I don’t frikking believe it. Bikkhi is developing a sense of humour. So PP must have had an impact on her

without knowing what you’re specifically referring to (“encountered an anti-zionist/Israel rant from you many months ago.”) in context, I can’t really defend myself.

My personal bugbear is the plight of Palestinians. This often comes across as antisemitism to many. And still more use it refelexively as something to use against me in arguments (Hello j0nz, Eric et al) to misrepresent. As for antisemetism being played up more than than other racisms per se, I stand by my argument. That does not make me antisemitic, since I agree with other Jewish people who have said and continue to say the same thing.

We are all guilty of over-egging our personal outrage every now and then – and this comes across as a personal bigotry. Not long ago you seemed to damn the entire population of Pakistan because of the treatment of Hindu minorities.

Neither of us are bigots so lets bury the hatchet on this one. Personally, I think we’re on the same side than not.
My estimation for you has not fallen btw, if that means anything to you.

The irony with the Nick Griffin judgement which is now a case in point for the free speech vs Islamist denial of publishing religiously offensive cartoons, is that, in the blink of an eye, the pro-War “Left” is now firmly in missionary position with the the very very Far Right.

Note how the comments on any given Harry’s Place comments thread sound exactly like they were lip-synched by a certain BNP stalwart.

Harry’s Place is actually Nick’s Toilet.

Unfortunately I would have to agree with you about this religious bill. While I, and Islam dont respect freedom of speech because the preserving the honor and dignity of the religion and its Prophets and their companions are more important, it wouldnt be right that I couldnt slander Sufis, Shias, Hizbis, and Takfiris.

“You seem to have picked d, the most mature option. Although c can be fun, once you get into it.”

I gotta ask how will Muslims respond in kind? Will we mock Jesus or Moses? That wouldnt be right. The only thing Muslims can do is just ignore it. In the meantime I will be starting a business of professional Muslims threateners who will threaten publications and people for a nominal fee (bomb threats are extra) in order to create a media frenzy to either boost sales or boost public stature.

Is anyone here in need of a threat from a bonafide Muslim? Our slogan: “When your career is in a mess, dail a threat”

I fear you are right about the Griffin trial – it should not have happened.

I’m not sure Sunny. But it isn’t good

With the hysteria over a few danish caricatures (which no doubt strongly contributed to the MP votes going this way as well) the public mood is on sub-zero for tolerance of Islam In Europe, the freedom of speech is just as sacred as Mohammed is in Arabia, if not more.

We fear any kind of God(s) a lot less than fascism, and free speech is the one weapon against it that has real teeth.

The entire thing about proscecuting or otherwise harassing people over what they say has spectacularily backfired –

Griffin is standing like a hero, and for once, the man is in public tune with what he is saying. He rehearsed to sound like he is making eminent sense. The worst outcome would be his conviction I feel. And btw, more than ‘we hate the BNP’ and some noisy emotional slogans is needed here to go against this.

Hamza is using the Islam and the Koran as defense for preaching violence.

Muslims demonstrate worldwide to forbid free speech and hold the feta cheese to ransom and want to blow up whatever and whoever is in reach. And in the process, they made sure that everyone now has taken a look to see for themselves at what is so offending(nothing much btw), talk about negative PR at its worst…(!)

So, I’m going to bet that Labour will never dare to use this law, because the amount of crazyness and emotions unleashed on all sides is a worse outcome than the original problem.

Muslims and Africans in Europe aren’t inevitably heading towards a social meltdown. If Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and Sikkhs can live together happily then why shouldn’t Muslims as well?

The writing is on the wall, Muslims and Africans in Europe are heading towards a social meltdown, similar to what the Jewish community faced in the start and middle of 20th Century. It is the periodic unleashing of animosity on a massive scale that certain quarters of the European mentality is prone to, which the Jewish peoples know about, only too well.

Muslim communities should stop regarding Jews as enemies and build bridges to learn from the actions they have taken to build their communities up. Similarly, Jewish communities should reach out and touch the beleagured Muslim communities, rather than continually make them the scapegoat for all the antisemitism that comes from them and the wider community.

Am I talking out of my arse? Am I projecting paranoia? I don’t know, but its worth a discussion.

I tend to agree with your conclusions. It’s never pleasant to have your beliefs mocked, but it’s going to happen and as far as I can see you have four options;

a. Get violent.
b. Kick up a huge fuss and demand respect.
c. Respond in kind.
d. Dignified contempt.

You seem to have picked d, the most mature option. Although c can be fun, once you get into it.

Setting the bar kind of high there, Sid.

Is it as widespread as that towards the Somalian community?

Anti-semitism not really harming people’s lives?

WTF are you talking about?

Just look at the issue with the cartoons of the prophet mohammed (pbuh). Just look how media in other European countries followed suit, trying to go ahead in an act of defiance, but really, what are they doing? I see it as arrogance, a stamping of fists of ‘our superior value of ‘freedom’….. our ‘freedom to insult’ so we will insult.

The Muslims shouldn’t be going nuts about it like they are, it is disliked to have images of god and the prophets (pbuh)..so let the newspapers face their own judgment to God, surely they are displaying their own vulgarity, insensitivity, and are just jumping at the excuse to continue their deadman-VanGogh sentiments….. but let them show how crude they want to be, why demand they hide their inner sentiments. With regard to the cartoon images published by the french and germans, why were they itching to further insult Muslims? There was no pressing need or a need for their public to see these pictures? It was just purely for kick in the face purposes.These sentiments are everywhere, you can even see it cloaked in the compositions of editors of this blog. In their countries it is their right to insult us Muslims, so let them, surely there is only one way to show the manners and respect Islam teaches us. They are given the opportunity to behave like cockroaches, and they took it. Big deal. They are just showing the colours of their heart.

I think outlawing the offending of religions is quite pointless, how are you going to police it? Only the mainstream media can be watched, and half of the columnists wouldnt have much to write about, Richard Littlejohn will move to to the States and there will be a huge shake-up of the media industry.

But none of this detracts from the fact that Zionism is underpinned by elements of fascism. As is the falangism of extremist Islamic fundamentalism.

Mark Elf of Jews sans Frontieres clears it up:

I think it’s time to say that most public (that is institutional and media amplified) allegations of anti-semitism are false. It does cause a problem because some allegations of anti-semitism are true. I think given that false ones seem to outnumber true ones then we shouldn’t expend too much energy trying to discover which is which. Instead I think we should focus on forms of racism that are really harming people’s lives. Anti-semitism isn’t one of them. Zionism is.

These views are certainly not stamped out and are even encouraged. I’m pretty sure tho that some of the articles are written to encourage that sort of thing, and flung down to the baying commenters, who do the rest. There was one who made a particularly snidey racist remark to PP’s very own Sunny. To be fair, the guy apologised, sort of. But was back on the next day waxing his views of race and IQ!

Still, its a great place if you want to wind up a bunch of jumped up Zionists.

You mention ‘racists, fascists and misanthropes of LGF and Harry’s Place’. I rarely visit LGF so can’t comment but I’m interested in your comment about Harry’s Place? Do you find racism and fascism amongst the contributors or just in the comments sections? My impression is that any racism is quickly stamped on. Am I wrong? Please illuminate.