Well it does to repressed religious types, Siddarth

Like when was this Vik? Given that you are only 16 …

Btw, it is good to know that all it took to beat the anti-zionism out of you was just one visit to friends. Maybe the same enlightenment can occur in another area of your life.

lol yea, i was once in the Zionism = Racism crowd. But a visit to Indian Jewish-friends in Ashdod (which is bang in the middle of Negev desert ) surely helped me.

But at time of partition it was Arabs who invaded Israel. It simply didnt occur to them that they wouldnt be able to carry out their boasts of incarcinating Mediterranean sea with blood… Jewish blood. Even when they had a clear numerical and military superirority over the Joos they couldnt beat them. Israel took more land than it was alloted from Arabs fair and square. Remember for every Deir Yassin there was a Kfar Etzion.

As for refugees, no Arab state with exception of Jordan welcomed them with open arms. Palestinians were left to fester in the squalor of refugee camps by their very own Arab brothers who could well have taken them in (like India and Pakistan did to Hindus and Muslims respectively). OTOH nobody talks about how Arab Jews were kicked out uncereminously from Morroco to KSA.

Club Med Israel
Book into one of our all-inclusive Villages & discover more for less.
http://www.clubmed.co.uk

Jewish Prophecy
What the Torah says about current events. How a Jew should prepare!
livejournal.com

I think a good holiday in Israel would do you the world of good.

“The worst thing is, the global community has invested 100 times more effort in solving this conflict than many of the others around the world, and yet still both sides are more interested in bashing each other and claiming the moral high ground than actually coming to a peaceful settlement. Shameful.”

Indeed it is. This is the same with the Muslim community. Why do the Palestinians get all the attention when there are famines across the Muslim world, we just had a devestating Earthquake in Pakistan, the Tsunami and the treatment of Chinese Muslims at the hands of China is, I hear, deplorable.

Many people have vested interest in this conflict which isnt peace as you have so rightly pointed out. Thanks.

I should think any exhortations to peace in that region should be directed at the lot of them.

After all -again for arguments sake- why don’t you provide your home as a home for the State of Israel to exist? Would you be willing to do that? If the State of Israel wanted to come here? Why not if not? surely as you say the ‘state’ has a right to exist – well why not in the British Isles then? Why should you expect other people -whose lives you clearly know nothing about -to give up rights you no doubt hold so dearly yourself?

i’d just like to point out the blatant hypocrisy everywhere.

[My own thinking is that ALL people should try and co-exist everywhere cos -shove it - there ain't anywhere else to go otherwise! This ain’t the internet – where you can f**ck off and build your own site. Look what happened with Pakistan. Nation-states are the dumbest thing around. Not many people seem to get that. Ah well!]

But given that everyone else seems to be quite happy with them – Do you imagine you would be happy if a bunch of people – say from Rome- showed up – with guns – and said, right Vik, get out of your semi, cos I’m here now, and you have no rights in this new ‘State’ of ours – that we’re ‘Reclaiming’ – and in fact if you left the country i’d be much happier, cos then i get my friends to come too – why we’ve been homeless for years ( and not treated very nicely by the Racist people there, who wanted to turn us out, so guess what – we needed to find another place – and you’re IT. ) J and Why Not? Why not indeed? Surely they have a right to a State of their own if everyone else does, don’t they? [Aha..and therein lies the REAL problem..]

Hmm…? Or when a bunch of HT idiots turned around and said they wanted to have their ‘Muslim State’ ( whatever the f**ck they might have meant by that) here – oh yes..say they’d had a Big Country [somewhere else- far away who’re not PERSONALLY involved in the nastiness] rooting for them – and telling you lot – Tough – they have the right to exist, you lot don’t. You lot shut up.

Come on – let’s see what your reaction would be then? Yes eventually you’d have to co-exist but no doubt when the rest of us kind interfering types said “now Vik, why are you denying their right to exist? You should be making the effort shouldn’t you? You can’t expect them to also negotiate – can you? Ha ha what a silly muggins you are, who gave you that idea?
–
end of skit – don’t take it too personally, okay?

the REAL problem : At the end of the day if people want to not be inclusive then there is bound to be trouble – and that goes ALL ways. the thinking that one ‘group’ is entitled to some particular territory and not another is Fundamentally Flawed – yet that is the premise of nation-states the way they are. why is it flawed? cos then you have exactly the situation you currently do with israel/palestine: one place and groups competing for ‘ownership’ . Of course every human has the right to exist on this bl**dy planet – but if we go around saying oh only Klingons can live in the country of ‘Klingon’ – why then you’ll have to find lots of countries on Earth – and frankly there doesn’t seem to be enough land mass if everyone decides to be their own ‘State’. Ah – instead it might make better sense to have individuals who live in multicultural groups that are actually democratic, rather than supremacist. and what do i mean by democratic – i mean the people who happen to be there, not the people who fit into some definition of the Group in power. And people don’t need to have their ‘own State’ if the other places they could have lived were actually democratic and included them and gave them rights based on the fact that they were human. ( and not denied them rights because oh well you’re not in our group so you can’t be in our State, you go find your own somewhere else..) [ which sure enough some of them they do go off and do - and look at the fuss then..have to fight and kill the bodies who happened to be there]

States in search of a Nation –

Any of this making any sense? Probably not. most of us are too socially conditioned/take our ‘countries’ too personally to see the bigger problem that this israel/palestine thing is symptomatic of. Just like religion eh? Ha ha.

Oh well.

Lord Carey ‘ashamed to be an Anglican’