jewish graves, but no one is slating all Britons.

      Only last week those resisting the Israeli soldiers were calling them Nazi supporters… how is that for exaggeration?

      Eric I do no suggest you are jewish, neither am I Muslim or a suporter of the narrow-minded MCB. Certainly they do not look outside their narrow constituency, but we don’t all have to do the same. The Palestinians have to be reactive to the Israelis considering the latter control their movement, shoot at them constantly, stop them from working or being in education. You are hardly comparing to equals.

    7. Limerick — on 13th September, 2005 at 1:37 pm  

      It is the assertion that if this is not done, then Muslim extremists may get angry and…well, I dont know what exactly, but it certainly sounds threatenining.

      Who is making that suggestion?

    8. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 1:41 pm  

      Limerick

      Did you read the Sunday Times article? It is all in there.

    9. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 1:45 pm  

      From the Sunday Times

      ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims

      The Queen is patron of the charity that organises the event and the Home Office pays £500,000 a year to fund it. The committees argue that the special status of Holocaust Memorial Day fuels extremists’ sense of alienation because it “excludes” Muslims

      ===========

      So - extremism in Britain can be quelled by scrapping Holocaust Memorial Day - remembering the Holocaust is provocative to fascists who strap explosives to themselves and blow themselves up on the Underground - therefore it should be scrapped.

    10. Limerick — on 13th September, 2005 at 1:47 pm  

      The committees argue that the special status of Holocaust Memorial Day fuels extremists’ sense of alienation because it “excludes” Muslims

      Its certainly worded badly but it would not be wrong in pointing out that the extremists use it as an example of not recognising the killings of Muslims. I bet the Sikh Federation jump in with trying to make 1984 recognised as part of this. Wouldn’t that be amusing to watch.

    11. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 1:57 pm  

      Limerick

      You miss the point.

      The point is that communalist politics have been introduced into the whole issue of Holocaust Memorial Day - any issues Muslims might have had with the remit of remembrance could have been discussed and accomodated behind the scenes in unity with the organisers - do you really think they would not have been amenable to the suggestions?

      Not only do they play communalist politics with this - but most egregiously they utilise the language of ‘diversity’ and ‘inclusiveness’ to use as a mask for their bigotry - it is absolutely contemptible.

      Furthermore, to use the mass slaughter of 55 people as an excuse to further their agenda under the rubric of ‘preventing extremism’ is even more cynical and makes me ask - what is the pay off? Explode bombs and then MCB advisers to the government can squeeze the government to knock down the Jews - srap Holocaust Memorial Day - or else?

      So the next time the bombs explode we will see the faces of MCB representatives and others saying - “Well, if you had only listened to us and scrapped Holocaust Memorial Day, dont say we did not warn you…”

    12. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 2:00 pm  

      Limerick

      I am currently writing a short article about the Sikh Federation which I will submit for publication in the next few days and if the Editor accepts it you will be able to read it soon - the Sikh Federation like the Hindu Form and MCB are commited communalists but you misunderstand the motivations and dynamics and tensions inherent in this game.

    13. Siddhartha — on 13th September, 2005 at 2:09 pm  

      ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims

      I don’t about you, but I would really like to know who these “Advisers” are and which Muslims they think they are representing? By and large, I don’t think it is wrong to say that it is a complete fallacy to suggest that Muslims find the Jewish Memorial Day offensive because it is not inclusive. Who dreams this BS up?

      There’s something rotten in the State of Islamophobia that is formulating this kind of shit. All it it is doing is trying to portray the entire Muslim community as anti-Semites who do nothing but bay for Jewish blood. This is awful, wrong and should be resisted by Muslims all the way.

      Its not for nothing that Islamophobes reac

    14. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 2:12 pm  

      Siddhrtha

      The whole point of this blog is to show the emptiness of the rhetoric and claims of Asian conservative communalist leaders who claim to speak on behalf of ‘their people’ - to show how self serving close minded and unrepresentative they are - you make an extremely good point - thanks.

    15. Rahul Verma — on 13th September, 2005 at 2:19 pm  

      Perhaps even more interestingly Abul Taher used to work on the newsdesk at Metro, the free paper, which is of course owned by Associated Newspapers, home of The Daily Mail

    16. Michael — on 13th September, 2005 at 2:22 pm  

      In any event, those who regard Holocaust Memorial Day as “excluding” Muslims seem to have overlooked paragraph 3 of the Holocaust Memorial Day Statement of Commitment:

      “We vow to remember the victims of Nazi persecution and of all genocide. “

    17. Al-Hack — on 13th September, 2005 at 2:52 pm  

      We seem to have moved away from the point. Mine wasn’t to defend Hamas, the MCB or such like, but to point out how so-called ‘liberal’ commentators use any trick in the book to throw mud at people (like Abul in this case) to make a point about media bias?

      Is the media biased against Israelis? Please stop me choking myself with laughter.

    18. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 3:03 pm  

      This blog could easily become one of those blogs that spends its time blogging about what other bloggers have said about this or that or this - other bloggers are always going to be saying different things to you - if you have issues with their stance leave comments on their threads and discuss with or refute them.

      Such blogs degenerate into pettiness and navel gazing - to set an agenda with clarity means focus - the true story is what was the content of the story - that is the commuanlist agenda of these “government advisors” - I believe we should use this space as an arena to present alternatives to the communalists.

    19. Al-Hack — on 13th September, 2005 at 3:15 pm  

      Half the war is in the blogging world where people form prejudices much easily. Plus, MP is a regular columnist and its important to refute her claims, IMO anyway.

      A blog cannot exist in isolation, it must interact with peers too - that is the whole point of the community. That is my thinking anyway, the editor may disagree.

    20. PrettyTamil — on 13th September, 2005 at 3:29 pm  

      What i can’t stand in the amount of Bile from some jewish blogs. I don’t know if these people are extremist or just highly uninformed. There seems to be so much hatred.

    21. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 3:30 pm  

      Al-Hack

      So getting bogged down in arguing or refuting every irksome thing you read in the world of blogging is not going to throw this site off course? I suspect it might - you get bogged down and eventually just become a barking dog yapping at others for their prejudice or misinformed opinion.

      This is just my opinion - of course the Editor may disagree with me too. But I think it should aspire to make news and be truly progressive - that means focus I reckon.

      Plus - being purely reactive to every egregious insult does not distinguish this site from countless others in which blogger nitpicks and lashes out at another blogger - we shopuld at least try and make clear an agenda and that means headlining and attacking conservative and communalist elements wherever they are.

      Just my thoughts - this blog could potentially be groundbreaking.

    22. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 3:33 pm  

      PreetyTamil

      Are you seriously suggesting bile and bias are unique to Jewish blogs? Come on, please, get real, take a look around - everyone has an agenda.

    23. Siddhartha — on 13th September, 2005 at 3:33 pm  

      I’m in total agreement with Jay here. I’ve only read this blog for a couple of days, but I’m extremely impressed. But it could easily degenerate into a parody of itself by re-inforcing inter-ethnic communalist politics and/or subscribing to received prejudices (the MCB for example). The only alternative is to add value to blogs like this and to voice rejection to unelected political bodies which have their own agenda. They only damage us and gives the Media and other blogs in ‘jingosphere’ more gryst for the mill with which to divide and disparage an already riven community.
      phew!

    24. Jay Singh — on 13th September, 2005 at 3:45 pm  

      Siddhartha

      Its not that Al-Hack does not make a valid point about how it may be difficult for Asian or Muslim journalists to be understood and the value of what they say - its just that he can make that point directly to the bloggers who make those comments on their sites - and discuss and contend it there.

      If we follow this path this blog will not be anything else other than constantly responding to misinformed opinions across the sphere.

      The fact is that things need to be said about the rise of communalist ‘leaders’ - they need to be brought to task and we should focus on them and provide a genuine platform for progressive secular Asian views and attack and dispute the space and politics that are ruled by unrepresentative communalist leaders - we need to do this now and hold them to account not least because their behaviour is terrible - as you pointed out the MCB playing politics is not serving Muslims well - and they are DROWNING OUT other voices.

      We should have been focussed on attacking this particular assertion of the MCB - instead it sidetracks and sub-clauses into issues that are interesting but distracting from the real meat and heart of the matter.

    25. Siddhartha — on 13th September, 2005 at 4:21 pm  

      Well sure. Can’t disagree with you there, Jay.
      And nor do I want to be misunderstood in saying al-Hack’s article had fallen into the trap of dirt-flinging hell. It hadn’t and was excellent. Strongly worded, high octane posts are what blogs are all about anyway.

      Keep up the good work guys.

    26. Eric — on 13th September, 2005 at 5:48 pm  

      This is an excellent blog, and the same goes for the commentators, but I my hackles were raised when this “Jewish blogs are annoyed” meme appeared in this post. I’m annoyed by the Holocaust Memorial Day advice as member of the human race, not as a Jew - so for Al-Hack to use that his starting point betrays something about his mindset. And it isn’t pleasant.

      At the top of this blog it says “current affairs for a progressive generation”. Al-Hack’s decision to cast this as a sectarian issue is somewhat at odds with this.

    27. Siddhartha — on 13th September, 2005 at 8:21 pm  

      Eric:
      Pleasantries aside, before Al-Hack makes his response to your comments, I think its worth recounting, and I know this is going totally off-topic, that I was recently banned from posting comments to your blog (drink-soaked popinjays) by one of your fellow contributors because I dared to dissent with his content and raise debate. Now getting banned or having my comments deleted I can live with, but the worst of it was that he then went on to edit my comments and then refute the edited text so as to make himself look clever with a “sarcastic putdown”. Now thats shoddy. If thats how you like to do things on your blog, so much then for your sermon on how to do things on here.

    28. Paulinus — on 13th September, 2005 at 9:28 pm  

      “Broadcasting a few pictures of some nutters posting Swastikas doesn’t exactly make all Palestinians supporters of Hitlers exactly does it?”

      Well since you mention it in the context of Muslim disquiet at Holocaust Memorial Day, Islam doesn’t have a particluarly happy history in this regard.

      Having a specifically Muslim unit of the SS (The Handzer Division) and getting the Grand Mufti to visit and congratulate Hitler on his sterling work (Al Husseini was later a big shot in the Muslim Brotherhood, of whom the MAB are an offshoot) kind of puts the Muslim community in a pretty bad light. Palestians daubing swastikas just adds insult to injury

    29. Eric — on 13th September, 2005 at 10:23 pm  

      Siddartha, have we banned you? Good. I’m sorry to see you have infected Pickled Politics though.

      It wasn’t me who banned you - I have forgotten the password for the comments system.

    30. Eric — on 13th September, 2005 at 10:26 pm  

      This is well worth reading on the link between Nazi anti-semitism and how it was translated into the Arab world. Matthias Kuentzel’s site is down at the moment, so I have linked to a small except from Harry’s Place.

    31. Siddharth — on 14th September, 2005 at 12:14 am  

      Eric: Thank you for the ban. It spares me having to read your corrosive anti-Muslim hate-inciting nonsense.

      But we’ll let the Pickled Politics readers be the judge of that.

    32. Sunny — on 14th September, 2005 at 3:38 am  

      Hmmm, I’m a bit undecided on blog navel-gazing still. Blogs aren’t that irrelevent that discussing each other is redundant, otherwise setting up this site would be useless.

      The fact is that things need to be said about the rise of communalist ‘leaders’ - they need to be brought to task and we should focus on them and provide a genuine platform for progressive secular Asian views …..

      Sure Jay, but I think it’s important we also deal with how the Asian community is perceived by others. For example, others may see Asians purely as religious nutters who cannot have a rational debate about religion , or re-inforce stereotypes we want to break out from, or even just perpetuate lies. That also needs to be tackled.

      It’s a tightrope - the point to remember here is that the views expressed by one person may not reflect the views of everyone on this blog, as progressive Asians too have different views on issues sometimes ;)

    33. Anon — on 14th September, 2005 at 5:57 am  

      Why can’t we all just hug each other?

    34. Judy — on 14th September, 2005 at 8:08 am  

      As the “some blogger by the name of Judy” referred to by Al Hack, I’ve written a response to Al Hack’s post here:

      http://adloyada.typepad.com/adloyada/2005/09/pickled_politic.html

      Judge for yourselves, folks, whether I’ve taken a fair view or not…..

    35. Old Pickler — on 14th September, 2005 at 11:02 am  

      Apparently they’re not going to muck around with Holocaust Memorial Day after all:

      http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1126491574434&p=1111893688901

      Is this a storm in a pickle jar?

    36. Edward — on 14th September, 2005 at 11:22 am  

      Sorry to get off point here, but Eric, I’ve just read yoru blog about Blair’s war on Islam.

      Is Sir Cumfrence for real? Because if he is, that’s pretty terrifying……..

    37. Jay Singh — on 14th September, 2005 at 11:38 am  

      Sunny

      I dont know to what extent making ad hominem attacks and writing posts full of ‘the Jews, the Jews’ kind of rhetoric advances this. As a Sikh there is enough crude sectarianism in my world and I’m not sure we should ban the ugly cussedness and communalist faultlines of Hindu-Muslim-Sikh and replace them with an Asian Unity that allows for gratuitous references to the Jews and is afraid to call it as it is for fear of giving the wrong impression of what the Asian community consists of when it comes to the self appointed leadership of the various groups - for a start the Asian community consists of people from different religions and none at all and it consists of people of PROGRESSIVE thought who can put aside differences and lead an agenda with maturity instead of being reactive. We should have been all over the MCB Holocaust Memorial Day question and asking what they hell are they playing at - there are some very dark and bigoted impulses at play in the MCB and we should be attacking that relentlessly - as Siddhartha pointed out, he has never heard a Muslim ever saying “Oh, the thing that bothers me is that Holocaust Memorial Day….”

      The MCB, like other organisations, has become arrogant and blind to the efficacy and import of what it is doing. I am working on an article on the Sikh Federation. I hope someone can write up the RSS wallah’s who are extending their tentacles. It is time to attack - and do it with dignity and not become a sniping blog like ten thousand other ones out there - click around and see the complexes and prejudices of people unleashed.

      To be honest it all leaves a very nasty taste in my mouth.

    38. Sunny — on 14th September, 2005 at 12:24 pm  

      I’m not sure we should ban the ugly cussedness and communalist faultlines of Hindu-Muslim-Sikh and replace them with an Asian Unity that allows for gratuitous references to the Jews

      I don’t see that happening. Here, we will cuss everyone equally, including, if necessary, Christians and Jews.

    39. Jay Singh — on 14th September, 2005 at 3:11 pm  

      Sunny

      If you aspire to be something more than a cuss and spitting pit dont aspire to ‘cuss’ people because of their ethnic or religious backgrounds - as though there is a righteous equilibrium of ‘cussing’ to be done so it is doled out equally. That is not fearlessness and it is not progressive politics. If you do want to make the blog a vantage point to write posts about the nefarious mad dog Jews then go ahead - it is your blog and you are free to do as you please - but it would be a waste given the grand aspirations you set out for yourself - to break away from the mindless sectarianism that regulates current debate in the Asian collective and to call to account the rotten religious ‘leadership’ - this is urgent work - the MCB needs to be hauled up for its approach to the Holocaust Memorial Day - instead we get sniping at those rotten Jews.

    40. Edward — on 14th September, 2005 at 5:03 pm  

      I don’t think Sunny is trying to have a pop at anyone - whether gentile or Jew - is he?

      If I understand what Sunny’s saying, it is merely that he will not shy away from putting his views across.

      I haven’t seen him expressing any anti-semitic views, however.

    41. Sunny — on 14th September, 2005 at 11:43 pm  

      As Edward says Jay, you’re not getting the point. I don’t care what a person’s religion is - if I disagree with it then I will say it. I’m not here just to run a MCB Watch website.

    42. Gump — on 15th September, 2005 at 4:33 am  

      in this article there is an identifiable point of discussion; how to make a place in Asian politics for those not identifying by religion to find avenues to address social goals

    43. Inna — on 15th September, 2005 at 7:15 am  

      I wonder if the advisers feel we should commemorate the Egyptian massacre of thousands of Yemenis (during which the Egyptians used poison gas); the tens of thousands massacred in Hamma, Syria by Bashir Assad; and the 1976 massacre of Christians by Arafat and his PLO in Damour, Lebanon.

      Or if MCB (upon reading my considerably less selective list) will decide that after all Holocaust Day-which honors Gays, Roma, and Jews who were slaughtered by the Nazi murder machine is, after all, “less offensive to Muslims” than what may come about.

      You know the old saying: Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.

    44. Eric — on 15th September, 2005 at 7:21 am  

      On the issue of Sir cumference commentating on my post about what a war on Islam would look like. I generally don’t delete posts on my blog, except for spam, and think the guy is a loon and a racist - even assuming it’s not a game being played by someone.

      In fact, if Sir Cumferance really believes my post was an anti-muslim post, then he repeats the same mistake as Siddartha - who is too stupid to realise what it actually is.

      It is not anti-Muslim to puncture some of the victim mentality that Islamists try to propagate.

    45. Siddhartha — on 15th September, 2005 at 8:27 am  

      Eric:
      Why would Sir Cumference believe that it wasn’t an anti-Muslim post? Granted, it was a clever play on words on what a War on Islam would entail. But it would be very easy for people like Sir Cumference to mistake it as an anti-Muslim hate piece because their sensibilities are not are ‘refined’ as yours and cannot make the difference between real ant-Muslim invective and ‘ironic’ anti-Muslim invective (to ‘make a point’). Ultimately the result is the same: Hate Incitement.

      Are you stupid enough not to see that?

      Incidentally, you’ve been peddling, on your blog, the Conspiracy Theory that the motive for the bombing of London Transport was a bid to create an Islamist Empire in Britain. Or is that: “victim mentality that Islamists try to propagate”. Stay tuned oh ‘Progressive’ One.

    46. Anon — on 15th September, 2005 at 5:46 pm  

      And of course what about the Muslim on Muslim killings that have happened.
      What about Pakistan killing Bangladashis?

      And what about the recent Sudan episode.

      I never see the MCB talk about the amount of killings Muslims have done.

    47. Guvnor — on 16th September, 2005 at 2:39 am  

      The MCB are a disgrace, and why the hell the government pay to have this is beyond me. They contribute little and only serve to heighten Islamophobia in this country.

      Also, is there a Christian, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish, Bhuddist CB? If not, why not? If so, why do we need them anyway?

    48. Anon — on 16th September, 2005 at 7:51 pm  

      Sadly, the Jews have their own group called the Board of Deputies of British Jews. They are a so-called voice of British Jews who seem to exist only to give jobs for the fuckwits who work there who wouldn’t be able to get a job anywhere else.

      Jews and Muslims don’t need these groups to represent their interests.

    49. Sunny — on 18th September, 2005 at 5:01 pm  

      Guvnor - the Hindus and Sikhs also have their own group of losers representing them.

    50. John Barnes — on 12th November, 2005 at 12:24 am  

      The MCB had a real chance to solidaity with the Jewish people, a chance to really help tidy a rather tarnished image of Islam of late, but it fell into the usual routine of pointing out injustices perpetrated on Muslims rather than dealing with situation in hand. These alleged injustices committed on muslim around may of course be real but in the current situation was it really prudent to put out such a message?

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