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    Dealing with the Muslim lobby


    by Sunny
    2nd February, 2009 at 9:30 am    

    Via BenSix’s blog, I find that Douglas Murray of the “Centre for Social Cohesion” (I put that in quotations because they’re anything but) has written an article for “neo-con rag” Standpoint magazine criticising the Quilliam Foundation and they fact that they, along with other moderate Muslims, wrote a letter to Gordon Brown saying a continuation of the Gaza conflict “has revived extremist groups and empowered their message of violence and perennial conflict”.

    I find this criticism by Murray unintentionally hilarious, and have a few points to make.

    1) It’s obvious that it doesn’t matter what you’ve said in the past about dealing with Islamists, terrorism or foreign policy. To this dwindling band of nutjobs who cheered on George Bush’s War on Terror, the minute you stray from the line: you’re a terrorist sympathiser. You’re a traitor. The earlier pat on the head is replaced by a sharp knife, and you may as well join Al-Qaeda!

    I know at least half the signatories and they’re about as anti-islamist as you can get in conservative Muslim circles. By that I mean they aren’t the kind to go clubbing on the weekends but are observant, do community work but will openly criticise Muslim “community leaders”. All this makes Murray’s comparison with the MCB even more laughable and absurd.

    2) The key to staying within the line is never to criticise Israel. Differences over US foreign policy can be tolerated since there’s about ten people on the planet, most of whom work for FrontPage magazine, that still believe Bush alone could save “Western Civilisation”. The minute you criticise Israel it’s all over. Melanie Phillips washed her hands off Ed Husain last week, then came the hatchet job in The Times, and now Murray is on the attack.

    3) As Ben points out quite rightly, the signatories were simply stating cause and effect. New Labour does it all the time (and the Tories). It’s called: “These White Working Class People Will Vote BNP If We Don’t Talk About Immigration.” Or it’s simply called: “We Don’t Listen Enough To White Working Classes Concerns.” In another lifetime, it was also turned into a slogan: Are You Thinking What We’re Thinking?

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that actions have consequences. To be perfectly clear, yes I am interested in why people vote for the BNP, though that political threat is exaggerated, and I think its less to do with actual immigration and more to do with the incompetence and mismanagement of public resources that follows afterwards. Nevertheless, that anger is usually quite real and to dismiss it simply as racism is misplaced.

    But the point is: if you’re white working class and pissed off with the state of public housing or transport or immigration, then political parties and commentators line up to hear you. They won’t do anything about it but they pretend to listen. But if you dare try and raise concerns about what Muslims are saying, then you’re an Islamist sympathiser.

    4) This letter represents what the job of well-connected (to the grass-roots and politicos) Muslims should be: raise concerns about what people are saying. After all, isn’t that what the Jewish Board of Deputies does? Douglas Murray’s problem isn’t the content of what they’re saying, because that might mean admitting they have a point, but to say that these people shouldn’t even be raising these concerns in the first place. Apparently, that act in itself is blackmail… as if no one else does it.

    5) I wish you’d say something new Douglas - you’ve been saying the same for so long (and just changing actors) that I’m afraid it makes Standpoint rather stale and boring. You’re just turning into a poor man’s Melanie Phillips and I’m afraid that won’t really help sales at the “neo con rag”, much as they endorse your recycled garbage.


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    1. douglas clark — on 2nd February, 2009 at 8:43 am  

      Sunny,

      I suppose I think of myself as white working class. So, how failed is their triangulation?

      There are a lot of folk in Manchester and Glasgow that would completely refute the BNP’s idea of what it means to be white, or working class. Nor see asylum seekers as an issue.

      You said this, with which I profoundly disagree:

      But the point is: if you’re white working class and pissed off with the state of public housing or transport or immigration, then political parties and commentators line up to hear you. They won’t do anything about it but they pretend to listen. But if you dare try and raise concerns about what Muslims are saying, then you’re an Islamist sympathiser.

      There is little or no evidence that white working class folk do think any of these things. At least, not in meaningful numbers.

      Sure, the BNP would like you to think so, but it ain’t true.

      Here is a retrospective on what white working class people really do think:

      http://www.stdavidschurch.freeserve.co.uk/asylum.htm

      or this:

      http://www.variant.randomstate.org/pdfs/issue25/webelong.pdf

      It is shite to assume attribution of BNP sympathies with anyone at all. Far less a whole class.

    2. Golam Murtaza — on 2nd February, 2009 at 9:38 am  

      I imagine the reaction of Phillips and Murray will be a good learning experience for Ed Husain. He should make sure he doesn’t forget this episode in a hurry.

    3. blah — on 2nd February, 2009 at 9:46 am  

      Have you read what some of these Muslim signatories say about Hindus

      “”All immigration into Europe from Hindu countries must stop…Conditions for Hindus in Europe must be made harder across the board: Europe must look like a less attractive proposition. We in Europe owe—after all—no special dues to Hinduism. We owe them no religious holidays, special rights or privileges. From long before we were first attacked it should have been made plain that people who come into Europe are here under our rules and not theirs. There is not an inch of ground to give on this one. Where a temple has become a centre of hate it should be closed and pulled down. If that means that some Hindus don’t have a temple to go to, then they’ll just have to realise that they aren’t owed one.”

      Oh wait thats Douglas Murray talking about Muslim so its OK. The fact that a person like Murray (who is clearly unhinged) is given space in the MSN shows what a rabidly anti-Muslim climate we live in.

    4. platinum786 — on 2nd February, 2009 at 1:31 pm  

      ^^^ LOL

      I read that and nearly had a heart attack. I thought which turd has written that?!

      then i realised it was a joke.

    5. Sunny — on 2nd February, 2009 at 1:37 pm  

      There is little or no evidence that white working class folk do think any of these things. At least, not in meaningful numbers.

      It was meant to be sarcastic douglas. I’m not saying the white working class support the BNP. Its more that the politicians and middle class commentators think they’re on the verge of voting BNP so they keep saying ‘we must listen to them or they’ll vote BNP’. Hazel Blears being a prime example… Phil Woolas another one… Margaret Hodge etc.

    6. fug — on 2nd February, 2009 at 3:47 pm  

      since when did the central and local goverment in the uk ever do anything other that make establishing mosques with our private money difficult and arduous?

      CSC should be carbonised.

    7. Cabalamat — on 2nd February, 2009 at 6:28 pm  

      They won’t do anything about it but they pretend to listen.

      SOP for politicians. Though I do find it funny that Gordon’s now saying that when he said “British jobs for British workers” he didn’t mean British jobs for British workers.

    8. Imran Khan — on 3rd February, 2009 at 7:39 pm  

      The problem is Dougie has influence with Dave Cameron and that means he has influence on someone who may be running this country after the next election.

      Murray hasn’t quite cottoned on tot he facxt that even places like the Rand Corporation are changing tact and his vile spew still continues forth.

      David Cameron should distance himself from this but he won’t cause Gove won’t let him!

    9. Refresh — on 3rd February, 2009 at 8:17 pm  

      Michael Gove strikes me as someone who as a kid would have been deprived of friends and company. He’s obviously learnt from that and realised he just doesn’t need any. Retentive or what!

      Not that I want to give too much power to social services, but I would have been happy for his neighbours to have reported his parents so he could have benefitted from a bit of fostering amongst mankind. His is a creepy cling-film world.

      I wonder if Melanie Philips had a similar upbringing.

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