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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2865/comment-page-1#comment-149164</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Gove strikes me as someone who as a kid would have been deprived of friends and company. He&#039;s obviously learnt from that and realised he just doesn&#039;t need any. Retentive or what!

Not that I want to give too much power to social services, but I would have been happy for his neighbours to have reported his parents so he could have benefitted from a bit of fostering amongst mankind. His is a creepy cling-film world.

I wonder if Melanie Philips had a similar upbringing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Gove strikes me as someone who as a kid would have been deprived of friends and company. He&#8217;s obviously learnt from that and realised he just doesn&#8217;t need any. Retentive or what!</p>
<p>Not that I want to give too much power to social services, but I would have been happy for his neighbours to have reported his parents so he could have benefitted from a bit of fostering amongst mankind. His is a creepy cling-film world.</p>
<p>I wonder if Melanie Philips had a similar upbringing.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2865/comment-page-1#comment-149161</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is Dougie has influence with Dave Cameron and that means he has influence on someone who may be running this country after the next election.

Murray hasn&#039;t quite cottoned on tot he facxt that even places like the Rand Corporation are changing tact and his vile spew still continues forth.

David Cameron should distance himself from this but he won&#039;t cause Gove won&#039;t let him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is Dougie has influence with Dave Cameron and that means he has influence on someone who may be running this country after the next election.</p>
<p>Murray hasn&#8217;t quite cottoned on tot he facxt that even places like the Rand Corporation are changing tact and his vile spew still continues forth.</p>
<p>David Cameron should distance himself from this but he won&#8217;t cause Gove won&#8217;t let him!</p>
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		<title>By: Cabalamat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cabalamat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They won’t do anything about it but they pretend to listen.&lt;/i&gt;

SOP for politicians. Though I do find it funny that Gordon&#039;s now saying that when he said &quot;British jobs for British workers&quot; he didn&#039;t mean British jobs for British workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They won’t do anything about it but they pretend to listen.</i></p>
<p>SOP for politicians. Though I do find it funny that Gordon&#8217;s now saying that when he said &#8220;British jobs for British workers&#8221; he didn&#8217;t mean British jobs for British workers.</p>
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		<title>By: fug</title>
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		<dc:creator>fug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since when did the central and local goverment in the uk ever do anything other that make establishing mosques with our private money difficult and arduous?

CSC should be carbonised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since when did the central and local goverment in the uk ever do anything other that make establishing mosques with our private money difficult and arduous?</p>
<p>CSC should be carbonised.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There is little or no evidence that white working class folk do think any of these things. At least, not in meaningful numbers.&lt;/i&gt;

It was meant to be sarcastic douglas. I&#039;m not saying the white working class support the BNP. Its more that the politicians and middle class commentators think they&#039;re on the verge of voting BNP so they keep saying &#039;we must listen to them or they&#039;ll vote BNP&#039;. Hazel Blears being a prime example... Phil Woolas another one... Margaret Hodge etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There is little or no evidence that white working class folk do think any of these things. At least, not in meaningful numbers.</i></p>
<p>It was meant to be sarcastic douglas. I&#8217;m not saying the white working class support the BNP. Its more that the politicians and middle class commentators think they&#8217;re on the verge of voting BNP so they keep saying &#8216;we must listen to them or they&#8217;ll vote BNP&#8217;. Hazel Blears being a prime example&#8230; Phil Woolas another one&#8230; Margaret Hodge etc.</p>
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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
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		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^ LOL

I read that and nearly had a heart attack. I thought which turd has written that?! 

then i realised it was a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^ LOL</p>
<p>I read that and nearly had a heart attack. I thought which turd has written that?! </p>
<p>then i realised it was a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: blah</title>
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		<dc:creator>blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read what some of these Muslim signatories say about Hindus

&quot;&quot;All immigration into Europe from Hindu countries must stop...Conditions for Hindus in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition. We in Europe owe—after all—no special dues to Hinduism. We owe them no religious holidays, special rights or privileges. From long before we were first attacked it should have been made plain that people who come into Europe are here under our rules and not theirs. There is not an inch of ground to give on this one. Where a temple has become a centre of hate it should be closed and pulled down. If that means that some Hindus don&#039;t have a temple to go to, then they&#039;ll just have to realise that they aren&#039;t owed one.&quot;

Oh wait thats Douglas Murray talking about Muslim so its OK. The fact that a person like Murray (who is clearly unhinged) is given space in the MSN shows what a rabidly anti-Muslim climate we live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read what some of these Muslim signatories say about Hindus</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;All immigration into Europe from Hindu countries must stop&#8230;Conditions for Hindus in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition. We in Europe owe—after all—no special dues to Hinduism. We owe them no religious holidays, special rights or privileges. From long before we were first attacked it should have been made plain that people who come into Europe are here under our rules and not theirs. There is not an inch of ground to give on this one. Where a temple has become a centre of hate it should be closed and pulled down. If that means that some Hindus don&#8217;t have a temple to go to, then they&#8217;ll just have to realise that they aren&#8217;t owed one.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh wait thats Douglas Murray talking about Muslim so its OK. The fact that a person like Murray (who is clearly unhinged) is given space in the MSN shows what a rabidly anti-Muslim climate we live in.</p>
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		<title>By: Golam Murtaza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golam Murtaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine the reaction of Phillips and Murray will be a good learning experience for Ed Husain.  He should make sure he doesn&#039;t forget this episode in a hurry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine the reaction of Phillips and Murray will be a good learning experience for Ed Husain.  He should make sure he doesn&#8217;t forget this episode in a hurry.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny,

I suppose I think of myself as white working class. So, how failed is their triangulation?

There are a lot of folk in Manchester and Glasgow that would completely refute the BNP&#039;s idea of what it means to be white, or working class. Nor see asylum seekers as an issue.

You said this, with which I profoundly disagree:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But the point is: if you’re white working class and pissed off with the state of public housing or transport or immigration, then political parties and commentators line up to hear you. They won’t do anything about it but they pretend to listen. But if you dare try and raise concerns about what Muslims are saying, then you’re an Islamist sympathiser.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is little or no evidence that white working class folk do think any of these things. At least, not in meaningful numbers.

Sure, the BNP would like you to think so, but it ain&#039;t true.

Here is a retrospective on what white working class people really do think:

http://www.stdavidschurch.freeserve.co.uk/asylum.htm

or this:

http://www.variant.randomstate.org/pdfs/issue25/webelong.pdf

It is shite to assume attribution of BNP sympathies with anyone at all. Far less a whole class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny,</p>
<p>I suppose I think of myself as white working class. So, how failed is their triangulation?</p>
<p>There are a lot of folk in Manchester and Glasgow that would completely refute the BNP&#8217;s idea of what it means to be white, or working class. Nor see asylum seekers as an issue.</p>
<p>You said this, with which I profoundly disagree:</p>
<blockquote><p>But the point is: if you’re white working class and pissed off with the state of public housing or transport or immigration, then political parties and commentators line up to hear you. They won’t do anything about it but they pretend to listen. But if you dare try and raise concerns about what Muslims are saying, then you’re an Islamist sympathiser.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is little or no evidence that white working class folk do think any of these things. At least, not in meaningful numbers.</p>
<p>Sure, the BNP would like you to think so, but it ain&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>Here is a retrospective on what white working class people really do think:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stdavidschurch.freeserve.co.uk/asylum.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.stdavidschurch.freeserve.co.uk/asylum.htm</a></p>
<p>or this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.variant.randomstate.org/pdfs/issue25/webelong.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.variant.randomstate.org/pdfs/issue25/webelong.pdf</a></p>
<p>It is shite to assume attribution of BNP sympathies with anyone at all. Far less a whole class.</p>
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