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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
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		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^ thank god for that. 

i mean forget the anti Muslim stuff, ignore that all together, the rest of it is sh1t too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^ thank god for that. </p>
<p>i mean forget the anti Muslim stuff, ignore that all together, the rest of it is sh1t too.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyburn</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2657/comment-page-1#comment-144553</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/872276/Sun-sales-fall-below-three-million/

The Sun sales drop below 3 million

Maybe people are sick of piss-poor journalism</description>
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<p>The Sun sales drop below 3 million</p>
<p>Maybe people are sick of piss-poor journalism</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2657/comment-page-1#comment-144487</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am satisfied that this journalism will have done more harm to the poison it wants to feed to the public than it can to the muslims. Given the anti-muslim rhetoric has been there now for so long, surely this demonisation will yield very little and may even be counter-productive to journalist&#039;s cause.

The way story could easily unfold in people&#039;s mind is that he is actively targetting muslims as a part of a pro-Israeli media campaign.

The British public are far more astute than the media credits them with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am satisfied that this journalism will have done more harm to the poison it wants to feed to the public than it can to the muslims. Given the anti-muslim rhetoric has been there now for so long, surely this demonisation will yield very little and may even be counter-productive to journalist&#8217;s cause.</p>
<p>The way story could easily unfold in people&#8217;s mind is that he is actively targetting muslims as a part of a pro-Israeli media campaign.</p>
<p>The British public are far more astute than the media credits them with.</p>
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		<title>By: The Common Humanist</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Common Humanist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;Oh and most BNP members are Jewish..wonder why, eh?&quot;&quot;

WTF? Are they heckers like. But maintain whatever fantasies you like to keep you warm at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Oh and most BNP members are Jewish..wonder why, eh?&#8221;"</p>
<p>WTF? Are they heckers like. But maintain whatever fantasies you like to keep you warm at night.</p>
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		<title>By: platinum786</title>
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		<dc:creator>platinum786</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gutter journalism at it&#039;s best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gutter journalism at it&#8217;s best.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2657/comment-page-1#comment-144436</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My whole point behind writing that was to take the piss out of people, especially on Harry’s Place, who post a few anti-semitic comments, and then ask for Muslims to condemn them.&lt;/i&gt;

I see.  I think the &quot;sarcastic&quot; tags would have been a good idea, particularly given your subsequent indication that antisemitic attacks on Jews outside of Israel motivated by what&#039;s happening there are suddenly no longer in keeping with your &quot;editorial direction&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My whole point behind writing that was to take the piss out of people, especially on Harry’s Place, who post a few anti-semitic comments, and then ask for Muslims to condemn them.</i></p>
<p>I see.  I think the &#8220;sarcastic&#8221; tags would have been a good idea, particularly given your subsequent indication that antisemitic attacks on Jews outside of Israel motivated by what&#8217;s happening there are suddenly no longer in keeping with your &#8220;editorial direction&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does the PP jury think of the letter written to the PM by &quot;representatives of Muslim organisations&quot;?  Should it be taken as a veiled threat or am I reading it wrong?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/08/islam-gaza

PS: Isn&#039;t SE a bit of a twat, or am I reading that wrong too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does the PP jury think of the letter written to the PM by &#8220;representatives of Muslim organisations&#8221;?  Should it be taken as a veiled threat or am I reading it wrong?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/08/islam-gaza" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/08/islam-gaza</a></p>
<p>PS: Isn&#8217;t SE a bit of a twat, or am I reading that wrong too?</p>
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		<title>By: Shamit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shamit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny@10 -- f***king brilliant. Wicked</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny@10 &#8212; f***king brilliant. Wicked</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this what &#039;journalism&#039; is reduced to? What worries me is that this is just chucking petrol onto a fire. What kind of person deliberately acts as an agent provocateur? 

[Spell checking agent provocateur takes you to a very different sort of web site, whew!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this what &#8216;journalism&#8217; is reduced to? What worries me is that this is just chucking petrol onto a fire. What kind of person deliberately acts as an agent provocateur? </p>
<p>[Spell checking agent provocateur takes you to a very different sort of web site, whew!]</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I didn’t think Muslims had to prove they weren’t terrorists…&lt;/em&gt;

Tell that to US customs and immigration officials. I haven&#039;t travelled to the USA since 2001 because as a godless muslim, I don&#039;t particularly fancy being stopped, singled out, taken into a smelly little interview room to be probed about my religious tolerance by some sweaty schmuck who thinks the world is 4000 years old, believes dinosaurs and evolution to be man-made lies, wants gays to burn in hell simply because *I* have a muslim name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I didn’t think Muslims had to prove they weren’t terrorists…</em></p>
<p>Tell that to US customs and immigration officials. I haven&#8217;t travelled to the USA since 2001 because as a godless muslim, I don&#8217;t particularly fancy being stopped, singled out, taken into a smelly little interview room to be probed about my religious tolerance by some sweaty schmuck who thinks the world is 4000 years old, believes dinosaurs and evolution to be man-made lies, wants gays to burn in hell simply because *I* have a muslim name.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saying that though katy, the some jewish groups did try that when jonathan sacks spoke out recently... did you see the way they attacked him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saying that though katy, the some jewish groups did try that when jonathan sacks spoke out recently&#8230; did you see the way they attacked him?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you’ve suddenly come to the conclusion that the Jewish community is under an obligation to condemn an article that didn’t appear in a Jewish paper and wasn’t written by a Jewish person?&lt;/i&gt;

See, I was going to put &lt;sarcastic&gt; tags around that&lt;/sarcastic&gt;, but thought it would be too geeky.

My whole point behind writing that was to take the piss out of people, especially on Harry&#039;s Place, who post a few anti-semitic comments, and then ask for Muslims to condemn them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you’ve suddenly come to the conclusion that the Jewish community is under an obligation to condemn an article that didn’t appear in a Jewish paper and wasn’t written by a Jewish person?</i></p>
<p>See, I was going to put &lt;sarcastic> tags around that&lt;/sarcastic>, but thought it would be too geeky.</p>
<p>My whole point behind writing that was to take the piss out of people, especially on Harry&#8217;s Place, who post a few anti-semitic comments, and then ask for Muslims to condemn them.</p>
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		<title>By: Cold Beer</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/2657/comment-page-1#comment-144402</link>
		<dc:creator>Cold Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody can resist two standards for the price of one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody can resist two standards for the price of one!</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Will any Jewish organisation condemn this nastiness written in their name?&lt;/i&gt;

Would you mind explaining to me how, after months of campaigning against the notion that ethnic communities in this country should be held collectively responsible for things that aren&#039;t actually under their control, you&#039;ve suddenly come to the conclusion that the Jewish community is under an obligation to condemn an article that didn&#039;t appear in a Jewish paper and wasn&#039;t written by a Jewish person?

I don&#039;t remember you ever calling on &quot;The Muslim Community&quot; to condemn anything done in their name, ever, and you were right not to, as I always said.

I appreciate that you&#039;ve worked yourself into a state of near-hysteria over the last few days, but it would be nice if you could keep in mind the difference between the State of Israel and the British Jewish community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Will any Jewish organisation condemn this nastiness written in their name?</i></p>
<p>Would you mind explaining to me how, after months of campaigning against the notion that ethnic communities in this country should be held collectively responsible for things that aren&#8217;t actually under their control, you&#8217;ve suddenly come to the conclusion that the Jewish community is under an obligation to condemn an article that didn&#8217;t appear in a Jewish paper and wasn&#8217;t written by a Jewish person?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember you ever calling on &#8220;The Muslim Community&#8221; to condemn anything done in their name, ever, and you were right not to, as I always said.</p>
<p>I appreciate that you&#8217;ve worked yourself into a state of near-hysteria over the last few days, but it would be nice if you could keep in mind the difference between the State of Israel and the British Jewish community.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Sport</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Sport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. 

Marvin - pistols at dawn sir! Get it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. </p>
<p>Marvin &#8211; pistols at dawn sir! Get it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no point trying to be sensible Jamie, marvin&#039;s only interested in waving his dick around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no point trying to be sensible Jamie, marvin&#8217;s only interested in waving his dick around.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Sport</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Sport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;No mention of the the recent surge in anti-semitic attacks then?&#039;

Really? Did you read any of the articles linked to through this very post, all of which emphasise the increase in anti-Semitic attacks over the past couple of months?

A great deal has been made of anti-Jewish sentiment in the newspapers named and the problem that I and others wish to highlight is just how unrelated these issues are. 

The &#039;Abuislam&#039; case reveals the underhanded (and quite possibly illegal) work of a freelance journalist looking to whip up some religious hatred where there is none; Abuislam/Richard Tims tried to create a story out of presumed Islamic fundamentalism, quite regardless of what is taking place in Gaza, and was looking to encourage the contributers to the Ummah  forum into saying something inflammatory, which they didn&#039;t.

The recent surge in anti-Semitic attacks which you describe is real and worrying, but unconnected to the users of Ummah, who are peaceful and responsible Muslims. Painting such people with the same brush as the minority of Muslims who believe it is justified to commit terrorist acts against Isreal is as useful as calling all British people genocidal maniacs because of the crusades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;No mention of the the recent surge in anti-semitic attacks then?&#8217;</p>
<p>Really? Did you read any of the articles linked to through this very post, all of which emphasise the increase in anti-Semitic attacks over the past couple of months?</p>
<p>A great deal has been made of anti-Jewish sentiment in the newspapers named and the problem that I and others wish to highlight is just how unrelated these issues are. </p>
<p>The &#8216;Abuislam&#8217; case reveals the underhanded (and quite possibly illegal) work of a freelance journalist looking to whip up some religious hatred where there is none; Abuislam/Richard Tims tried to create a story out of presumed Islamic fundamentalism, quite regardless of what is taking place in Gaza, and was looking to encourage the contributers to the Ummah  forum into saying something inflammatory, which they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The recent surge in anti-Semitic attacks which you describe is real and worrying, but unconnected to the users of Ummah, who are peaceful and responsible Muslims. Painting such people with the same brush as the minority of Muslims who believe it is justified to commit terrorist acts against Isreal is as useful as calling all British people genocidal maniacs because of the crusades.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just about to contribute to this thread....But I&#039;d now better fuck off elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just about to contribute to this thread&#8230;.But I&#8217;d now better fuck off elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvin:

Thanks for the links. There will be a piece up in about forty minutes on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin:</p>
<p>Thanks for the links. There will be a piece up in about forty minutes on it.</p>
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahaha. I would but it wouldn&#039;t fit on the internet I&#039;m afraid lol

Back to the original article, doesn&#039;t look like they&#039;ve investigated their &#039;facts&#039; very well. But no change there really.. Both sides of the fence majorly guilty of this. They just want to prove the size of their perspicacity :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahaha. I would but it wouldn&#8217;t fit on the internet I&#8217;m afraid lol</p>
<p>Back to the original article, doesn&#8217;t look like they&#8217;ve investigated their &#8216;facts&#8217; very well. But no change there really.. Both sides of the fence majorly guilty of this. They just want to prove the size of their perspicacity <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/dablog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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