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		<title>By: Anthony Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-239845</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 21:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@georgemonbiot @johannhari101 said doesn&#039;t like whataboutery http://t.co/wOCClej as has @sunny_hundal  http://t.co/qdEJRQx @DavidAllenGreen&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@georgemonbiot @johannhari101 said doesn&#39;t like whataboutery <a href="http://t.co/wOCClej" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/wOCClej</a> as has @sunny_hundal  <a href="http://t.co/qdEJRQx" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/qdEJRQx</a> @DavidAllenGreen</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: BenSix</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-148407</link>
		<dc:creator>BenSix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Scans the above poem*

Tsh, gotta go to a funeral for some laughs after reading that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Scans the above poem*</p>
<p>Tsh, gotta go to a funeral for some laughs after reading that.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-148406</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this on another blog, very funny.

The Little Dickie Silverstein Marching Song

I am a little kapo,
It makes my mommy mad,
Cause when I am a kapo,
Those Zionists get sad!

I celebrate the jihad,
and terror all the while,
I fill my blog and web page,
With loud salutes of Sieg Heil!

I want to see them Zraelis,
All dumped out in the sea,
My swastika a waving,
Cause everythingâ€™s bout me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this on another blog, very funny.</p>
<p>The Little Dickie Silverstein Marching Song</p>
<p>I am a little kapo,<br />
It makes my mommy mad,<br />
Cause when I am a kapo,<br />
Those Zionists get sad!</p>
<p>I celebrate the jihad,<br />
and terror all the while,<br />
I fill my blog and web page,<br />
With loud salutes of Sieg Heil!</p>
<p>I want to see them Zraelis,<br />
All dumped out in the sea,<br />
My swastika a waving,<br />
Cause everythingâ€™s bout me.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-145075</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chairwoman - &quot;I have to, because when hotheads such as SE become the majority, and life becomes more â€˜difficultâ€™ for Jews in this country, I would rather go to a besieged Israel than wherever SE has in store for me.

Please donâ€™t say it canâ€™t happen here, who would have thought it could have happened in Germany while I was in my motherâ€™s womb?&quot;

Well I hope it doesn&#039;t become difficult for Jews anywhere or Muslims or Christians or anyone anywhere.

I wouldn&#039;t say it can&#039;t happen but I would say we need to work to avoid it.

As I said we need to work towards events to bring together Jews and Muslims and remind them that they have a shared history. Yes there are episodes which are not good but there are also good times.

Bring people together and have a greater understanding of each other.

BTW I do understand what you are saying and am trying to support you with project ideas and also help to continue your quest to find out more about your family who persished at Nazi hands. I may not be of much use but I&#039;ll try :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chairwoman &#8211; &#8220;I have to, because when hotheads such as SE become the majority, and life becomes more â€˜difficultâ€™ for Jews in this country, I would rather go to a besieged Israel than wherever SE has in store for me.</p>
<p>Please donâ€™t say it canâ€™t happen here, who would have thought it could have happened in Germany while I was in my motherâ€™s womb?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I hope it doesn&#8217;t become difficult for Jews anywhere or Muslims or Christians or anyone anywhere.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say it can&#8217;t happen but I would say we need to work to avoid it.</p>
<p>As I said we need to work towards events to bring together Jews and Muslims and remind them that they have a shared history. Yes there are episodes which are not good but there are also good times.</p>
<p>Bring people together and have a greater understanding of each other.</p>
<p>BTW I do understand what you are saying and am trying to support you with project ideas and also help to continue your quest to find out more about your family who persished at Nazi hands. I may not be of much use but I&#8217;ll try <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144937</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chairwoman

I hear where you&#039;re coming from (and where you&#039;re going to). That&#039;s what I think about South Africa. It&#039;s the one place where I would run to if ever I thought that the safety of me and my family became untenable in the UK, but only in very, very extreme circumstances would I want white people run out of South Africa as a response of me being run out of the UK. You see, two wrongs don&#039;t make a right. 

It shouldn&#039;t be forgotten that one of the (secret) friends and supporters of the Apartheid Regime was the State of Israel. They supplied both arms, logistics and intelligence to Pretoria for years (breaking the UN arms embargo) before the liberation. So not all of Israel&#039;s exports were a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chairwoman</p>
<p>I hear where you&#8217;re coming from (and where you&#8217;re going to). That&#8217;s what I think about South Africa. It&#8217;s the one place where I would run to if ever I thought that the safety of me and my family became untenable in the UK, but only in very, very extreme circumstances would I want white people run out of South Africa as a response of me being run out of the UK. You see, two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right. </p>
<p>It shouldn&#8217;t be forgotten that one of the (secret) friends and supporters of the Apartheid Regime was the State of Israel. They supplied both arms, logistics and intelligence to Pretoria for years (breaking the UN arms embargo) before the liberation. So not all of Israel&#8217;s exports were a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144924</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,
Economically, it is dispensible in the short-term. Trust me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,<br />
Economically, it is dispensible in the short-term. Trust me.</p>
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		<title>By: chairwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144922</link>
		<dc:creator>chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning Imran 

My answer was entirely accurate.  At no time have I said that I support the current action of the Israeli Government.

Neither did I support the US/UK invasion of Iraq which made absolutely no sense whatsoever, and was certainly of no advantage to Israel, though of course, it was to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

But I de-railed.  Forgive me :-)


But I still support &lt;b&gt;and always will support&lt;/b&gt; the existence of the State of Israel.  I have to, because when hotheads such as SE become the majority, and life becomes more &#039;difficult&#039; for Jews in this country, I would rather go to a besieged Israel than wherever SE has in store for me.

Please don&#039;t say it can&#039;t happen here, who would have thought it could have happened in Germany while I was in my mother&#039;s womb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning Imran </p>
<p>My answer was entirely accurate.  At no time have I said that I support the current action of the Israeli Government.</p>
<p>Neither did I support the US/UK invasion of Iraq which made absolutely no sense whatsoever, and was certainly of no advantage to Israel, though of course, it was to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.</p>
<p>But I de-railed.  Forgive me <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But I still support <b>and always will support</b> the existence of the State of Israel.  I have to, because when hotheads such as SE become the majority, and life becomes more &#8216;difficult&#8217; for Jews in this country, I would rather go to a besieged Israel than wherever SE has in store for me.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t say it can&#8217;t happen here, who would have thought it could have happened in Germany while I was in my mother&#8217;s womb?</p>
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		<title>By: halima</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144903</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But neither is Israelâ€™s economy (in the log term) indispensable. Nothing in life is. The world will keep on turning even after we are all dead.&quot;

I&#039;d add that the world will keep on turning after we&#039;ve all been dead - and after the American economy ,too , has eclipsed ( we&#039;re in the middle of this downward spiral right now) .. and it seems to be so much of our responses to world crisis is based on calculations of what the Americans will or won&#039;t do. That&#039;s putting an awful lot of faith in one place. It&#039;s almost a leap of faith as people leaving god to sort things out.  We need to  get out of what i&#039;d call , for want of a better word, presentisim, it blinds us to making solutions work because it won&#039;t work now or hasn&#039;t in the past. With renewed political will, the same solutions can be enforced. We don&#039;t need new ideas for solving Israel Palestine. It&#039;s not rocket science, it&#039;s political will that&#039;s missing.

Chairwoman ,  you got me! Respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But neither is Israelâ€™s economy (in the log term) indispensable. Nothing in life is. The world will keep on turning even after we are all dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d add that the world will keep on turning after we&#8217;ve all been dead &#8211; and after the American economy ,too , has eclipsed ( we&#8217;re in the middle of this downward spiral right now) .. and it seems to be so much of our responses to world crisis is based on calculations of what the Americans will or won&#8217;t do. That&#8217;s putting an awful lot of faith in one place. It&#8217;s almost a leap of faith as people leaving god to sort things out.  We need to  get out of what i&#8217;d call , for want of a better word, presentisim, it blinds us to making solutions work because it won&#8217;t work now or hasn&#8217;t in the past. With renewed political will, the same solutions can be enforced. We don&#8217;t need new ideas for solving Israel Palestine. It&#8217;s not rocket science, it&#8217;s political will that&#8217;s missing.</p>
<p>Chairwoman ,  you got me! Respect.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144894</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chairwoman

Your love for Israel is killing the very thing you love as surely as day follows night. What Israel needs now is a reality check and a healthy dose of tough love and humble pie. BTW: The Palestinians need exactly the same thing. Your entrenched position negates the fact that the hole you&#039;re in is filling up with water. You can either choose to stay in the hole and drown or you could choose to get out of it and set your feet on terra firma. Your choice. Choose wisely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chairwoman</p>
<p>Your love for Israel is killing the very thing you love as surely as day follows night. What Israel needs now is a reality check and a healthy dose of tough love and humble pie. BTW: The Palestinians need exactly the same thing. Your entrenched position negates the fact that the hole you&#8217;re in is filling up with water. You can either choose to stay in the hole and drown or you could choose to get out of it and set your feet on terra firma. Your choice. Choose wisely.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144893</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katy

I&#039;ve just re-read Halima&#039;s post (No: 32) along with your own but I&#039;m sorry my point still stands. If someone is going to lead you down a blind alley, do yourself a favour and DON&quot;T FOLLOW THEM. The consequences of your post would have meant the Palestinian being deprived of the means to defend themselves. It was this I was objecting to and nothing else.

There is a time and a place for everything and that includes BOYCOTTS and the like. Right now, in the current situation, I tend to be in agreement with you regarding the rights and wrongs of BOYCOTTING. I simply can&#039;t see them working, period. 

El Cid

I think anyone who thinks that the world (in it&#039;s present  economic dire strait) could do without the innovation coming out of Israel is nothing short of crazy. Period! But neither is Israel&#039;s economy (in the log term) indispensable. Nothing in life is. The world will keep on turning even after we are all dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just re-read Halima&#8217;s post (No: 32) along with your own but I&#8217;m sorry my point still stands. If someone is going to lead you down a blind alley, do yourself a favour and DON&#8221;T FOLLOW THEM. The consequences of your post would have meant the Palestinian being deprived of the means to defend themselves. It was this I was objecting to and nothing else.</p>
<p>There is a time and a place for everything and that includes BOYCOTTS and the like. Right now, in the current situation, I tend to be in agreement with you regarding the rights and wrongs of BOYCOTTING. I simply can&#8217;t see them working, period. </p>
<p>El Cid</p>
<p>I think anyone who thinks that the world (in it&#8217;s present  economic dire strait) could do without the innovation coming out of Israel is nothing short of crazy. Period! But neither is Israel&#8217;s economy (in the log term) indispensable. Nothing in life is. The world will keep on turning even after we are all dead.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144871</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I know I expressed it incorrectly. 
But it was too late to re-edit by the time I noticed.
An easy goal to put away but a meaningless one. 
You know what I meant madam.

Imran,
The world economy can do without Israel. Trust me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I know I expressed it incorrectly.<br />
But it was too late to re-edit by the time I noticed.<br />
An easy goal to put away but a meaningless one.<br />
You know what I meant madam.</p>
<p>Imran,<br />
The world economy can do without Israel. Trust me.</p>
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		<title>By: comrade</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144868</link>
		<dc:creator>comrade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, like â€œwrinkle-resistantâ€

 No, like the Gazans resistant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, like â€œwrinkle-resistantâ€</p>
<p> No, like the Gazans resistant</p>
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		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144857</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;then resistant is justifiied&quot;

What, like &quot;wrinkle-resistant&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;then resistant is justifiied&#8221;</p>
<p>What, like &#8220;wrinkle-resistant&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: comrade</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144855</link>
		<dc:creator>comrade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>109.

      The â€˜resistanceâ€™ which prides itself on killing innocent people. What a nice human being you are. The scum really does come out of the wood work on the I/P conflict!

didn&#039;t take long for the MOSSAD to respond.   

When your house has been occupied by blood thirsty facist vultures then resistant is justifiied</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>109.</p>
<p>      The â€˜resistanceâ€™ which prides itself on killing innocent people. What a nice human being you are. The scum really does come out of the wood work on the I/P conflict!</p>
<p>didn&#8217;t take long for the MOSSAD to respond.   </p>
<p>When your house has been occupied by blood thirsty facist vultures then resistant is justifiied</p>
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144852</link>
		<dc:creator>marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;resistance&#039; which prides itself on killing innocent people. What a nice human being you are. The scum really does come out of the wood work on the I/P conflict!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;resistance&#8217; which prides itself on killing innocent people. What a nice human being you are. The scum really does come out of the wood work on the I/P conflict!</p>
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		<title>By: comrade</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144851</link>
		<dc:creator>comrade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant see the Palestinians ever giving up the right to their freedom, their statehood and their right to go home


NEVER  NEVER  NEVER 

VICTORY TO THE RESISANT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant see the Palestinians ever giving up the right to their freedom, their statehood and their right to go home</p>
<p>NEVER  NEVER  NEVER </p>
<p>VICTORY TO THE RESISANT!</p>
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		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144848</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ra Tanvir! Didn&#039;t I say &quot;Itâ€™s a good blog&quot;?

But why strive for balance, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ra Tanvir! Didn&#8217;t I say &#8220;Itâ€™s a good blog&#8221;?</p>
<p>But why strive for balance, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: tanvir</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144847</link>
		<dc:creator>tanvir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>divert away from the issue then boyo, i would think the disgusting way the Palestinians are treated in their own land, witnessed first hand in the doctor&#039;s blog was more significant that airport issues in that blog....

its the occupation... not about some tourist lying to immigration thats the issue, the occupation is what needs to be addressed, its the people who are waiting to go home who need answers, Israel continues to divert the issue and its suporters continue the whataboutery - we are not blind and the Palestinians will never ever give up. No justice, no peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>divert away from the issue then boyo, i would think the disgusting way the Palestinians are treated in their own land, witnessed first hand in the doctor&#8217;s blog was more significant that airport issues in that blog&#8230;.</p>
<p>its the occupation&#8230; not about some tourist lying to immigration thats the issue, the occupation is what needs to be addressed, its the people who are waiting to go home who need answers, Israel continues to divert the issue and its suporters continue the whataboutery &#8211; we are not blind and the Palestinians will never ever give up. No justice, no peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2664#comment-144843</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chairwoman - &quot;â€˜I will always support the existence of Israel.&quot;

No I didn&#039;t question that. I meant how long will you support Israel in what it does against the West Bank and Gaza?

If this continues then Israel will lose support amongst World Jewry for its actions.

Hence my point that with what is going on in Gaza and the West Bank how long can Israel rely on your support for its policies there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chairwoman &#8211; &#8220;â€˜I will always support the existence of Israel.&#8221;</p>
<p>No I didn&#8217;t question that. I meant how long will you support Israel in what it does against the West Bank and Gaza?</p>
<p>If this continues then Israel will lose support amongst World Jewry for its actions.</p>
<p>Hence my point that with what is going on in Gaza and the West Bank how long can Israel rely on your support for its policies there?</p>
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		<dc:creator>chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will always support the existence of Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will always support the existence of Israel.</p>
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