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		<title>By: Dinesh Patel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-15324</link>
		<dc:creator>Dinesh Patel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you people actually know anything about Islam? 

Please do a bit of research about how minority groups are treated in their countries.  

Talk about cartoons. Have any of you any idea of how many people have been killed in protests against the cartoons, particulary christians. I mean what the hell has christians in Nigeria got to do with Danish cartoons?

I can never understand that if muslims hate the west so much why they keep trying to enter the west, claiming Asylum.

Muslims need a better understanding of word PEACE and realise that ALL lifes are valuable not just muslim lifes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you people actually know anything about Islam? </p>
<p>Please do a bit of research about how minority groups are treated in their countries.  </p>
<p>Talk about cartoons. Have any of you any idea of how many people have been killed in protests against the cartoons, particulary christians. I mean what the hell has christians in Nigeria got to do with Danish cartoons?</p>
<p>I can never understand that if muslims hate the west so much why they keep trying to enter the west, claiming Asylum.</p>
<p>Muslims need a better understanding of word PEACE and realise that ALL lifes are valuable not just muslim lifes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12720</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in english now please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in english now please</p>
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		<title>By: Dupslog &#187;</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12715</link>
		<dc:creator>Dupslog &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In een democratische en moderne samenleving begrijpt en aanvaardt een respectabele godsdienstbeleving dat de publieke ruimte VRIJ moet zijn en blijven van private geloofsbelijdenissen om te vermijden dat aanhangers van verschillende goden elkaar naar het leven staan omwille van de ware, de enige, de grootste, de echte.En daar wringt voor velen het schoentje.Sommige vrijzinnigen zoals ons aller limburg-gouverneur Steve Stevaert pleitte zelfs ls ps.a voorzitter voor &#8216;Ander Geloof&#8217; om mensen van alle geloven en gezindten bij elkaar te krijgen en te houden in wederzijds respect. Maar daar heb ik fundamentele twijfels bij.De vrijheid van meningsuiting in een democratische pers staat boven respect voor ieders geloof.VN secretaris generaal Koffi Annan raaskalt als hij oproept tot respect voor de dogma&#8217;s van ieder geloof.Precies die dogma&#8217;s behoren tot de private godsdienst- en geloofsbeleving en dienen dus onder geen beding respect op te eisen in de publieke ruimte.Wie toch al die dogma&#8217;s ondersteunt, krijgt vroeg of laat de godsdienstbelijdenissen over zich heen en wordt eens te meer het slachtoffer of de dader van allerlei gewelddadige manipulaties voor andere doeleinden, als daar zijn het camoufleren van het eigen falen, de binnenlandse politieke ellende of de president die eerder grote sier wil maken dan iets doen aan kapseizende ferryboten waar de kapitein de brug ontvluchtte zoals in Egypte, Libanon, Indonesie, Syrie en het hele Midden Oosten.Bush die met Blair en Straw pleit voor een wettelijk verbod op Blasfemie heeft een heel andere politieke agenda openliggen: hoe krijgen we de hele olieproducerende regio aan de leiband in de omsingeling van China.Moeten wij geen respect opbrengen voor mensen die oprecht proberen naar een geloof te leven dat hun een houvast geeft in barre en bange tijden op voorwaarde dat ze daarin een onderscheid maken tussen het dogma van de rechte leer en de dagelijkse praktijkvoering die vertroosting kan bieden doch er lang niet vanuit gaat dat de wereld maakbaar en herschepbaar en hervormbaar is naar het beeld en de eisen van de eigen god, laat staan dat ze dit soort praatjes willen opdringen aan anderen zoals missionarissen en zendelingen,moeten wij niet alleen maar verachting betonen voor mensen die via een geloof anderen manipuleren en onder druk proberen te zetten,en dat is hier alleszins op een enorme schaal aan de orde.Aan de hand van citaten uit de Koran en de overlevering wijzen veel westerse exegeten op de mogelijkheden voor moslims om zich in te passen in een moderne westerse a-dogmatische samenleving lijkt me erg zinvol voor&#8230;islamieten, en er zijn er velen die dat proberen te doen en vol te houden.Maar de resultaten halen veel te weinig de media, zeker ook in de zogenaamde moslimlanden. Daar worden journalisten per kerende ontslagen en in het beste geval blijft het daarbij.The protests in the Middle East have proven that the cartoonist was right,&quot; said Tarek Fatah, a director of the Muslim Canadian Congress. &quot;It&#8217;s falling straight into that trap of being depicted as a violent people and proving the point that, yes, we are.&quot; Zoals je kan lezen in de uitstekende post: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275Humor en satire kan ook binnen een islamitische benadering van de Cartoonoorlog.http://muttawa.blogspot.com/2006/02/memo.htmlHet denken mag zich nooit onderwerpen, noch aan een dogma, noch aan een partij, noch aan een hartstocht, noch aan het belang, noch aan een vooroordeel, noch aan om &#8216;t even wat, maar uitsluitend aan de feiten zelf, want zich onderwerpen betekent het einde van alle denken. H. PoincarÃ©zie verder in &#8216;Godsdienstbeleving is iets anders dan &#8216;&#8217;Koken met Steve&#039;&#8217; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In een democratische en moderne samenleving begrijpt en aanvaardt een respectabele godsdienstbeleving dat de publieke ruimte VRIJ moet zijn en blijven van private geloofsbelijdenissen om te vermijden dat aanhangers van verschillende goden elkaar naar het leven staan omwille van de ware, de enige, de grootste, de echte.En daar wringt voor velen het schoentje.Sommige vrijzinnigen zoals ons aller limburg-gouverneur Steve Stevaert pleitte zelfs ls ps.a voorzitter voor &#8216;Ander Geloof&#8217; om mensen van alle geloven en gezindten bij elkaar te krijgen en te houden in wederzijds respect. Maar daar heb ik fundamentele twijfels bij.De vrijheid van meningsuiting in een democratische pers staat boven respect voor ieders geloof.VN secretaris generaal Koffi Annan raaskalt als hij oproept tot respect voor de dogma&#8217;s van ieder geloof.Precies die dogma&#8217;s behoren tot de private godsdienst- en geloofsbeleving en dienen dus onder geen beding respect op te eisen in de publieke ruimte.Wie toch al die dogma&#8217;s ondersteunt, krijgt vroeg of laat de godsdienstbelijdenissen over zich heen en wordt eens te meer het slachtoffer of de dader van allerlei gewelddadige manipulaties voor andere doeleinden, als daar zijn het camoufleren van het eigen falen, de binnenlandse politieke ellende of de president die eerder grote sier wil maken dan iets doen aan kapseizende ferryboten waar de kapitein de brug ontvluchtte zoals in Egypte, Libanon, Indonesie, Syrie en het hele Midden Oosten.Bush die met Blair en Straw pleit voor een wettelijk verbod op Blasfemie heeft een heel andere politieke agenda openliggen: hoe krijgen we de hele olieproducerende regio aan de leiband in de omsingeling van China.Moeten wij geen respect opbrengen voor mensen die oprecht proberen naar een geloof te leven dat hun een houvast geeft in barre en bange tijden op voorwaarde dat ze daarin een onderscheid maken tussen het dogma van de rechte leer en de dagelijkse praktijkvoering die vertroosting kan bieden doch er lang niet vanuit gaat dat de wereld maakbaar en herschepbaar en hervormbaar is naar het beeld en de eisen van de eigen god, laat staan dat ze dit soort praatjes willen opdringen aan anderen zoals missionarissen en zendelingen,moeten wij niet alleen maar verachting betonen voor mensen die via een geloof anderen manipuleren en onder druk proberen te zetten,en dat is hier alleszins op een enorme schaal aan de orde.Aan de hand van citaten uit de Koran en de overlevering wijzen veel westerse exegeten op de mogelijkheden voor moslims om zich in te passen in een moderne westerse a-dogmatische samenleving lijkt me erg zinvol voor&#8230;islamieten, en er zijn er velen die dat proberen te doen en vol te houden.Maar de resultaten halen veel te weinig de media, zeker ook in de zogenaamde moslimlanden. Daar worden journalisten per kerende ontslagen en in het beste geval blijft het daarbij.The protests in the Middle East have proven that the cartoonist was right,&quot; said Tarek Fatah, a director of the Muslim Canadian Congress. &quot;It&#8217;s falling straight into that trap of being depicted as a violent people and proving the point that, yes, we are.&quot; Zoals je kan lezen in de uitstekende post: <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275Humor" rel="nofollow">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275Humor</a> en satire kan ook binnen een islamitische benadering van de Cartoonoorlog.<a href="http://muttawa.blogspot.com/2006/02/memo.htmlHet" rel="nofollow">http://muttawa.blogspot.com/2006/02/memo.htmlHet</a> denken mag zich nooit onderwerpen, noch aan een dogma, noch aan een partij, noch aan een hartstocht, noch aan het belang, noch aan een vooroordeel, noch aan om &#8216;t even wat, maar uitsluitend aan de feiten zelf, want zich onderwerpen betekent het einde van alle denken. H. PoincarÃ©zie verder in &#8216;Godsdienstbeleving is iets anders dan &#8216;&#8217;Koken met Steve&#8217;&#8217; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12413</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eerie and Raf* - my apologies, I&#039;ve amended that now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eerie and Raf* &#8211; my apologies, I&#8217;ve amended that now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bea</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12403</link>
		<dc:creator>Bea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to know why  so much attention is given to the Islamic fundamentalism when race hate crimes are on the rise in Southern USA and it&#039;s being shoved under the carpet. Is it because the perpetrators are not Muslims? Here&#039;s a link to the Times if anyone is interested in reading
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2031467,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know why  so much attention is given to the Islamic fundamentalism when race hate crimes are on the rise in Southern USA and it&#8217;s being shoved under the carpet. Is it because the perpetrators are not Muslims? Here&#8217;s a link to the Times if anyone is interested in reading<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2031467,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2031467,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: raf*</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12287</link>
		<dc:creator>raf*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear &lt;b&gt;sunny&lt;/b&gt;,

our little aqoul is not a &quot;muslim&quot; blog.  matter of fact, i don&#039;t even know the religious affiliation of most of the other authors.  i certainly do not identify as &quot;muslim&quot; - i simply don&#039;t DO ethno-religious identity.

to classify our postings are &quot;moderate muslim voice&quot; would, thus, be misleading. 

we&#039;re analyzing &amp; commenting.  we do not represent.

but thanks for the nice words, anyway ...

--raf*

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear <b>sunny</b>,</p>
<p>our little aqoul is not a &#8220;muslim&#8221; blog.  matter of fact, i don&#8217;t even know the religious affiliation of most of the other authors.  i certainly do not identify as &#8220;muslim&#8221; &#8211; i simply don&#8217;t DO ethno-religious identity.</p>
<p>to classify our postings are &#8220;moderate muslim voice&#8221; would, thus, be misleading. </p>
<p>we&#8217;re analyzing &amp; commenting.  we do not represent.</p>
<p>but thanks for the nice words, anyway &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211;raf*</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aqoul.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.aqoul.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12187</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kay, i totally agree with what u saying about these countries relying on oil for their income, my point wasn&#039;t about western powers stopping these countries from expanding the variety of their exports, the point i was making was that the west exploits the mid/east countries by installing corruption within the political systems of those countries, and it is this western interference which causes anti western views amongst the people living muslim countries.
my point was about anti western views not economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kay, i totally agree with what u saying about these countries relying on oil for their income, my point wasn&#8217;t about western powers stopping these countries from expanding the variety of their exports, the point i was making was that the west exploits the mid/east countries by installing corruption within the political systems of those countries, and it is this western interference which causes anti western views amongst the people living muslim countries.<br />
my point was about anti western views not economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Bea</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12169</link>
		<dc:creator>Bea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahem! this is to clarify, I was agreeing with Ash&#039;s point of view not the lack of interpersonal skills. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahem! this is to clarify, I was agreeing with Ash&#8217;s point of view not the lack of interpersonal skills. <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welfare economics?

Ash, you&#039;ve raised some good points, but unfortunetly c&#039;est la vie! 
U can&#039;t just minimise such inequalities that a majority of arab muslims are facing. 
Firstly, you have to examine the fact that unless arab states (Saudia Arabia) can introduce establish a strong infrastructure and have political stability, then there will ways be a loop-hole which will be explioted by superstructures i.e The states, UK etc.
Secondly, examine the Gulfan economies, there GDP comprises primarily of oil export, they need to spread risk across several commodities inorder to defer reliance on such a rear commodity Oil.

PS - I&#039;m by no means a specialist on Gulfan economies, so i&#039;m generalising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welfare economics?</p>
<p>Ash, you&#8217;ve raised some good points, but unfortunetly c&#8217;est la vie!<br />
U can&#8217;t just minimise such inequalities that a majority of arab muslims are facing.<br />
Firstly, you have to examine the fact that unless arab states (Saudia Arabia) can introduce establish a strong infrastructure and have political stability, then there will ways be a loop-hole which will be explioted by superstructures i.e The states, UK etc.<br />
Secondly, examine the Gulfan economies, there GDP comprises primarily of oil export, they need to spread risk across several commodities inorder to defer reliance on such a rear commodity Oil.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I&#8217;m by no means a specialist on Gulfan economies, so i&#8217;m generalising.</p>
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		<title>By: Bea</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12167</link>
		<dc:creator>Bea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hear hear Ash! Finally someone talking sense. There&#039;s a rampant disease these days called selective amnesia. Most people only remember to point out the wickedness of the suicide bombers and the evil, the ME is exporting other along with oil. 
They somehow manage to forget where all this began. It takes two to tango and the western goverments over the decades are just as much to blame if not more. Just to add, Some countries ( I hope you are all enlightened enough to know which ones) also thrive on selling weapons. Waging wars on their past mistakes not only fills the pockets of their already rich and powerful, it also gives them a chance to practice the art of spin as we have recently witnessed firsthand.
Thus strengthening their economy at cost of the reciepient country which always and inveitably turns out to be another oil-enriched Muslim dwelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hear hear Ash! Finally someone talking sense. There&#8217;s a rampant disease these days called selective amnesia. Most people only remember to point out the wickedness of the suicide bombers and the evil, the ME is exporting other along with oil.<br />
They somehow manage to forget where all this began. It takes two to tango and the western goverments over the decades are just as much to blame if not more. Just to add, Some countries ( I hope you are all enlightened enough to know which ones) also thrive on selling weapons. Waging wars on their past mistakes not only fills the pockets of their already rich and powerful, it also gives them a chance to practice the art of spin as we have recently witnessed firsthand.<br />
Thus strengthening their economy at cost of the reciepient country which always and inveitably turns out to be another oil-enriched Muslim dwelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12165</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>=&gt;&quot;oohh Jay Singh, where were u when they were giving out brainsâ€¦â€¦â€¦..
Antiwestern views in the muslim world donâ€™t come from povertyâ€¦.u idiotâ€¦.

, it was this next idiot called Bijna, he/she needs to join u in line.&quot;

I suspect that Ash missed the boat when they were handing out interpersonal skills too.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>=&gt;&#8221;oohh Jay Singh, where were u when they were giving out brainsâ€¦â€¦â€¦..<br />
Antiwestern views in the muslim world donâ€™t come from povertyâ€¦.u idiotâ€¦.</p>
<p>, it was this next idiot called Bijna, he/she needs to join u in line.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect that Ash missed the boat when they were handing out interpersonal skills too&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Cid,
            explain what u meant by this:

&quot;and im sure you havenâ€™t got a complex either&quot;.

i ain&#039;t too good with words that i don&#039;t use myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Cid,<br />
            explain what u meant by this:</p>
<p>&#8220;and im sure you havenâ€™t got a complex either&#8221;.</p>
<p>i ain&#8217;t too good with words that i don&#8217;t use myself.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12031</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, that&#039;s a devastating critique. wow , ur grasp of economics is really good. and im sure you haven&#039;t got a complex either</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, that&#8217;s a devastating critique. wow , ur grasp of economics is really good. and im sure you haven&#8217;t got a complex either</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/275#comment-12027</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So on to u mr/mrs/ms Bijna,

&quot;Look at Western Europe: by means of high taxes (like 50%) the money is redistributed.&quot;

&quot;The people of Western Europe are better of because they share the money (and dont have 12 children).&quot;

lets take an example, like say petrol(fuel duty).
Here in the UK we pay 82-85p per litre, now 65%+ of that is tax. The reason the british government can add that level of tax and still keep the cost of fuel at a level which is reasonably acceptable to the british public is because it buys the oil very cheaply, heres were the relationship between the saudi royal family and western governments pays off. U see the west protects the saudi royals, keeps them in power (all those US troops in saudi &#039;protection against sadam&#039;???) in return for dirt cheap oil.
the saudi royals don&#039;t spread the wealth and so become billionaires, while most ordinary saudies live in poverty.
Now lets talk about the British standard of life....services like the NHS, schooling etc,
these all require funding which fuel duty plays a major part in, just think 65% of tatal fuel sales.
So u see Bijna, because the west greases the palms of middle eastern tyrants to obtain cheap oil, meaning the supplying countries inherit a fraction of the oils value, so as the buying countries can add on tax, so as to improve their own countries.
 Western countries run on oil tax revenues, imagine if Saudi Arabia lost its royal family and became a democracy, they would almost definately increase the price of their oil so as to generate more revenue to improve services, they&#039;d become the bench mark for every country to look up to, were as  all western countries revenues would decrease, unless taxes were increased causing chaos in the their economies as businesses crumble, and hence living conditions drop.
This is why saudi is never under pressure to become a democracy, as long as it has oil.
 
i hope this makes things a little clearer for u Bijna, for one party to become more better off, another party has to become more worse off, thats the rule in a world of limited resourses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So on to u mr/mrs/ms Bijna,</p>
<p>&#8220;Look at Western Europe: by means of high taxes (like 50%) the money is redistributed.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The people of Western Europe are better of because they share the money (and dont have 12 children).&#8221;</p>
<p>lets take an example, like say petrol(fuel duty).<br />
Here in the UK we pay 82-85p per litre, now 65%+ of that is tax. The reason the british government can add that level of tax and still keep the cost of fuel at a level which is reasonably acceptable to the british public is because it buys the oil very cheaply, heres were the relationship between the saudi royal family and western governments pays off. U see the west protects the saudi royals, keeps them in power (all those US troops in saudi &#8216;protection against sadam&#8217;???) in return for dirt cheap oil.<br />
the saudi royals don&#8217;t spread the wealth and so become billionaires, while most ordinary saudies live in poverty.<br />
Now lets talk about the British standard of life&#8230;.services like the NHS, schooling etc,<br />
these all require funding which fuel duty plays a major part in, just think 65% of tatal fuel sales.<br />
So u see Bijna, because the west greases the palms of middle eastern tyrants to obtain cheap oil, meaning the supplying countries inherit a fraction of the oils value, so as the buying countries can add on tax, so as to improve their own countries.<br />
 Western countries run on oil tax revenues, imagine if Saudi Arabia lost its royal family and became a democracy, they would almost definately increase the price of their oil so as to generate more revenue to improve services, they&#8217;d become the bench mark for every country to look up to, were as  all western countries revenues would decrease, unless taxes were increased causing chaos in the their economies as businesses crumble, and hence living conditions drop.<br />
This is why saudi is never under pressure to become a democracy, as long as it has oil.</p>
<p>i hope this makes things a little clearer for u Bijna, for one party to become more better off, another party has to become more worse off, thats the rule in a world of limited resourses.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry Jay Singh, it wasn&#039;t u talking about the billionares, it was this next idiot called Bijna, he/she needs to join u in line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry Jay Singh, it wasn&#8217;t u talking about the billionares, it was this next idiot called Bijna, he/she needs to join u in line.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So why are the poor Hindus and Buddhists and Catholics in Asia, Africa and Latin America getting on with life, trying to work hard to drag themselves out of poverty, without thriving off anti-Western views and antagonism? This has got nothing to do with poverty.&quot;

oohh Jay Singh, where were u when they were giving out brains...........
Antiwestern views in the muslim world don&#039;t come from poverty....u idiot....u may have heard of a thick black liquidy thing called OIL...it&#039;s something the west needs to keep running and something most muslim countries have in abundance, now the west has done anything in it&#039;s power (ever since oil was discovered) to obtain a cheap and reliable supply, such as install and support regimes in those countries despite their stance on human rights etc.......because we getting cheap oil right!
Also the west has used muslims in the past to achieve they&#039;re own ends and abondoned them, knowing that those same people who they&#039;d been &#039;supporting&#039; would face grave consequenses when the support was cut off......but then u know, they&#039;d served their purpose, they&#039;re expendable(Afghanistan).

 So mr Jay Singh, u see, all this meddling the west does with middle eastern politics leads to the people of the mid/east having to live with the policies made by their corrupt politicians who serve the interests of the western governments, seeing a way to make huge sums of money for themselves knowing they can&#039;t be removed because they have western military support (Saudi Arabia).
All these billionares living large while the majority in the country live in poverty (u talking about), who helped them get too that position? who do u think?

Anti western views in the muslim world come from the people who have to suffer from the effects of western governments corrupting their countries, taking what they want without considering the effects it will have on the people of those countries.......and then there&#039;s palestine, i ain&#039;t even gonna start on that subject.

also u talking about why Hindus/ Catholic/buddhists don&#039;t share the same antiwestern views, well what do(or ever did) any of those groups have that the west wanted as bad as oil, they live theyre own lives, they don&#039;t get bombed by the west to remove dictators placed in positions of power by the west, also as islam is the world&#039;s fastest growing religion, western natives see Islam as the only threat, so theres conflict there. u ain&#039;t gonna get some Buddhist/Hindu uprising so why would they be interferred with? they have no reason to have anti western views other than the fact that they are being commercially exploited.

So Jay Singh, remember to get back in line for that brain, u kinda need one.....seriously!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So why are the poor Hindus and Buddhists and Catholics in Asia, Africa and Latin America getting on with life, trying to work hard to drag themselves out of poverty, without thriving off anti-Western views and antagonism? This has got nothing to do with poverty.&#8221;</p>
<p>oohh Jay Singh, where were u when they were giving out brains&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Antiwestern views in the muslim world don&#8217;t come from poverty&#8230;.u idiot&#8230;.u may have heard of a thick black liquidy thing called OIL&#8230;it&#8217;s something the west needs to keep running and something most muslim countries have in abundance, now the west has done anything in it&#8217;s power (ever since oil was discovered) to obtain a cheap and reliable supply, such as install and support regimes in those countries despite their stance on human rights etc&#8230;&#8230;.because we getting cheap oil right!<br />
Also the west has used muslims in the past to achieve they&#8217;re own ends and abondoned them, knowing that those same people who they&#8217;d been &#8216;supporting&#8217; would face grave consequenses when the support was cut off&#8230;&#8230;but then u know, they&#8217;d served their purpose, they&#8217;re expendable(Afghanistan).</p>
<p> So mr Jay Singh, u see, all this meddling the west does with middle eastern politics leads to the people of the mid/east having to live with the policies made by their corrupt politicians who serve the interests of the western governments, seeing a way to make huge sums of money for themselves knowing they can&#8217;t be removed because they have western military support (Saudi Arabia).<br />
All these billionares living large while the majority in the country live in poverty (u talking about), who helped them get too that position? who do u think?</p>
<p>Anti western views in the muslim world come from the people who have to suffer from the effects of western governments corrupting their countries, taking what they want without considering the effects it will have on the people of those countries&#8230;&#8230;.and then there&#8217;s palestine, i ain&#8217;t even gonna start on that subject.</p>
<p>also u talking about why Hindus/ Catholic/buddhists don&#8217;t share the same antiwestern views, well what do(or ever did) any of those groups have that the west wanted as bad as oil, they live theyre own lives, they don&#8217;t get bombed by the west to remove dictators placed in positions of power by the west, also as islam is the world&#8217;s fastest growing religion, western natives see Islam as the only threat, so theres conflict there. u ain&#8217;t gonna get some Buddhist/Hindu uprising so why would they be interferred with? they have no reason to have anti western views other than the fact that they are being commercially exploited.</p>
<p>So Jay Singh, remember to get back in line for that brain, u kinda need one&#8230;..seriously!</p>
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		<title>By: Dupslog &#187; Blog Archief &#187;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dupslog &#187; Blog Archief &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ceridwen Devi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceridwen Devi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is so sad that because of these stupid cartoons lives have now been lost including a 14 year old boy in Somalia. Is Jyllands Posten worth one human life. So five people are dead. Can&#039;t we all calm down a bit. Boycott Danish goods and hit them in their wallets. But why shed blood because of a stupid Danish newspaper editor.&lt;a href=&quot;http://radicalranter.blogspot.com/2006/02/what-price-freedom-of-speech.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Freedom of speech.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so sad that because of these stupid cartoons lives have now been lost including a 14 year old boy in Somalia. Is Jyllands Posten worth one human life. So five people are dead. Can&#8217;t we all calm down a bit. Boycott Danish goods and hit them in their wallets. But why shed blood because of a stupid Danish newspaper editor.<a href="http://radicalranter.blogspot.com/2006/02/what-price-freedom-of-speech.html" rel="nofollow">Freedom of speech.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Venichka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venichka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the expression &quot;those journalists at Jyllands-posten are nothing but reactionary provocateurs&quot; does spring to mind.</description>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh!</description>
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