Banging heads together


by Rumbold
29th January, 2009 at 10:02 pm    

Look at the man below:

His name is Nick Griffin. He is head of the BNP. He doesn’t like you. He doesn’t like me. He doesn’t like any of us on Pickled Politics, because we are either minorities or we freely associate with minorities, and stick up for the rights of refugees and immigrants. He doesn’t care whether you are Jewish or Muslim. He doesn’t like you. The BNP has been awfully quiet over the whole Gaza conflict. Why? Ostensibly it is because it is happening elsewhere, but in reality it is because they are enjoying watch both sides suffer, the surge in anti-Semitism in this country, and the widening rift between Jews and many others. Take a step back, and remember who really despises you, just because you are different.


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  1. Amrit — on 29th January, 2009 at 10:04 pm  

    I’m sorry, perhaps I’m missing the point, but I followed your instruction – and then laughed myself silly for a good 2 minutes at the picture. Good freaking Lord. Looks like HIS gene pool could do with expanding…

  2. Leon — on 29th January, 2009 at 10:07 pm  

    Yup, check out the master race indeed. Gormless fucking idiot that he is. Doesn’t he know the future is one he can’t live in?

  3. persephone — on 29th January, 2009 at 10:09 pm  

    “Looks like HIS gene pool could do with expanding…”

    yeah but bagsie not me Amrit

  4. Sunny — on 29th January, 2009 at 10:12 pm  

    True… true.. (to Rumbold)

  5. Leon — on 29th January, 2009 at 10:14 pm  

    I must say this is the most impassioned I’ve seen Rumbold, which says a great deal really…

  6. Amrit — on 29th January, 2009 at 10:16 pm  

    ‘“Looks like HIS gene pool could do with expanding…”

    yeah but bagsie not me Amrit’

    Ahem. Me neither. I got a white boyfriend already, and let it be said that he is about a million times better-looking than Monsieur Griffin, and nowhere near as right-wing either.

    Nobody, but nobody, deserves that fate, persephone! :-D

    @ Leon:

    Oh? Says a great deal about what, exactly?

  7. Leon — on 29th January, 2009 at 10:20 pm  

    Oh? Says a great deal about what, exactly?

    That things on PP have been so heated lately that the usually composed (to the point of restraint) Rummy is feeling the need to publicly implore.

    What else did you think I meant??

  8. persephone — on 29th January, 2009 at 10:22 pm  

    @ 6 Ok I’ll behave then. I understand that this is the unification post

  9. Refresh — on 29th January, 2009 at 11:11 pm  

    He’s one of the trolls at the door at my 21st.

    Well rehearsed, professional abuser and a frisker to boot.

  10. fug — on 30th January, 2009 at 8:29 am  

    hmm, i dont know. he doesnt hate you so much now if you are hindu, sikh or jewish. he would like to work with you on demonising another. because he knows how heavily jews are invested in israel, and the hindus et al in india.

    a unification thread would be kicking the crap out of davos or appreciating whats going on in brazil.

  11. Rumbold — on 30th January, 2009 at 9:45 am  

    I found the least appealing picture of Nick Griffin. There were a lot to choose from.

    Leon:

    This type of post had been swimming around in my head for sometime, and I just needed to write it.

  12. Leon — on 30th January, 2009 at 10:09 am  

    Was this inspired by the comments over Gaza?

  13. Sid — on 30th January, 2009 at 10:20 am  

    Yes, it’s always good to remember who our common enemy is. Great post Rumbold.

  14. chairwoman — on 30th January, 2009 at 10:37 am  

    Rumbold – Excellent post.

    Is Mr Griffin a candidate for an extreme makeover?

  15. persephone — on 30th January, 2009 at 10:39 am  

    Good one Chairwoman – I suggest the extreme makeover start with a frontal labotomy

  16. chairwoman — on 30th January, 2009 at 11:15 am  

    Thought he’d already had one!

  17. Nesrine — on 30th January, 2009 at 11:23 am  

    Laughing and pointing at Amrit protesting too much.

  18. squanderer — on 30th January, 2009 at 11:39 am  

    http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/

    demand Nick ‘genepool’ griffin says SORRY.

  19. Jai — on 30th January, 2009 at 11:41 am  

    Nick Griffin, the Caucasian King, is of course a very fine specimen of intrinsic “Aryan” superiority. I mean, just look at him; how could someone like that be anything else than a prime example of a member of the Master Race ?

    Mr Griffin, I think the rest of us now have no choice but to capitulate to your inalienable physical, biological, intellectual and moral superiority over us. Congratulations, you’ve made your case.

    **************************

    It must piss him off no end to think about who’s actually now in the Oval Office.

    Speaking of which — Rumbold, any plans for articles about the various political/military initiatives Obama has set into motion since his inauguration last week ? A lot is going on.

  20. BenSix — on 30th January, 2009 at 12:23 pm  

    You can tell, even from photo, that Nick Griffin has bad breath. He just exudes it.

  21. john micheals — on 30th January, 2009 at 1:42 pm  

    white people deserve a voice too

  22. Leon — on 30th January, 2009 at 1:48 pm  

    white people deserve a voice too

    If there’s something wrong with their vocal chords I’d suggest they make an appointment to see their doctor.

  23. Jai — on 30th January, 2009 at 1:52 pm  

    white people deserve a voice too

    White people already have “a voice”, you idiot. They constitute the majority of the population of Europe and North America, including the governments of all the countries concerned and the Western media.

  24. Jai — on 30th January, 2009 at 2:00 pm  

    Actually, if the rednecks require “a voice”, I nominate Alan Carr to act as their representative.

    Not that Mr Carr is a redneck himself, of course, but I think his speaking style will provide the requisite gravitas and machismo that the BNP and its supporters deserve.

  25. david brough (sophisticated gentleman) — on 30th January, 2009 at 3:12 pm  

    I met his daughter once. She is quite fit actually. Bit confusing.

  26. Sunny — on 30th January, 2009 at 3:38 pm  

    lol @ david.

    Look at Gordon Brown.

    GB is a really nice person in real life.

  27. halima — on 30th January, 2009 at 3:44 pm  

    “Funny how unsavoury characters are blind in one eye, isn’t it. Look at Gordon Brown.”

    Can someone moderate this nasty comment please? It’s not a crime to have a visual impairment is it…Or is it just me that thinks this is derogatory..

  28. halima — on 30th January, 2009 at 3:50 pm  

    Good post Rumbold. Or good intervention i should say. About time, too.

  29. comrade — on 30th January, 2009 at 4:27 pm  

    Can someone moderate this nasty comment please? It’s not a crime to have a visual impairment is it…Or is it just me that thinks this is derogatory.

    Halima,
    you are spot on. We, who fight against all forms of dicrimiation, particulary towards disable people, must never stoop to their level. We need to high light the danger of Facism in these times of recession, when cartain quarters are using the terms, British Jobs for British Worker, that is white workers. This is what led to the rise of facism in Germany, when Hitler became the mouth piece of the Right. Can history repeat it self?

  30. billericaydicky — on 30th January, 2009 at 7:33 pm  

    I really don’t know where to start with the children posting here. What exactly is this article about. Griffin has a law degree form Oxford as well as being a boxing blue and is the most dangerous and intelligent leader of the racist right that we have seen in this country for a generation.

    Those posting here seem to think that fascism threatens only non white people. I have an uncle that I never knew who was kileed by a Lufwaffe bomb in 1941. Don’t tell the white working class abour fascism we suffered it and defeated it to build the country that you all now enjoy.

    There is a nasty racist anti white undertone to all this. I sometimes wonder how much easier it would be to drive back the BNP if more people from ethnic minorites who like to gob off about white racism would actually get off their backsides and get out on the streets and do some work.

    I was out in Bexley over the last few weekends leafleting against the BNP which came within eight votes of taking a seat, I didn’t see a single non white face. As we say in the white working class, put upor fucking shut up.

  31. Leon — on 30th January, 2009 at 7:36 pm  

    Don’t tell the white working class abour fascism we suffered it and defeated it to build the country that you all now enjoy.

    You didn’t fight it alone nor did you rebuild this country alone.

  32. Leon — on 30th January, 2009 at 7:37 pm  

    I was out in Bexley over the last few weekends leafleting against the BNP which came within eight votes of taking a seat, I didn’t see a single non white face.

    Really? How come you never invited any to join you?

  33. Sunny — on 30th January, 2009 at 7:53 pm  

    Bill, you’re contradicting yourself:

    Those posting here seem to think that fascism threatens only non white people

    and then

    I sometimes wonder how much easier it would be to drive back the BNP if more people from ethnic minorites who like to gob off about white racism would actually get off their backsides and get out on the streets and do some work.

    Accept more non-whites need to be active in local politics to drive back the BNP. But you’re saying this is not just a non-white issue, and then complaining more brown people don’t help out?

  34. El Cid — on 30th January, 2009 at 9:13 pm  

    I think Billy is upset about the needlessly illiberal tone adopted by Jai. Leon and Sunny: you can crow against Billy until the cows come home, but this is what I see. Perhaps you should think twice before siding with aggressive anti-white language, or you may alienate.

  35. Trofim — on 30th January, 2009 at 9:17 pm  

    My deleted comment about being blind in one eye was to indicate that this photo homes in on this feature specifically in order to enhance his unpleasantness, and I think that this is why it was used. Be honest, there are plenty of pictures of him which do not concentrate on his eye which you could have used. So halima@27 and comrade@29 have got the wrong end of the stick. A picture which homed in on Gordon Brown’s blind eye would never be used on this site because he is a goody rather than a baddy.

  36. Anas — on 30th January, 2009 at 9:54 pm  

    Good point Trofim, there’s enough to hate about the evil bastard without focusing on his physical defects.

  37. Jai — on 30th January, 2009 at 11:04 pm  

    I think Billy is upset about the needlessly illiberal tone adopted by Jai.

    I have no reservations or regrets whatsoever about ridiculing and parodying the assumptions of racial superiority over non-white people in general and over South Asians in particular by racist assholes like Nick Griffin and anyone else with a similar mindset, and I will unashamedly continue to do so whenever I am confronted with such delusional bullshit.

    If anyone concerned finds this “aggressive” or “offensive”, all I can say in response is the following:

    “Tough shit. Welcome to the 21st century, motherfucker”.

  38. Ravi Naik — on 30th January, 2009 at 11:08 pm  

    “Tough shit. Welcome to the 21st century, motherfucker”.

    Chris Rock, uh? :)

  39. Sunny — on 30th January, 2009 at 11:29 pm  

    Perhaps you should think twice before siding with aggressive anti-white language

    El Cid, What anti-white language?

  40. douglas clark — on 31st January, 2009 at 4:04 am  

    Rumbold,

    I admire what you are trying to do here. In the wee virtual reality that is PP, you have certainly made a difference, 38 odd posts and counting, and no one, least of all me, would disagree.

  41. halima — on 31st January, 2009 at 4:44 am  

    Thanks PP for moderating.

    Trofim

    “My deleted comment about being blind in one eye was to indicate that this photo homes in on this feature specifically in order to enhance his unpleasantness”

    I realize you didn’t mean anything negative by this – and perhaps i misunderstood, my point is also that none of us should be going with the idea that showing blindness as unpleasant.

  42. El Cid — on 31st January, 2009 at 12:37 pm  

    Why don’t you call me a motherfucker to my face

  43. Leon — on 31st January, 2009 at 12:40 pm  

    Eh?

  44. Refresh — on 31st January, 2009 at 12:47 pm  

    Halima, or dyslexia as Dave Bones has unintentionally implied elsewhere.

  45. El Cid — on 31st January, 2009 at 12:56 pm  

    Jai consistently equates rednecks with white people/the white working class. Either you stamp it out or you will stand forever condemned as no more than tribal warriors or self-interested racial lobbyists, rather than aracial thinkers.

  46. Leon — on 31st January, 2009 at 1:36 pm  

    I don’t even know what an ‘aracial thinker is’ but yeah see your point.

  47. Ravi Naik — on 31st January, 2009 at 1:54 pm  

    Jai consistently equates rednecks with white people/the white working class.

    I think (hope) Jai meant racist people like Nick Griffin, not working class as a whole (which by the way includes blacks and a number of ethnics).

    But I believe there is a misconception that if you are white you have a voice, or you have more voice than if you are a non-white. I believe that your level of education and income determines how much voice you have. And working class do have severe problems that sometimes are overlooked.

    I believe our political system is very immature and stuck with race. We need to focus on the socio-economic factor, and not leave anyone behind. That’s how you achieve equality for all, and that’s how you defeat the BNP.

  48. Shamit — on 31st January, 2009 at 2:29 pm  

    Prejudices are hard to die and some people would always carry it in their heads and some people would act on it.

    It would be naive to believe that racism and use of race as an attacking or defensive political tool is still around and would be around for some.

    Racism manifests in many different ways — its not always being called a Paki its comes in other forms. Not from everyone and definitely not always but it does happen. It happens where you would least expect it — usually, comes from so called very well educated and people who should know better. And a hell of a lot of times you have to bite your tongue and take it — for example, my experiences with Australian immigration & Customs.

    Jai, I believe was talking about the guys I highlighted — and I don’t know where EL CID got the idea about disparaging the working class. I don’t get it

    ***************************************

    Ravi,

    Politics is about socio-economic factors and I think our politics has been focused on those for a long time. After winning the war Churchill lost the election because of socio-economic factors — one of the reasons, Labour won in 1997 — because they talked about fairness and equality in society is best for all of us.

    And, I think majority of the people in this country believe in fairness in society and that is not selfless either. Because, as someone said”either we all go up together or believe me we will all go down together” — it is been a political mantra now and even the top Tory Leadership accepts that. We are a centrist nation and not really half as left or right the media would want us to believe.

    Surprisingly, but rightly so I think the political classes especially those in leadership did not and do not consider race to be a political classes. Maybe, other parts of society have some catching up to do.

  49. Ravi Naik — on 31st January, 2009 at 2:44 pm  

    And a hell of a lot of times you have to bite your tongue and take it — for example, my experiences with Australian immigration & Customs.

    My worst (and only) bad experience was with the Italian immigration – and that was getting out of the country. The idiot started frisking my passport as if something was wrong with it. When he couldn’t say what was wrong with it, he complained my boarding pass looked dodgy (which was absolute fine). The embarrassing thing was that my English colleagues (which had similar boarding passes) had gone through in 1 sec. I wanted to scream you filthy Italian, who do you think you are messing with? But I didn’t.

    Surprisingly, but rightly so I think the political classes especially those in leadership did not and do not consider race to be a political classes.

    What do you mean?

  50. Shamit — on 31st January, 2009 at 2:47 pm  

    do not consider race to be a political classes

    Sorry it supposed to read a political issue

  51. Golam Murtaza — on 31st January, 2009 at 3:25 pm  

    I held a door open for Nick Griffin once. Didn’t actually realise it was him until a couple of seconds too late.

  52. Ravi Naik — on 31st January, 2009 at 3:51 pm  

    Sorry it supposed to read a political issue

    We completely disagree on this, Shamit. Race and identity politics is pretty much exploited by all political parties.

  53. marvin — on 31st January, 2009 at 3:59 pm  

    LOL Golam. Can’t believe you hold doors open for fascists… :P

  54. Jai — on 31st January, 2009 at 5:49 pm  

    Ravi,

    I think (hope) Jai meant racist people like Nick Griffin,

    Yep.

    not working class as a whole

    Obviously not. And as an Oxbridge-educated law graduate, Griffin hardly qualifies as “working class”.

    Shamit,

    Jai, I believe was talking about the guys I highlighted

    Yes, absolutely.

    — and I don’t know where EL CID got the idea about disparaging the working class. I don’t get it

    It’s a peculiar paranoid quirk the guy seems to have. He’s constantly pestering Leon in particular about it.

    ******************

    El Cid,

    Why don’t you call me a motherfucker to my face

    Grow up. And stop being so paranoid and self-centred too.

  55. Jai — on 31st January, 2009 at 5:54 pm  

    Golam,

    I held a door open for Nick Griffin once. Didn’t actually realise it was him until a couple of seconds too late.

    Did he say “Thank you” ?

  56. Jai — on 31st January, 2009 at 6:28 pm  

    not working class as a whole

    Or white people in general. Again, obviously.

  57. ponderer — on 31st January, 2009 at 10:40 pm  

    “I think (hope) Jai meant racist people like Nick Griffin, not working class as a whole (which by the way includes blacks and a number of ethnics).”

    It’s still not a good term for someone who claims to be anti-racist to use. It does alienate people.

  58. El Cid — on 1st February, 2009 at 9:51 am  

    Who are you trying to kid Jai?
    Just cut it out.
    Or learn to write with greater nuance. There is an undertone of bigoted resentment and vengefulness to your writing born, I would wager, from personal frustrations. So be specific if you want to avoid giving a different impression
    The problem with the blog medium is that people shoot from the hip. When it comes to the volatile world of race matters that can lead to misunderstandings.
    White people are not the exception. Why should they be?

    P.S.
    Don’t hide behind Chris Rock to abuse me. I have made a pledge to cut out the abuse. But I will not tolerate others directing abuse at me.

  59. Golam Murtaza — on 1st February, 2009 at 1:30 pm  

    Marvin – I assure you, I’ll try not to make a habit of it. : )

    Jai – Actually, I don’t think he even noticed. He was distracted while talking to someone else. We were in the process of entering the court room where he was being tried for inciting racial hatred, so I guess he can be forgiven for being a trifle preoccupied.

  60. Amrit — on 1st February, 2009 at 1:35 pm  

    El Cid:

    ‘Or learn to write with greater nuance. There is an undertone of bigoted resentment and vengefulness to your writing’

    *coughs* Not trying to fan the flame, but it must be said that I (and I think others) have seen elements of this in your writing relating to class, especially in repeatedly – and inexplicably – accusing Leon of being a ‘public-school boy’.

    Why don’t we all just get over ourselves and enjoy the (freezing) sunshine? :-D

  61. Jai — on 1st February, 2009 at 5:11 pm  

    El Cid,

    There is an undertone of bigoted resentment and vengefulness to your writing

    I have a considerable amount of “bigoted resentment” and “vengefulness” when it comes to white racists like Nick Griffin and anyone else on either side of the Atlantic with false notions of racial superiority over non-white people and who insist on thinking in racial terms as an excuse to elevate themselves and degrade others, and I have no regrets whatsoever about parodying these notions as a way of drawing attention to how ridiculous they really are.

    If you don’t like it, that’s unfortunate, but I’ll continue to react aggressively whenever such bullshit rears its extremely ugly head. And if, for some strange reason, you want to be paranoid and interpret any forceful statements towards white racists as being directed at you personally, that’s even more unfortunate, but it’s something for you to deal with and is your own problem, not mine.

    Or learn to write with greater nuance.

    Or you should learn to read with greater nuance, rather than egotistically believing that the whole world revolves around Mr El Cid and assuming that anything negative anyone says about certain white people in any given situation is about “you”. Or have some humility and self-awareness and acknowledge that there are major flaws in your some of your own perceptions, especially when clarifications have been given on multiple occasions previously and when, even now, there are multiple commenters contradicting your own distorted interpretation.

    PS:

    Not trying to fan the flame, but it must be said that I (and I think others) have seen elements of this in your writing relating to class, especially in repeatedly – and inexplicably – accusing Leon of being a ‘public-school boy’.

    Amrit is absolutely right, and I would wager that this is indeed born of “personal frustration” on your part. You consistently exhibit hatred of public school-educated people and anyone who is clearly not originally from a working class background. You also react extremely badly whenever any other party threatens your own misplaced sense of dominance, especially when the other individual is non-white; it’s the classic sign of a bully.

    Even more curious is why you consistently object to the notion of any black or Asian person aggressively standing up for themselves (or for anyone else from an ethnic minority background) when they are on the receiving end of racial harassment or bullying; possibly you are from a generation that was not used to having to deal with assertive Asians in particular, but like I said, times have changed.

    It’s in your own best interests to get used to this and handle it accordingly, rather than repeatedly complaining whenever we deal counterpunches to bigots who insist on viewing us as subhuman “inferior racial groups” and, indeed, rather than condescendingly lecturing black and Asian people on when and how we have your permission to defend ourselves and each other.

  62. halima — on 1st February, 2009 at 5:24 pm  

    Jai

    I don’t know how Chris Rock would put it – but you the man…:)

  63. Ravi Naik — on 1st February, 2009 at 7:13 pm  

    You also react extremely badly whenever any other party threatens your own misplaced sense of dominance, especially when the other individual is non-white

    It is true that El Cid gets annoying when he insinuates that people who go to public schools are clueless about the “real” people.

    But I do not agree with your characterisation of El Cid, which I find absurd. I have been a PP regular for a couple of years now, and never have I read a message from El Cid that could be interpreted as insulting to Asians.

    The only thing he objected was the term “redneck”, and he assumed you were insulting working class people. You corrected him, and that should be the end of it – no need to use polarising and divisive language, which you know damn well what is going to happen.

  64. Shamit — on 2nd February, 2009 at 2:19 am  

    Jai

    As halima said ” u the man”

  65. Jai — on 2nd February, 2009 at 11:18 am  

    Ravi buddy, I’m afraid we’re going to have to amicably agree to disagree on this occasion.

    I think it would have been much more constructive if El Cid had simply dropped the matter after your and Shamit’s clarifications during my previous absence and particularly after my own post #54 (which I had indeed regarded as “being the end of it”), rather than (somewhat hypocritically) making inflammatory remarks about “bigoted resentment” and “who are you trying to kid” in his post #58, but there you go. *shrug*

    ****************************

    Halima and Shamit, thank you for your kind words. Halima, I don’t know “how Chris Rock would put it” either although I expect it would probably involve a few dozen more swearwords ;) Thanks for the compliment anyway.

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