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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-12174</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Someone on another blog once said of the religious, â€˜If God told you to kill your child, would you do it? If not, then you donâ€™t really believe.â€™

Don, that&#039;s the story of Abraham and Isaac. It&#039;s in the Quran and in the Old Testament. I hate that story.
What a vain, selfish, paranoid, cunt of a God.
Luckily, he/she/it seems to get a bit more easy going and loving in the New Testament.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Someone on another blog once said of the religious, â€˜If God told you to kill your child, would you do it? If not, then you donâ€™t really believe.â€™</p>
<p>Don, that&#8217;s the story of Abraham and Isaac. It&#8217;s in the Quran and in the Old Testament. I hate that story.<br />
What a vain, selfish, paranoid, cunt of a God.<br />
Luckily, he/she/it seems to get a bit more easy going and loving in the New Testament.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Zenab</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-12166</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walekumassalam 
Inshallah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walekumassalam<br />
Inshallah.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilal Mc Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-12040</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilal Mc Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalam Alaikum Zenab

Don&#039;t let the ignrorance of KKKonservatives like Old Pickler and Palune bother you.  When they hear or read about stories about Aisha they only let their western, Orientalism type thinking blind them to the true wisdom of what went on between Muhammad(pbuh) and Aisha.  Inshallah they will open up their hearts one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalam Alaikum Zenab</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let the ignrorance of KKKonservatives like Old Pickler and Palune bother you.  When they hear or read about stories about Aisha they only let their western, Orientalism type thinking blind them to the true wisdom of what went on between Muhammad(pbuh) and Aisha.  Inshallah they will open up their hearts one day.</p>
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		<title>By: Zenab</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-12033</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also the above comment is ONLY for logical and understanding people.Who have a real quest to know about Prophet&#039;s life.the link that i have given encompasses all aspects of his life including common misconceptions regarding Him.And it is not for those stupid oafs who just want 2 throw dirt on him and ask dumb ques.
So after reading the content of that link i urge u all 2 stop 
 arguing on His life and character and get on with your life.
                            Thank You.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also the above comment is ONLY for logical and understanding people.Who have a real quest to know about Prophet&#8217;s life.the link that i have given encompasses all aspects of his life including common misconceptions regarding Him.And it is not for those stupid oafs who just want 2 throw dirt on him and ask dumb ques.<br />
So after reading the content of that link i urge u all 2 stop<br />
 arguing on His life and character and get on with your life.<br />
                            Thank You.</p>
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		<title>By: Zenab</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-12026</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Pickler and Palune,

First let me clear that muslims worship ONLY and ONLY Allah the Almighty.But ,after Allah,the Almighty we respect and love with our whole heart and soul Prophet Mohammad(PBUH).
        On Him the Holy Quran was revealed,He spread the message of peace in the world of Jahiliyah-The pre-Islamic Arabian age of ignorance, marked by barbarism and unbelief. Islam came to end this evil age, according to its view.,He spread Islam not through force but through his moral conduct and superb character.
                I know telling u all this is worthless coz only a muslim can truly feel the love and faith towards him.
     As for his marrying Hazrat Aisha(PBUH) so that was  a part of culture and it had its own wisdom and purpose ordained by Allah.Also,in ISlam marriage is done by the consent of girl so no point of force. ....And may i ask u how many books have u read on His life that u are using bad words for him???? 
   And if u all truly wanna know about his marriage and character then kindly read this-

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/index.shtml

On this web page go to misconceptions and there u will find lots of articles related to these silly questions.

THANK YOu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Pickler and Palune,</p>
<p>First let me clear that muslims worship ONLY and ONLY Allah the Almighty.But ,after Allah,the Almighty we respect and love with our whole heart and soul Prophet Mohammad(PBUH).<br />
        On Him the Holy Quran was revealed,He spread the message of peace in the world of Jahiliyah-The pre-Islamic Arabian age of ignorance, marked by barbarism and unbelief. Islam came to end this evil age, according to its view.,He spread Islam not through force but through his moral conduct and superb character.<br />
                I know telling u all this is worthless coz only a muslim can truly feel the love and faith towards him.<br />
     As for his marrying Hazrat Aisha(PBUH) so that was  a part of culture and it had its own wisdom and purpose ordained by Allah.Also,in ISlam marriage is done by the consent of girl so no point of force. &#8230;.And may i ask u how many books have u read on His life that u are using bad words for him????<br />
   And if u all truly wanna know about his marriage and character then kindly read this-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/mohamed/1424/index.shtml</a></p>
<p>On this web page go to misconceptions and there u will find lots of articles related to these silly questions.</p>
<p>THANK YOu</p>
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		<title>By: Bilal Mc Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11840</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilal Mc Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

&quot;you&#039;ve been sussed&quot;  

I&#039;m sorry I don&#039;t speak scouse, could you please articulate yourself in English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>&#8220;you&#8217;ve been sussed&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry I don&#8217;t speak scouse, could you please articulate yourself in English.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bilal McDaniel

Don&#039;t make me laugh dude - you&#039;ve been sussed. And I never apologise - you have some strange obsession and trollery - weirdo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilal McDaniel</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t make me laugh dude &#8211; you&#8217;ve been sussed. And I never apologise &#8211; you have some strange obsession and trollery &#8211; weirdo.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilal Mc Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11838</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilal Mc Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa Jay!

I have been a Muslim revert for over ten years, what have I written that makes you think that I am some pathetic troll.  Morover, how do you know the ethnicities of the names you mentioned I always thought that Yusuf Smith was Jamaican.  I think, and a few brothers might concur, that an apology is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa Jay!</p>
<p>I have been a Muslim revert for over ten years, what have I written that makes you think that I am some pathetic troll.  Morover, how do you know the ethnicities of the names you mentioned I always thought that Yusuf Smith was Jamaican.  I think, and a few brothers might concur, that an apology is in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Singh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11836</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is someone who trolls here as a white convert to Islam - he impersonates Yusuf Smith, Yahya Birt, Michael Muhammad Knight, and I suspect, &#039;Bilal McDaniel&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is someone who trolls here as a white convert to Islam &#8211; he impersonates Yusuf Smith, Yahya Birt, Michael Muhammad Knight, and I suspect, &#8216;Bilal McDaniel&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Bilal McDaniel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11835</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilal McDaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Pickler and Palune,

You two must be paid up members of the BNP.  Why don&#039;t you crawl back underneath your rocks.  I will not waste my time  debating non-believers about the life of the Prophet(pbuh)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Pickler and Palune,</p>
<p>You two must be paid up members of the BNP.  Why don&#8217;t you crawl back underneath your rocks.  I will not waste my time  debating non-believers about the life of the Prophet(pbuh)</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11761</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cinnamon

Tend to agree. Someone on another blog once said of the religious, &#039;If God told you to kill your child, would you do it? If not, then you don&#039;t really believe.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cinnamon</p>
<p>Tend to agree. Someone on another blog once said of the religious, &#8216;If God told you to kill your child, would you do it? If not, then you don&#8217;t really believe.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Cinnamon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11758</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinnamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

if every religion is taken seriously instead of being viewed as a mild form of insanity by the majority of people in the West, then religion would be regulated like porn, alcohol or nicotine.

The first thing to go out of the window would be the freedom to claim that their deity is the only worthwhile one, and if taken to the logical bitter end, no religion will be legal anymore, or, censored into an even more meaningless pile of deluded ideas than they are already.

So, asking others to respect ones&#039; religous BS is not possible, ever, all we can do is allow people to be crazy as long as they doesn&#039;t bother anyone else or try to make them conform to their weird ideas.

Likewise, asking anyone impartial and sensible to adjudicate in this matter is impossible, since the arguments only make sense if one believes in the premises, and unfortunatly, this is exclusive  of one another.

So, if in doubt, the safest way is to remind people that the freedom of religion is conditinal of this being self-contained, and that a christian can eat a bacon bagel if they want, a muslim can eat halal meat in milk sauce, and athists like me get to eat whatever they bloody like, without having some demented busybody on my case... oh dang, I forgot the NHS/Labour religous decree about about me and my cat not getting obese ... heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>if every religion is taken seriously instead of being viewed as a mild form of insanity by the majority of people in the West, then religion would be regulated like porn, alcohol or nicotine.</p>
<p>The first thing to go out of the window would be the freedom to claim that their deity is the only worthwhile one, and if taken to the logical bitter end, no religion will be legal anymore, or, censored into an even more meaningless pile of deluded ideas than they are already.</p>
<p>So, asking others to respect ones&#8217; religous BS is not possible, ever, all we can do is allow people to be crazy as long as they doesn&#8217;t bother anyone else or try to make them conform to their weird ideas.</p>
<p>Likewise, asking anyone impartial and sensible to adjudicate in this matter is impossible, since the arguments only make sense if one believes in the premises, and unfortunatly, this is exclusive  of one another.</p>
<p>So, if in doubt, the safest way is to remind people that the freedom of religion is conditinal of this being self-contained, and that a christian can eat a bacon bagel if they want, a muslim can eat halal meat in milk sauce, and athists like me get to eat whatever they bloody like, without having some demented busybody on my case&#8230; oh dang, I forgot the NHS/Labour religous decree about about me and my cat not getting obese &#8230; heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Opinionated Voice</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11756</link>
		<dc:creator>Opinionated Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I don&#8217;t know why I didn&#8217;t think of this before. The cartons of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were intentionally offensive, but justified and supported by non-Muslims as &#8216;freedom of speech&#8217;. The placards and slogans above were also intentionally offensive, but I don&#8217;t seem to hear the same non-Muslims accepting them as &#8216;freedom of speech&#8217;. Whatever side of the fence you are on, freedom of speech cannot be unliimited and unstricted unless one lives alone on top of a mountain. Even the Muslim Council of Britain accept this. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I don&#8217;t know why I didn&#8217;t think of this before. The cartons of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) were intentionally offensive, but justified and supported by non-Muslims as &#8216;freedom of speech&#8217;. The placards and slogans above were also intentionally offensive, but I don&#8217;t seem to hear the same non-Muslims accepting them as &#8216;freedom of speech&#8217;. Whatever side of the fence you are on, freedom of speech cannot be unliimited and unstricted unless one lives alone on top of a mountain. Even the Muslim Council of Britain accept this. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11741</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a bloody old comment! I don&#039;t think I wrote that recently...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a bloody old comment! I don&#8217;t think I wrote that recently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline Corine</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11738</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauline Corine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merci Bilal, just so i understand that all Muslims do recognise that Mohammad was a paedophile. But i would have thought that due to his holy status he would be able to rise above pleasures of the flesh with a child.....merci beaucoup</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merci Bilal, just so i understand that all Muslims do recognise that Mohammad was a paedophile. But i would have thought that due to his holy status he would be able to rise above pleasures of the flesh with a child&#8230;..merci beaucoup</p>
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		<title>By: Old Pickler</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11668</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Pickler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a section on page 7 entitled &quot;Bloggers debate the protests&quot;.

&quot;Sunny at pickledpolitics.com:

I don&#039;t see any Muslims protesting against al-Jazeera by showing all those bloody tapes&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a section on page 7 entitled &#8220;Bloggers debate the protests&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sunny at pickledpolitics.com:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any Muslims protesting against al-Jazeera by showing all those bloody tapes&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SeanT, what does the Times say about our lad? I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be able to find a copy today, not till later anyway. Is it online? Me and Sunny in the Times in one week eh? (ok mine wasn&#039;t in print I don&#039;t think)

We need more Muslims-inciting-violence-offended-by-vikings controversies Sunny, if we&#039;re gonna become as famous as we &lt;strike&gt;crave&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;strike&gt;deserve&lt;/strike&gt; would like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SeanT, what does the Times say about our lad? I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be able to find a copy today, not till later anyway. Is it online? Me and Sunny in the Times in one week eh? (ok mine wasn&#8217;t in print I don&#8217;t think)</p>
<p>We need more Muslims-inciting-violence-offended-by-vikings controversies Sunny, if we&#8217;re gonna become as famous as we <strike>crave</strike> <strike>deserve</strike> would like.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Cid,

=&gt;whatâ€™s the point in arresting them?
A convinction is far from certain and would give them even more PR.&quot;

Well, they should be arrested because they&#039;re breaking the law. I agree about the possibility of a lack of conviction (especially considering last week&#039;s events regarding the BNP), but you never know for sure until you actually try.

=&gt;&quot;â€œIncitement to murderâ€ Against whom in particular?&quot;

As in, who are they inciting ? Other Muslims. Who do they wish to murder ? The rest of us.

Some commenters in the news have drawn a very good analogy: If large numbers of BNP supporters were holding protest marches and holding placards aloft stating that (for example) Muslims here should be massacred in revenge for 9/11 or 7/7, they certainly would not be allowed to get away with it and arrests would quickly follow. This would be a correct and appropriate response.

I therefore do not see why Islamists behaving in the same way should not be similarly prosecuted. Yes, there is a risk that a conviction will not follow, and yes you will create (metaphorical) martyrs out of them -- but that&#039;s a risk you have to take, and you cannot hesitate in taking these actions just because some similarly misguided people may decide the jihadists are heroes for their cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Cid,</p>
<p>=&gt;whatâ€™s the point in arresting them?<br />
A convinction is far from certain and would give them even more PR.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, they should be arrested because they&#8217;re breaking the law. I agree about the possibility of a lack of conviction (especially considering last week&#8217;s events regarding the BNP), but you never know for sure until you actually try.</p>
<p>=&gt;&#8221;â€œIncitement to murderâ€ Against whom in particular?&#8221;</p>
<p>As in, who are they inciting ? Other Muslims. Who do they wish to murder ? The rest of us.</p>
<p>Some commenters in the news have drawn a very good analogy: If large numbers of BNP supporters were holding protest marches and holding placards aloft stating that (for example) Muslims here should be massacred in revenge for 9/11 or 7/7, they certainly would not be allowed to get away with it and arrests would quickly follow. This would be a correct and appropriate response.</p>
<p>I therefore do not see why Islamists behaving in the same way should not be similarly prosecuted. Yes, there is a risk that a conviction will not follow, and yes you will create (metaphorical) martyrs out of them &#8212; but that&#8217;s a risk you have to take, and you cannot hesitate in taking these actions just because some similarly misguided people may decide the jihadists are heroes for their cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11652</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cinnamon,

Actually, religion does involve obligations. The trouble lies when those obligations clash with the obligations of a secular society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cinnamon,</p>
<p>Actually, religion does involve obligations. The trouble lies when those obligations clash with the obligations of a secular society.</p>
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		<title>By: Cinnamon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/276#comment-11649</link>
		<dc:creator>Cinnamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jai,

you said:

&quot;We have the â€˜rightâ€™ to exercise freedom of speech â€” NOT the â€˜obligationâ€™ to do so.&quot;

True, but, this is equally true:

We have the right to exercise our freedom of religion -- NOT the &#039;obligation&#039; to do so.

:) :) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jai,</p>
<p>you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;We have the â€˜rightâ€™ to exercise freedom of speech â€” NOT the â€˜obligationâ€™ to do so.&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but, this is equally true:</p>
<p>We have the right to exercise our freedom of religion &#8212; NOT the &#8216;obligation&#8217; to do so.</p>
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